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		By: Peter Muscat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Muscat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[D Day for MLP is getting closer. New indications shows that Daphne&#039;s favourite is leading the pack.Constant whispers indicate JM might make it on first ballot.

Let us not forget that he publicly said that he would also embrace Daphne, of course, if she is willing.Might be very interesting.I prepared 101 comments on such a &#039;historical scene&#039;. No joke!

 We shall wait and see!

[Moderator - I can&#039;t wait to read them.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D Day for MLP is getting closer. New indications shows that Daphne&#8217;s favourite is leading the pack.Constant whispers indicate JM might make it on first ballot.</p>
<p>Let us not forget that he publicly said that he would also embrace Daphne, of course, if she is willing.Might be very interesting.I prepared 101 comments on such a &#8216;historical scene&#8217;. No joke!</p>
<p> We shall wait and see!</p>
<p>[Moderator &#8211; I can&#8217;t wait to read them.]</p>
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		By: marika mifsud		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 05:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If MLP were deciding which tender to accept for the running of the canteen - that would be a purely internal matter.
Maybe even the appointment of a Sec. General.
But surely the choice of a possible new PM affects everyone here in Malta.  After all it wasn`t only those who voted for AS as party leader who had to live under his Premiership.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If MLP were deciding which tender to accept for the running of the canteen &#8211; that would be a purely internal matter.<br />
Maybe even the appointment of a Sec. General.<br />
But surely the choice of a possible new PM affects everyone here in Malta.  After all it wasn`t only those who voted for AS as party leader who had to live under his Premiership.</p>
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		By: Steve Grech		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Grech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The MLP are in a mess, they can&#039;t even run their own bedroom, how can you or anyone else believe that they are capable of running the house?

Ofcourse Albert, you believe that with labour the only way is up. Why would you believe the scaremongering, your so smart and intelligent...
The MLP is a joke, and each day that passes by keeps showing us just that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MLP are in a mess, they can&#8217;t even run their own bedroom, how can you or anyone else believe that they are capable of running the house?</p>
<p>Ofcourse Albert, you believe that with labour the only way is up. Why would you believe the scaremongering, your so smart and intelligent&#8230;<br />
The MLP is a joke, and each day that passes by keeps showing us just that.</p>
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		By: europarl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[europarl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Alex - Yes, there is a clear cut delineation between an economic and a political union. The fact that it is not easy to achieve is due to greed for power and control - and nations of sheep (yes the stuff of conspiracy theorists - unfortunately conspiracy is all that conglomerates, governments and their executives do).

Again you mention extremism. You mean &#039;fringe&#039;, perhaps? My views are definitely not mainstream, but extremist? Our critical views of the Union are based on sound historical, democratic and legal arguments, unlike the nauseating rhetoric of the europhiles. Just see what the Yes campaign in Ireland are saying - it&#039;s all gong and no dinner. They put up shows, not debates and conferences.

But there are good signs. The younger generations are waking up to the hidden truths. At last!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alex &#8211; Yes, there is a clear cut delineation between an economic and a political union. The fact that it is not easy to achieve is due to greed for power and control &#8211; and nations of sheep (yes the stuff of conspiracy theorists &#8211; unfortunately conspiracy is all that conglomerates, governments and their executives do).</p>
<p>Again you mention extremism. You mean &#8216;fringe&#8217;, perhaps? My views are definitely not mainstream, but extremist? Our critical views of the Union are based on sound historical, democratic and legal arguments, unlike the nauseating rhetoric of the europhiles. Just see what the Yes campaign in Ireland are saying &#8211; it&#8217;s all gong and no dinner. They put up shows, not debates and conferences.</p>
<p>But there are good signs. The younger generations are waking up to the hidden truths. At last!</p>
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		By: europarl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[europarl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ MikeC - My intentions are not to steer you away from your favourite debating themes, let alone change focus. That would be both boring and un-Daphnelike.

As for earning money for going against the political grain, there is nothing wrong in that. Better than being a lazy mainstream sucker who wants fame and money for nothing. Otherwise, if acting &quot;without deriving any income out of it, sacrificing ones career, family, prospects of untold riches etc,&quot; is your idea of &quot;what history’s great heroes are made of,&quot; then I wouldn&#039;t be your kind of hero.  But I suspect you meant martyrs. There may be a fine line between a hero and a martyr, but when heroes are losers they are called martyrs.

And No, I don&#039;t support Labour, not anymore for some time now. You must have missed my earlier missives. (I don&#039;t support PN, either.) I am not as worried as you are about having another &quot;New Labour&quot; to administer the EU &quot;state&quot; of Malta, for Local Government is all we have today and with Lisbon it would eventually become Local Administration - and I&#039;m not the type to act local.

So tell me, yellow sticker, tin foil, sarko and all, would you prefer Ireland to reject the treaty? Or do you simply don&#039;t care enough to have a preference?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MikeC &#8211; My intentions are not to steer you away from your favourite debating themes, let alone change focus. That would be both boring and un-Daphnelike.</p>
<p>As for earning money for going against the political grain, there is nothing wrong in that. Better than being a lazy mainstream sucker who wants fame and money for nothing. Otherwise, if acting &#8220;without deriving any income out of it, sacrificing ones career, family, prospects of untold riches etc,&#8221; is your idea of &#8220;what history’s great heroes are made of,&#8221; then I wouldn&#8217;t be your kind of hero.  But I suspect you meant martyrs. There may be a fine line between a hero and a martyr, but when heroes are losers they are called martyrs.</p>
<p>And No, I don&#8217;t support Labour, not anymore for some time now. You must have missed my earlier missives. (I don&#8217;t support PN, either.) I am not as worried as you are about having another &#8220;New Labour&#8221; to administer the EU &#8220;state&#8221; of Malta, for Local Government is all we have today and with Lisbon it would eventually become Local Administration &#8211; and I&#8217;m not the type to act local.</p>
<p>So tell me, yellow sticker, tin foil, sarko and all, would you prefer Ireland to reject the treaty? Or do you simply don&#8217;t care enough to have a preference?</p>
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		By: Albert Farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Albert Farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Steve Grech
Of course I am responsible for my own welfare. And everyone is. That is why I did not believe the scaremongering before the elections about the MLP.
The PN government is irrelevant anyway, hux hekk?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Grech<br />
Of course I am responsible for my own welfare. And everyone is. That is why I did not believe the scaremongering before the elections about the MLP.<br />
The PN government is irrelevant anyway, hux hekk?</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ europarl

Well done for your achievments, and thanks for the effort you put in this cause.

You know better than me that there is no clear cut between an economic or better monetary union to a political one, they overlap and in my opinion you can not make full potential use of the monetary union unless you have common rules that dig deep in political matters.

And again reducing your extremsim will benefit your cause a great deal, you can not compare the American with the Nazi system. And no, I am not an american fan, quite the opposite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ europarl</p>
<p>Well done for your achievments, and thanks for the effort you put in this cause.</p>
<p>You know better than me that there is no clear cut between an economic or better monetary union to a political one, they overlap and in my opinion you can not make full potential use of the monetary union unless you have common rules that dig deep in political matters.</p>
<p>And again reducing your extremsim will benefit your cause a great deal, you can not compare the American with the Nazi system. And no, I am not an american fan, quite the opposite.</p>
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		By: christopher		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[christopher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Peter.
Taxpayers are NOT paying Peppi. Peppi is raking the money in for TVM. It is the channel&#039;s most profitable programme. Check your facts mate. There&#039;s no subsidy involved. Quite the opposite.
But hey, what am i saying? Peter Muscat checking facts? Isn&#039;t he the oracle who announced a snap election before Christmas?

And even if it was taxpayer&#039;s money, does that mean that TVM should not cover political issues?

I am so amazed at the MLP. Other partied would havgive their eye teeth to have two hours of the most popular show in town in which to explain  how new, exciting, transparent, dynamic, flexible, ready and willing to change and listen, and united they are. And how the other side is old,immature, wasted,lacking ideas, etc. Instead this lot insist in scoring own goals. First they allow the candidates to speak to the media. then they say no, then, after an out cry, they reverse that decision. And so on and so forth. But hey they have Media Guru Jason to help them out.

Wasn&#039;t one of the main functiuons of a party to prepare, strategise and take part in elections. But this lot can&#039;t organise a piss-up in a brewery let alone an election that will influence their fate for the next five years and impress the electorate watching.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Peter.<br />
Taxpayers are NOT paying Peppi. Peppi is raking the money in for TVM. It is the channel&#8217;s most profitable programme. Check your facts mate. There&#8217;s no subsidy involved. Quite the opposite.<br />
But hey, what am i saying? Peter Muscat checking facts? Isn&#8217;t he the oracle who announced a snap election before Christmas?</p>
<p>And even if it was taxpayer&#8217;s money, does that mean that TVM should not cover political issues?</p>
<p>I am so amazed at the MLP. Other partied would havgive their eye teeth to have two hours of the most popular show in town in which to explain  how new, exciting, transparent, dynamic, flexible, ready and willing to change and listen, and united they are. And how the other side is old,immature, wasted,lacking ideas, etc. Instead this lot insist in scoring own goals. First they allow the candidates to speak to the media. then they say no, then, after an out cry, they reverse that decision. And so on and so forth. But hey they have Media Guru Jason to help them out.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t one of the main functiuons of a party to prepare, strategise and take part in elections. But this lot can&#8217;t organise a piss-up in a brewery let alone an election that will influence their fate for the next five years and impress the electorate watching.</p>
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		By: Steve Grech		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Grech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s your problem Alex, &quot;the PN government as far as I know is the governemnt of the North, the South, the East and the West, and is responsible for the welfare of all of Malta&quot;

The government should not be responsible for your welfare, you should be responsible of your welfare and no one else]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s your problem Alex, &#8220;the PN government as far as I know is the governemnt of the North, the South, the East and the West, and is responsible for the welfare of all of Malta&#8221;</p>
<p>The government should not be responsible for your welfare, you should be responsible of your welfare and no one else</p>
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		By: MikeC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@europarl

You mean you lived in Malta under Dom &#038; KMB in the eighties? That makes a lot of us with your insight.

Like others, I couldn&#039;t be bothered to read the treaty. I don&#039;t really care. To be honest, I am a little miffed, because when I voted to join the EU under a certain set of conditions, I assumed that I would be able to vote again if those conditions changed. Even if my vote had little value in the scheme of things, ie a voting body of 500 million. But at least I COULD vote.

But then I thought about it a little more, and remembered WHY I voted in favour of joining  the EU in the first place, a socialist organisation if ever there was one. The fact of the matter is that with most of our economy depending on the EU it was a case of force majeure. We ALREADY were subject to the EU&#039;s whims, whether we liked it or not.

So why throw away an opportunity to influence proceedings in a manner disproportionate to our population size? However small that influence may be? Something is always better than nothing. And get some money out of them at the same time? I know we&#039;ll be a net contributor one day, but that means we&#039;ll have improved our economy enough to do so, so I&#039;m not bothered.

Now if at the same time some kindly soul can stand guard against the erosion, real or perceived, of our civil liberties I&#039;m grateful. Of course I&#039;ll not only be grateful, I&#039;ll also be seriously impressed if this is done at personal cost, without deriving any income out of it, sacrificing ones career, family, prospects of untold riches etc, because that’s what history&#039;s great heroes are made of.

Of course if those defending our civil liberties give the rest of the world the impression that they spend a great deal of time scrabbling on their hands and knees looking for their marbles, then they trivialise the issues that they raise, even if those issues are real, and they&#039;re actually doing us a disservice, and I&#039;m not happy about that at all.

In the meantime, we will continue to debate the goings on on the other side of the molehill, as you put it. Now from the height of your wisdom, a couple of millimetres under the tinfoil, it might appear trivial to you. But the thing is that certain countries (Greece springs to mind) have not made much of a success of EU accession, and that can be ascribed to the incompetent goverments they&#039;ve had.

Now you can say what you like about the PN, but in terms of competency, in comparison to the MLP its like comparing BMW with LADA. (@Peter Muscat - not racism, simply observing facts). So it is in all our interests that (a) there is a substitute for the PN (b) that the substitute is viable.

If the MLP goal remains that of obtaining power &#039;imbghad naraw&#039; instead of that of creating a viable, successful alternative government, then we&#039;re all badly screwed.

So if you don&#039;t mind, we&#039;ll let you get on with making sure Brussels doesn&#039;t feed us to the little green men, and we&#039;ll get on with discussing the issues which we think are important, and which interest us.

Think of my post as a yellow Jehovah Witness&#039; sticker. You know the one people stick under their doorbells.  If you really want to discuss the end of the world brought about by Brussels, I suggest you set up a local (I imagine there are lots out there) blog about it. I&#039;m sure the server will be overwhelmed with posts.

And before you start whining about my trying to curtail your freedom of speech, I’m not suggesting the moderator should censor your attempts to bore us, simply that if the topic is the MLP and the concept of free speech, an oxymoron (@Peter Muscat – I’m not saying labourites are morons, look up the word oxymoron before attacking) if ever there was one, lets stick to that rather attempting to steer it off to Brussels.

Otherwise I’m going to come to the following conclusion. You believe the Labour Party does not support freedom of speech. You support the Labour party. You are ashamed that the Labour party does not believe in freedom of speech. You are intelligent enough to understand that there is no real defense against that argument because its the truth. You prefer to change the subject instead of refuting the unrefutable. Who knows? Am I right? :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@europarl</p>
<p>You mean you lived in Malta under Dom &amp; KMB in the eighties? That makes a lot of us with your insight.</p>
<p>Like others, I couldn&#8217;t be bothered to read the treaty. I don&#8217;t really care. To be honest, I am a little miffed, because when I voted to join the EU under a certain set of conditions, I assumed that I would be able to vote again if those conditions changed. Even if my vote had little value in the scheme of things, ie a voting body of 500 million. But at least I COULD vote.</p>
<p>But then I thought about it a little more, and remembered WHY I voted in favour of joining  the EU in the first place, a socialist organisation if ever there was one. The fact of the matter is that with most of our economy depending on the EU it was a case of force majeure. We ALREADY were subject to the EU&#8217;s whims, whether we liked it or not.</p>
<p>So why throw away an opportunity to influence proceedings in a manner disproportionate to our population size? However small that influence may be? Something is always better than nothing. And get some money out of them at the same time? I know we&#8217;ll be a net contributor one day, but that means we&#8217;ll have improved our economy enough to do so, so I&#8217;m not bothered.</p>
<p>Now if at the same time some kindly soul can stand guard against the erosion, real or perceived, of our civil liberties I&#8217;m grateful. Of course I&#8217;ll not only be grateful, I&#8217;ll also be seriously impressed if this is done at personal cost, without deriving any income out of it, sacrificing ones career, family, prospects of untold riches etc, because that’s what history&#8217;s great heroes are made of.</p>
<p>Of course if those defending our civil liberties give the rest of the world the impression that they spend a great deal of time scrabbling on their hands and knees looking for their marbles, then they trivialise the issues that they raise, even if those issues are real, and they&#8217;re actually doing us a disservice, and I&#8217;m not happy about that at all.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we will continue to debate the goings on on the other side of the molehill, as you put it. Now from the height of your wisdom, a couple of millimetres under the tinfoil, it might appear trivial to you. But the thing is that certain countries (Greece springs to mind) have not made much of a success of EU accession, and that can be ascribed to the incompetent goverments they&#8217;ve had.</p>
<p>Now you can say what you like about the PN, but in terms of competency, in comparison to the MLP its like comparing BMW with LADA. (@Peter Muscat &#8211; not racism, simply observing facts). So it is in all our interests that (a) there is a substitute for the PN (b) that the substitute is viable.</p>
<p>If the MLP goal remains that of obtaining power &#8216;imbghad naraw&#8217; instead of that of creating a viable, successful alternative government, then we&#8217;re all badly screwed.</p>
<p>So if you don&#8217;t mind, we&#8217;ll let you get on with making sure Brussels doesn&#8217;t feed us to the little green men, and we&#8217;ll get on with discussing the issues which we think are important, and which interest us.</p>
<p>Think of my post as a yellow Jehovah Witness&#8217; sticker. You know the one people stick under their doorbells.  If you really want to discuss the end of the world brought about by Brussels, I suggest you set up a local (I imagine there are lots out there) blog about it. I&#8217;m sure the server will be overwhelmed with posts.</p>
<p>And before you start whining about my trying to curtail your freedom of speech, I’m not suggesting the moderator should censor your attempts to bore us, simply that if the topic is the MLP and the concept of free speech, an oxymoron (@Peter Muscat – I’m not saying labourites are morons, look up the word oxymoron before attacking) if ever there was one, lets stick to that rather attempting to steer it off to Brussels.</p>
<p>Otherwise I’m going to come to the following conclusion. You believe the Labour Party does not support freedom of speech. You support the Labour party. You are ashamed that the Labour party does not believe in freedom of speech. You are intelligent enough to understand that there is no real defense against that argument because its the truth. You prefer to change the subject instead of refuting the unrefutable. Who knows? Am I right? :)</p>
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