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		By: Meerkat :)		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/03/thursday-27-march-1030hrs/#comment-4542</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meerkat :)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Phaedra Giuliani

The Learned Doctorrrrr is jostling for a position of favour since being a Santjan like The Poodle, he knows where the juicy bones are at. Besides, the learned Doctor was one of JM&#039;s endorsers for MEP elections.

By making the ageist jibe that &quot;I think that the new MLP leader should be young (a Methuselah of about 60 and leading till 75 is much too old)&quot; doesn&#039;t realise that Dr Licari is not only insulting The Gonz but also another good friend of his, Varist, who&#039;s not exactly a spring chicken himself.

Incidentally, speaking of Varist, here&#039;s a lovely nugget of information...Apparently it&#039;s not just the Poodle who is a great admirer of other people&#039;s work.

http://confessionsofanatheist.blogspot.com/2007/09/gordon-brown-evarist-bartolo-remix.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Phaedra Giuliani</p>
<p>The Learned Doctorrrrr is jostling for a position of favour since being a Santjan like The Poodle, he knows where the juicy bones are at. Besides, the learned Doctor was one of JM&#8217;s endorsers for MEP elections.</p>
<p>By making the ageist jibe that &#8220;I think that the new MLP leader should be young (a Methuselah of about 60 and leading till 75 is much too old)&#8221; doesn&#8217;t realise that Dr Licari is not only insulting The Gonz but also another good friend of his, Varist, who&#8217;s not exactly a spring chicken himself.</p>
<p>Incidentally, speaking of Varist, here&#8217;s a lovely nugget of information&#8230;Apparently it&#8217;s not just the Poodle who is a great admirer of other people&#8217;s work.</p>
<p><a href="http://confessionsofanatheist.blogspot.com/2007/09/gordon-brown-evarist-bartolo-remix.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://confessionsofanatheist.blogspot.com/2007/09/gordon-brown-evarist-bartolo-remix.html</a></p>
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		By: Phaedra Giuliani		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see, from today&#039;s TOM that Dr Licari has bounced back in fine fettle after the intital trauma he must have surely have suffered at the thumping his beloved MLP had.
He&#039;s back, thank you, spewing his spleen out with spiteful innuendos!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see, from today&#8217;s TOM that Dr Licari has bounced back in fine fettle after the intital trauma he must have surely have suffered at the thumping his beloved MLP had.<br />
He&#8217;s back, thank you, spewing his spleen out with spiteful innuendos!</p>
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		By: Amanda Mallia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda Mallia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Keili - I know.  I&#039;ve heard, too.  My intention was not to mock, but to clarify.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keili &#8211; I know.  I&#8217;ve heard, too.  My intention was not to mock, but to clarify.</p>
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		By: freethinker		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/03/thursday-27-march-1030hrs/#comment-4539</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DCG Re: &quot;Hence, those who were born working-class and through their own hard work acquire a middle-class lifestyle retain a working-class culture and mentality. Their children will be different&quot; and similar comments.  It seems to me there are too many generalizations and too many sweeping statements in these remarks.  I would think it would be better if statements are qualified by the word &quot;some&quot;. I do not know of a single definition of &quot;middle class&quot; and the middle class in one country like England may have a mentality and the middle class in another country may have another mentality.  The mentality of a neo-middle class member and that of another may also differ.  Humans are quite diverse in their reactions and here it is being assumed that individuals of a certain class all have the same attitudes, views, behaviour, social mores and what have you.  Thankfully, human beings are not made in series like mass-produced goods. There are working class persons who are well-behaved, decent and know the intricacies of etiquette - they do not all wear brown shoes with dark suits and gold bracelets on their wrists and speak with an accent. To me some of the arguments being presented here smack of pseudo-science.

Without going into the merits of the Labour leader selection, I think this argument on the so-called working and middle classes is going nowhere.  In my experience, mentalities and attitudes are more the result of the quality of formal education and personal culture acquired by individuals plus the experience acquired through interpersonal relations than a matter of class of origin.  Some of the ideas being expressed here are reminiscent of the immutable caste system existing in India whereby people are born in a social class and can never get out of it because that&#039;s what was ordained by the gods. According to some ideas expressed previously, achievers from the &quot;lower orders&quot; (to use an obnoxious phrase used in earlier posts) have to resign themselves to retaining all the badges of their original class no matter what they achieve in terms of education, financial assets and experience.  This is a biased approach which seems quite shallow to me and it serves no purpose other than that of fostering class rivalry, not to say hatred.  This is not what our country needs.  I will not be surprised if I&#039;m told that I&#039;ve misunderstood the arguments.  Some appear to think that the claim of infallibilty is not a prerogative of the pope alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCG Re: &#8220;Hence, those who were born working-class and through their own hard work acquire a middle-class lifestyle retain a working-class culture and mentality. Their children will be different&#8221; and similar comments.  It seems to me there are too many generalizations and too many sweeping statements in these remarks.  I would think it would be better if statements are qualified by the word &#8220;some&#8221;. I do not know of a single definition of &#8220;middle class&#8221; and the middle class in one country like England may have a mentality and the middle class in another country may have another mentality.  The mentality of a neo-middle class member and that of another may also differ.  Humans are quite diverse in their reactions and here it is being assumed that individuals of a certain class all have the same attitudes, views, behaviour, social mores and what have you.  Thankfully, human beings are not made in series like mass-produced goods. There are working class persons who are well-behaved, decent and know the intricacies of etiquette &#8211; they do not all wear brown shoes with dark suits and gold bracelets on their wrists and speak with an accent. To me some of the arguments being presented here smack of pseudo-science.</p>
<p>Without going into the merits of the Labour leader selection, I think this argument on the so-called working and middle classes is going nowhere.  In my experience, mentalities and attitudes are more the result of the quality of formal education and personal culture acquired by individuals plus the experience acquired through interpersonal relations than a matter of class of origin.  Some of the ideas being expressed here are reminiscent of the immutable caste system existing in India whereby people are born in a social class and can never get out of it because that&#8217;s what was ordained by the gods. According to some ideas expressed previously, achievers from the &#8220;lower orders&#8221; (to use an obnoxious phrase used in earlier posts) have to resign themselves to retaining all the badges of their original class no matter what they achieve in terms of education, financial assets and experience.  This is a biased approach which seems quite shallow to me and it serves no purpose other than that of fostering class rivalry, not to say hatred.  This is not what our country needs.  I will not be surprised if I&#8217;m told that I&#8217;ve misunderstood the arguments.  Some appear to think that the claim of infallibilty is not a prerogative of the pope alone.</p>
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		By: Luke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[During my years at secondary school -at the time I was existing in an incubated &#039;middle-class&#039; vacuum - I thought that only people &#039;like us&#039; ought to lead or were capable of leading. Later on, as I started to pop my head out of that vacuum, my opinion started to change slightly.

I now know a number of people who come from a different background to myself, and yet are extremely capable. Although we probably wouldn&#039;t become best friends, I do feel comfortable with them.

They might not be of middle-class parents or grandparents, but in Daphne&#039;s words they are nonetheless ’normal, rational, reasonable and intelligent&#039;. These are the middle, middle-class people -they have a middle-class mindset but are not of middle-class background.

I think it is unlikely that the MLP will ever elect a middle-class person per se as their leader (in fact, I think it is pretty unlikely that the PN would do so any time soon).

However, I think most people are comfortable with a middle, middle-class person who is ’normal, rational, reasonable and intelligent&#039; - and who doesn&#039;t have the &#039;zghir kontra l-kbir&#039; mentality (or the &#039;int injorant ghax titkellem bl-ingliz u ahna maltin&#039; attitude).

At this point in time, I think that is the sort of person Malta is ready to accept as leader of their country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During my years at secondary school -at the time I was existing in an incubated &#8216;middle-class&#8217; vacuum &#8211; I thought that only people &#8216;like us&#8217; ought to lead or were capable of leading. Later on, as I started to pop my head out of that vacuum, my opinion started to change slightly.</p>
<p>I now know a number of people who come from a different background to myself, and yet are extremely capable. Although we probably wouldn&#8217;t become best friends, I do feel comfortable with them.</p>
<p>They might not be of middle-class parents or grandparents, but in Daphne&#8217;s words they are nonetheless ’normal, rational, reasonable and intelligent&#8217;. These are the middle, middle-class people -they have a middle-class mindset but are not of middle-class background.</p>
<p>I think it is unlikely that the MLP will ever elect a middle-class person per se as their leader (in fact, I think it is pretty unlikely that the PN would do so any time soon).</p>
<p>However, I think most people are comfortable with a middle, middle-class person who is ’normal, rational, reasonable and intelligent&#8217; &#8211; and who doesn&#8217;t have the &#8216;zghir kontra l-kbir&#8217; mentality (or the &#8216;int injorant ghax titkellem bl-ingliz u ahna maltin&#8217; attitude).</p>
<p>At this point in time, I think that is the sort of person Malta is ready to accept as leader of their country.</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@PR - read my words again; they are not a judgement about class because I am not interested in that and I agree with you on this matter. They are a simplified explanation of what drives people and how they think, and why it is important for the Labour Party to have a middle-class leader, because a working-class leader is never going to swing it. This is not a value judgement, but an accurate observation. The Nationalist Party hasn&#039;t had working class leaders not because it is a &#039;middle class party&#039; but because it understands that middle class leaders rope in working class supporters and middle class supporters, but working class leaders rope in only other working class people. I&#039;m not going into the reasons why over here: this is not the place for a lengthy sociological or anthropological explanation. But it&#039;s a fact. The minute people begin &#039;going up in the world&#039; they no longer want to be associated with a working class party.

The pressure for the Labour Party to start leaning more heavily towards the middle classes is not coming from outside, but from within. People who were raised in Labour families, but who have acquired the trappings of the middle classes, want to stay Labour but don&#039;t want to be associated with that kind of working class mentality. They are in a quandary.

The Labour Party can&#039;t shake off the mental shackles of &#039;iz-zghir kontra l-kbir&#039;. While it has been fighting losing battles in the name of The Worker, the Nationalist Party has gone off and spent the last 20 years bettering the worker&#039;s lot. It&#039;s thanks to the Nationalist government that the children of Mintoff&#039;s haddiema are now solidly middle class, with nice jobs, nice houses, nice clothes and nice holidays. Labour&#039;s Robin Hood approach to taxation and punishing is-sinjuri never quite swung it.

I am a strong believer in achievement through merit. That&#039;s why I support the Nationalist Party, which builds its policies on precisely this. I am just pointing out that the Labour Party is not the same way. Its message is consistently defeatist and negative and rife with paranoia. Examine its policies, its stances and the words of its most prominent exponents, and you will see what I mean.

White socks and table manners: this is where I don&#039;t agree with you. These details are extremely telling to me - not about social background but about intelligence. They&#039;re actually a pretty good way of sorting out the intelligent wheat from the far less intelligent chaff. The sharpest people (and I don&#039;t meant &#039;batty professor intelligent&#039;) are acute observers. They will immediately pick up the clues of acceptable dress and proper table manners, and change their own unacceptable ones accordingly. A less intelligent person, on the other hand, will fail to realise that he or she is doing anything wrong, and worse still, might even think that all forms of behaviour at table are acceptable, and likewise brown shoes with a dark suit.

I never fail to be astonished, when at one of the many lunches/dinners etc that I have to go to, how many people don&#039;t know how to use a knife and fork. My immediate judgement about them is that they aren&#039;t sharp enough to realise that they are doing anything wrong, or why it might be in their interest to learn how to use cutlery properly. It&#039;s a good indicator of a person&#039;s IQ. As they say, the devil is all in the detail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PR &#8211; read my words again; they are not a judgement about class because I am not interested in that and I agree with you on this matter. They are a simplified explanation of what drives people and how they think, and why it is important for the Labour Party to have a middle-class leader, because a working-class leader is never going to swing it. This is not a value judgement, but an accurate observation. The Nationalist Party hasn&#8217;t had working class leaders not because it is a &#8216;middle class party&#8217; but because it understands that middle class leaders rope in working class supporters and middle class supporters, but working class leaders rope in only other working class people. I&#8217;m not going into the reasons why over here: this is not the place for a lengthy sociological or anthropological explanation. But it&#8217;s a fact. The minute people begin &#8216;going up in the world&#8217; they no longer want to be associated with a working class party.</p>
<p>The pressure for the Labour Party to start leaning more heavily towards the middle classes is not coming from outside, but from within. People who were raised in Labour families, but who have acquired the trappings of the middle classes, want to stay Labour but don&#8217;t want to be associated with that kind of working class mentality. They are in a quandary.</p>
<p>The Labour Party can&#8217;t shake off the mental shackles of &#8216;iz-zghir kontra l-kbir&#8217;. While it has been fighting losing battles in the name of The Worker, the Nationalist Party has gone off and spent the last 20 years bettering the worker&#8217;s lot. It&#8217;s thanks to the Nationalist government that the children of Mintoff&#8217;s haddiema are now solidly middle class, with nice jobs, nice houses, nice clothes and nice holidays. Labour&#8217;s Robin Hood approach to taxation and punishing is-sinjuri never quite swung it.</p>
<p>I am a strong believer in achievement through merit. That&#8217;s why I support the Nationalist Party, which builds its policies on precisely this. I am just pointing out that the Labour Party is not the same way. Its message is consistently defeatist and negative and rife with paranoia. Examine its policies, its stances and the words of its most prominent exponents, and you will see what I mean.</p>
<p>White socks and table manners: this is where I don&#8217;t agree with you. These details are extremely telling to me &#8211; not about social background but about intelligence. They&#8217;re actually a pretty good way of sorting out the intelligent wheat from the far less intelligent chaff. The sharpest people (and I don&#8217;t meant &#8216;batty professor intelligent&#8217;) are acute observers. They will immediately pick up the clues of acceptable dress and proper table manners, and change their own unacceptable ones accordingly. A less intelligent person, on the other hand, will fail to realise that he or she is doing anything wrong, and worse still, might even think that all forms of behaviour at table are acceptable, and likewise brown shoes with a dark suit.</p>
<p>I never fail to be astonished, when at one of the many lunches/dinners etc that I have to go to, how many people don&#8217;t know how to use a knife and fork. My immediate judgement about them is that they aren&#8217;t sharp enough to realise that they are doing anything wrong, or why it might be in their interest to learn how to use cutlery properly. It&#8217;s a good indicator of a person&#8217;s IQ. As they say, the devil is all in the detail.</p>
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		By: Meerkat :)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meerkat :)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ amrio

Ditto ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ amrio</p>
<p>Ditto ;-)</p>
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		By: Anthony Bugeja		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like Philip Micallef I come from a very labour family and am ashamed to say I even voted Labour in 1987 and 1998. 1996 I did too but this was justified as I wanted to give &quot;New Labour&quot; a try and the presence of Gorg Abela in the trident was a reassurance. However in 2003 I was determined not to let any nostalgia come into the equation. Since then the complete loss of credibilty in AS as a leader made the choice of preferring Gonzi as PM very obviuos. Any leader MLP chooses will be better than AS apart maybe from Anglu Farrugia. However it would be so much easier for us ex-Labourites who have been moved to the middle of the fence to rush back if Gorg Abela is elected. He has that aura about him that makes one trust him - something that of course Gonzi has too. MLP delegates may distrust Gorg Abela because he left MLP when AS lost his way - but this and the fact that he showed his ability to work with the government for the good of the country makes him the best choice. He seems to have no chance but I hope that someone influential in the MLP makes a great speech on the day and swings the pendulum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Philip Micallef I come from a very labour family and am ashamed to say I even voted Labour in 1987 and 1998. 1996 I did too but this was justified as I wanted to give &#8220;New Labour&#8221; a try and the presence of Gorg Abela in the trident was a reassurance. However in 2003 I was determined not to let any nostalgia come into the equation. Since then the complete loss of credibilty in AS as a leader made the choice of preferring Gonzi as PM very obviuos. Any leader MLP chooses will be better than AS apart maybe from Anglu Farrugia. However it would be so much easier for us ex-Labourites who have been moved to the middle of the fence to rush back if Gorg Abela is elected. He has that aura about him that makes one trust him &#8211; something that of course Gonzi has too. MLP delegates may distrust Gorg Abela because he left MLP when AS lost his way &#8211; but this and the fact that he showed his ability to work with the government for the good of the country makes him the best choice. He seems to have no chance but I hope that someone influential in the MLP makes a great speech on the day and swings the pendulum.</p>
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		By: amrio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Meerkat

Please don&#039;t! I don&#039;t take any umbrage at all - you keep me entertained! Please note that all my replies to you are sent with a big grin on my face!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Meerkat</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t! I don&#8217;t take any umbrage at all &#8211; you keep me entertained! Please note that all my replies to you are sent with a big grin on my face!</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daphne Caruana Galizia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Albert Farrugia - would a Labour government increase your bank manager&#039;s salary, or lower the cost of raising a family and buying a house? Hardly. It&#039;s called real life, sir - face up to it. Things cost money. Raising a family costs money. Buying a house costs money. It was the same for our parents. It will be the same for our children. It&#039;s the same all over the world. At least your bank manager isn&#039;t about to have his house repossessed like so many people in the USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Albert Farrugia &#8211; would a Labour government increase your bank manager&#8217;s salary, or lower the cost of raising a family and buying a house? Hardly. It&#8217;s called real life, sir &#8211; face up to it. Things cost money. Raising a family costs money. Buying a house costs money. It was the same for our parents. It will be the same for our children. It&#8217;s the same all over the world. At least your bank manager isn&#8217;t about to have his house repossessed like so many people in the USA.</p>
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