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		By: Peter Muscat		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Muscat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read some valid pro and con points. I suggested a referendum for the simple reason that I believe it is the best democratic action on a subject that has been in discussion nearly half a century.

I strongly believe that legalising divorce gives any individual a democratic and legal option to end a marriage that went wrong.

But the political forces in Malta are terrified in granting such an option.

The less I say the better because I might be accused now of being anti-clerical and non-catholic.

[Moderator - Peter, learn the difference between a positive right and a negative right. Divorce is the former, and therefore beyond question.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read some valid pro and con points. I suggested a referendum for the simple reason that I believe it is the best democratic action on a subject that has been in discussion nearly half a century.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that legalising divorce gives any individual a democratic and legal option to end a marriage that went wrong.</p>
<p>But the political forces in Malta are terrified in granting such an option.</p>
<p>The less I say the better because I might be accused now of being anti-clerical and non-catholic.</p>
<p>[Moderator &#8211; Peter, learn the difference between a positive right and a negative right. Divorce is the former, and therefore beyond question.]</p>
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		By: Corinne Vella		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7750</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corinne Vella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 13:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter Muscat: Why hold a referendum at all? There really is no justification for holding off divorce legislation. The reasoning that it would destroy families is nonsense when you see what families are doing and have done to themselves. Making divorce available doesn&#039;t break down families. Irresponsible and self-centred behaviour does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Muscat: Why hold a referendum at all? There really is no justification for holding off divorce legislation. The reasoning that it would destroy families is nonsense when you see what families are doing and have done to themselves. Making divorce available doesn&#8217;t break down families. Irresponsible and self-centred behaviour does.</p>
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		By: Edward Clemmer		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7749</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clemmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Peter Muscat
&quot;Anyone who can afford the expenses involved can have a marriage dissolved by the church....Once again any person who can afford, can get divorced abroad....It is a question of bucks isn’t it?&quot;

Not exactly: You&#039;ve mixed apples and oranges here.  Financially, I could afford neither, but the payout was made the same.  The divorce from abroad was expensive, along with its unimaginably huge child support.  I have a divorce, but no money.  The monies pertaining to the church annulment were practically nothing.  And, yes, my annulment case was determined outside of Malta, too, where the rules of church jurisdiction applied.  The annulment was granted, too.

Money has nothing to do with it, especially if you can resign yourself to not having any left after a divorce.

But, there are certain potential advantages regarding making a case for a church annulment.   The marriage tribunal in Malta was very, very helpful in my case; and I was very knowledgeable of the process, both because of my personal knowledge of others going through the process and because of my professional knowledge (in social work and in psychology) regarding the function and procedures of marriage tribunals.  Knowing this, and with my own personal analytical insights, I also kept a clear focus on the requirements for a case to be successful.  The basis for a church annulment is amply clear.  And the judgement of the Church was consistent with my arguments, evidently.

There may be disadvantages for the processes of church annulments for Maltese, for marriages made in Malta.  First of all, not everyone is blessed with the skills and insights to present their case properly.  It is also possible that persons may not well understand what the valid criteria are and what that means in relationship to their personal case.  And, there is not likely the option to file for annulment outside of Malta, where tribunals are more experienced and where they have access to sufficient and quality professional resources.  This is not to say that the Malta tribunals are not good; my experience with them suggests a very high quality.  But it may be hard to provide and find sufficient resources for individuals to present appropriate cases.

The rates for church annulments in Malta seem to be lower than in the US experience.  The lower rates, perhaps twice lower [I no longer have the relevant data] suggest two possibilities: (1) harsher criteria or more critical judgements, or (2) cases prepared and submitted on an inappropriate or unsubstantiated basis.  However, since the criteria are universal and the evalutions of the tribunal are likely up to standard in Malta, I would argue that the second possibility is the more likely situation.

There may be various cultural factors operating in Malta that render annulment cases relatively unsuccessful.  I am not going to try to argue those possibilities here.  I do believe that the culture of marriage preparation in Malta is insufficient.  And there seems to be a much too early pairing of couples before they have had an opportunity to understand themselves, let alone explore a wider range of relationships, leading to a more mature commitment.  Far too many people enter into marriage, immaturely, without understanding the true nature of its commitments--but that happens the world over, not just in Malta.  But Malta may have its special difficulties, especially when marriages are defined by social status and financial factors, and by cultural expectations putting pressure on persons to marry.

People may marry for the bucks; and some divorce for the bucks; but a church annulment is not obtained by money.  More professionals to assist tribunal cases may help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Muscat<br />
&#8220;Anyone who can afford the expenses involved can have a marriage dissolved by the church&#8230;.Once again any person who can afford, can get divorced abroad&#8230;.It is a question of bucks isn’t it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not exactly: You&#8217;ve mixed apples and oranges here.  Financially, I could afford neither, but the payout was made the same.  The divorce from abroad was expensive, along with its unimaginably huge child support.  I have a divorce, but no money.  The monies pertaining to the church annulment were practically nothing.  And, yes, my annulment case was determined outside of Malta, too, where the rules of church jurisdiction applied.  The annulment was granted, too.</p>
<p>Money has nothing to do with it, especially if you can resign yourself to not having any left after a divorce.</p>
<p>But, there are certain potential advantages regarding making a case for a church annulment.   The marriage tribunal in Malta was very, very helpful in my case; and I was very knowledgeable of the process, both because of my personal knowledge of others going through the process and because of my professional knowledge (in social work and in psychology) regarding the function and procedures of marriage tribunals.  Knowing this, and with my own personal analytical insights, I also kept a clear focus on the requirements for a case to be successful.  The basis for a church annulment is amply clear.  And the judgement of the Church was consistent with my arguments, evidently.</p>
<p>There may be disadvantages for the processes of church annulments for Maltese, for marriages made in Malta.  First of all, not everyone is blessed with the skills and insights to present their case properly.  It is also possible that persons may not well understand what the valid criteria are and what that means in relationship to their personal case.  And, there is not likely the option to file for annulment outside of Malta, where tribunals are more experienced and where they have access to sufficient and quality professional resources.  This is not to say that the Malta tribunals are not good; my experience with them suggests a very high quality.  But it may be hard to provide and find sufficient resources for individuals to present appropriate cases.</p>
<p>The rates for church annulments in Malta seem to be lower than in the US experience.  The lower rates, perhaps twice lower [I no longer have the relevant data] suggest two possibilities: (1) harsher criteria or more critical judgements, or (2) cases prepared and submitted on an inappropriate or unsubstantiated basis.  However, since the criteria are universal and the evalutions of the tribunal are likely up to standard in Malta, I would argue that the second possibility is the more likely situation.</p>
<p>There may be various cultural factors operating in Malta that render annulment cases relatively unsuccessful.  I am not going to try to argue those possibilities here.  I do believe that the culture of marriage preparation in Malta is insufficient.  And there seems to be a much too early pairing of couples before they have had an opportunity to understand themselves, let alone explore a wider range of relationships, leading to a more mature commitment.  Far too many people enter into marriage, immaturely, without understanding the true nature of its commitments&#8211;but that happens the world over, not just in Malta.  But Malta may have its special difficulties, especially when marriages are defined by social status and financial factors, and by cultural expectations putting pressure on persons to marry.</p>
<p>People may marry for the bucks; and some divorce for the bucks; but a church annulment is not obtained by money.  More professionals to assist tribunal cases may help.</p>
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		By: Vanni		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7748</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 10:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Peter Muscat
Referenda are the most democratic of tools, in a normal environment. The problem is that this is not a normal environment here. Why? Simple, the majority would impose their fears and hypocrisy on others. The Maltese are unfortunately not sophisticated enough to see beyond their parochial noses. They do not reason out that whilst their marriage may (or at least appear to be) safe, but there may be others who are not so lucky. The reasoning would be more along the lines &quot;The Church says NO&quot;, Or &quot;Le ta, ma jmurx jahrabli r-ragel jew il-mara&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Peter Muscat<br />
Referenda are the most democratic of tools, in a normal environment. The problem is that this is not a normal environment here. Why? Simple, the majority would impose their fears and hypocrisy on others. The Maltese are unfortunately not sophisticated enough to see beyond their parochial noses. They do not reason out that whilst their marriage may (or at least appear to be) safe, but there may be others who are not so lucky. The reasoning would be more along the lines &#8220;The Church says NO&#8221;, Or &#8220;Le ta, ma jmurx jahrabli r-ragel jew il-mara&#8221;</p>
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		By: Peter Muscat		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7747</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Muscat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 06:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apologies mates and thanks @ Moderator.

I&#039;ll keep to the subject as much as possible, as moderator rightly asked me to.

Anyone who can afford the expenses involved can have a marriage dissolved by the church.And the more you have contacts at the &#039;church court&#039; the easier it is.

Though I hate writing on the subject of &#039;divorce in Malta&#039;,I simple say that a referendum should be held on the subject and let the majority decide.But even such a democratic step will never be taken by any administration which is terrified of the power of the church.

Once again any person who can afford,  can get divorced abroad. That in return is legally accepted in Malta.

It is a question of bucks isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies mates and thanks @ Moderator.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep to the subject as much as possible, as moderator rightly asked me to.</p>
<p>Anyone who can afford the expenses involved can have a marriage dissolved by the church.And the more you have contacts at the &#8216;church court&#8217; the easier it is.</p>
<p>Though I hate writing on the subject of &#8216;divorce in Malta&#8217;,I simple say that a referendum should be held on the subject and let the majority decide.But even such a democratic step will never be taken by any administration which is terrified of the power of the church.</p>
<p>Once again any person who can afford,  can get divorced abroad. That in return is legally accepted in Malta.</p>
<p>It is a question of bucks isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: Edward Clemmer		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clemmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@freethinker
&quot;a small offence against logic&quot;

Actually, I think there is an agreement on our logic; the offensive logic rests with the State.

Yes, divorce is recognized from abroad by the State of Malta; but the offense is that it does not recognize divorce for its own citizens in Malta (nor does it grant divorce to foreign citizens who would like to seek a divorce through Malta&#039;s courts, although the foreign citizen may seek such a divorce from his/her own ex-patriate country).

It seems that Malta regards marriage as indissoluable FROM MALTA.  In this way, the government mimics the church.  The hypocrisy is that Malta recognizes that marriage is dissoluable, but is not disolved from its courts.

Malta, however, does regard the possibility of marriages being invalid, and it does grant civil annulments.  One cannot dissolve an invalid marriage, just recognize that it was not a valid marriage.  In this concept, the Malta State and the church are in agreement, although their criteria may differ, and jurisdiction is separate.

The Pauline privlege is an interesting case where legitimate marriages are invalidated by the church.  There seems to be a theological logic (of mercy) behind the privlege.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@freethinker<br />
&#8220;a small offence against logic&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I think there is an agreement on our logic; the offensive logic rests with the State.</p>
<p>Yes, divorce is recognized from abroad by the State of Malta; but the offense is that it does not recognize divorce for its own citizens in Malta (nor does it grant divorce to foreign citizens who would like to seek a divorce through Malta&#8217;s courts, although the foreign citizen may seek such a divorce from his/her own ex-patriate country).</p>
<p>It seems that Malta regards marriage as indissoluable FROM MALTA.  In this way, the government mimics the church.  The hypocrisy is that Malta recognizes that marriage is dissoluable, but is not disolved from its courts.</p>
<p>Malta, however, does regard the possibility of marriages being invalid, and it does grant civil annulments.  One cannot dissolve an invalid marriage, just recognize that it was not a valid marriage.  In this concept, the Malta State and the church are in agreement, although their criteria may differ, and jurisdiction is separate.</p>
<p>The Pauline privlege is an interesting case where legitimate marriages are invalidated by the church.  There seems to be a theological logic (of mercy) behind the privlege.</p>
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		By: Vanni		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/04/the-mullahs-from-malta/#comment-7745</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Peter Muscat
Put up, or shut it.  You are beginning to sound like those old women who hang around in street corners, each saying to each other &quot;Allahares nitkellem jien, ghax aqta x&#039;jigri kieku.&quot; If you have something to say, say it, if not silly innuendos, hot tangos, etc etc have no place here. You may have your views about what happened in the past, and you are welcome to them, but unless you bare all, don&#039;t bother. This is not a striptease club, where you titillate the patrons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Muscat<br />
Put up, or shut it.  You are beginning to sound like those old women who hang around in street corners, each saying to each other &#8220;Allahares nitkellem jien, ghax aqta x&#8217;jigri kieku.&#8221; If you have something to say, say it, if not silly innuendos, hot tangos, etc etc have no place here. You may have your views about what happened in the past, and you are welcome to them, but unless you bare all, don&#8217;t bother. This is not a striptease club, where you titillate the patrons.</p>
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		By: Guzeppi Grech		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guzeppi Grech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is people like Peter Muscat who, unfairly, give university graduates and MLP supporters a bad name.

Is it so hard to type in correctly spelled words?

To make a typo now and then is normal. To consistently spell simpe words wrong and use horrible grammar is what&#039;s atrocious (and that is how to spell the damn word).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is people like Peter Muscat who, unfairly, give university graduates and MLP supporters a bad name.</p>
<p>Is it so hard to type in correctly spelled words?</p>
<p>To make a typo now and then is normal. To consistently spell simpe words wrong and use horrible grammar is what&#8217;s atrocious (and that is how to spell the damn word).</p>
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		By: Paul Caruana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Caruana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Peter Muscat. You say you &quot;Go for FACTS!&quot; but in post after post you get the year the infamous 1981 election wrong. It&#039;s hard to take you seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Muscat. You say you &#8220;Go for FACTS!&#8221; but in post after post you get the year the infamous 1981 election wrong. It&#8217;s hard to take you seriously.</p>
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		By: me		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not have to interview anybody about Rabat, Floriana, tal-Barrani etc.  I was there. Stop writing drivel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not have to interview anybody about Rabat, Floriana, tal-Barrani etc.  I was there. Stop writing drivel.</p>
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