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		By: Lino Cert		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15028</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Kenneth Cassar
I see religion as a pyramid, with a large base consisting of the law-abiding church-goers providing support for the apex of the pyramid that consists of dangerous fundamentalists. Unfortunately the extremists at the top of the pyramid are highly motivated and organised, and so the only way of bringing down this pyramid is to hack at the base and hope it will eventually topple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kenneth Cassar<br />
I see religion as a pyramid, with a large base consisting of the law-abiding church-goers providing support for the apex of the pyramid that consists of dangerous fundamentalists. Unfortunately the extremists at the top of the pyramid are highly motivated and organised, and so the only way of bringing down this pyramid is to hack at the base and hope it will eventually topple.</p>
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		By: Kenneth Cassar		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Cassar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome, Lino.

The trouble in this age of easily obtainable WMDs, is that religious extremists cannot be dismissed as just crazies, but should be seen as a very serious threat.

Moreover, the religious moderates who claim that when reason conflicts with revelation we should choose revelation, would unknowingly be justifying the actions of the extremists.  If there&#039;s anything true about fundamentalists, it is that they know their religious texts only too well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Lino.</p>
<p>The trouble in this age of easily obtainable WMDs, is that religious extremists cannot be dismissed as just crazies, but should be seen as a very serious threat.</p>
<p>Moreover, the religious moderates who claim that when reason conflicts with revelation we should choose revelation, would unknowingly be justifying the actions of the extremists.  If there&#8217;s anything true about fundamentalists, it is that they know their religious texts only too well.</p>
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		By: Lino Cert		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15026</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[thanks for the tip, I downloaded this book for free on http://rs287.rapidshare.com/files/74699023/Sam.Harris.-.The.End.of.Faith.pdf
What I found interesting was the proposition that a religion that manages to persuade a sufficient number of its own followers that there is a reward after death for self-destruction may well result in a massive scale of self-destruction that may wipe out not only believers, but also non-believers. To those sceptical followers of this blog may I just remind that the events of 09/11 came quite close to setting off one such  devestating chain of events.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the tip, I downloaded this book for free on <a href="http://rs287.rapidshare.com/files/74699023/Sam.Harris.-.The.End.of.Faith.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://rs287.rapidshare.com/files/74699023/Sam.Harris.-.The.End.of.Faith.pdf</a><br />
What I found interesting was the proposition that a religion that manages to persuade a sufficient number of its own followers that there is a reward after death for self-destruction may well result in a massive scale of self-destruction that may wipe out not only believers, but also non-believers. To those sceptical followers of this blog may I just remind that the events of 09/11 came quite close to setting off one such  devestating chain of events.</p>
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		By: Kenneth Cassar		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15025</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Cassar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Lino Cert:

If &quot;major wars break out between opposing factions , eg between Christians and Moslems, with...chemical and nuclear warfare&quot;, the probable outcome would be that everyone would be wiped out, not just humans with the &quot;God gene&quot;.

May I here suggest another book which deals on the point you mention?  (Sam Harris – The end of faith (Religion, terror, and the future of reason).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lino Cert:</p>
<p>If &#8220;major wars break out between opposing factions , eg between Christians and Moslems, with&#8230;chemical and nuclear warfare&#8221;, the probable outcome would be that everyone would be wiped out, not just humans with the &#8220;God gene&#8221;.</p>
<p>May I here suggest another book which deals on the point you mention?  (Sam Harris – The end of faith (Religion, terror, and the future of reason).</p>
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		By: Lino Cert		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15024</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Kenneth Cassar

&quot; Also, for a gene/trait to be wiped out, not only has it to confer huge disadvnatages, but its allele has to confer huge advantages&quot;

The God gene trait does not, at the moment , confer any significant advantages, but it does&#039;t take much imagination to foresee a future where major wars break out between opposing factions , eg between Christians and Moslems, with the type of chemical and nuclear warfare that would be available within a few hundred years it would be quite plausible to suggest that most religious factions would wipe each other out, or that that secular societites would predominate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kenneth Cassar</p>
<p>&#8221; Also, for a gene/trait to be wiped out, not only has it to confer huge disadvnatages, but its allele has to confer huge advantages&#8221;</p>
<p>The God gene trait does not, at the moment , confer any significant advantages, but it does&#8217;t take much imagination to foresee a future where major wars break out between opposing factions , eg between Christians and Moslems, with the type of chemical and nuclear warfare that would be available within a few hundred years it would be quite plausible to suggest that most religious factions would wipe each other out, or that that secular societites would predominate.</p>
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		By: Kenneth Cassar		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15023</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll have to agree with Antoine here.  Even if there is a &quot;God gene&quot; (and this theory is very much misunderstood - if &quot;God gene/s&quot; exists at all, &quot;it&quot; would not actually be a &quot;God&quot; gene at all, but a gene/s that makes people susceptible (no negative connotation intended) to belief in the supernatural (including of course, an afterlife).  Of course, I would say that this is all theory, but Daniel C. Dennett&#039;s &quot;Breaking the Spell - Religion as a natural phenomenon&quot; would be worth a read for anyone interested.

Regarding such a gene/s (if it exists at all) being wiped out, once again, Antoine is correct here.  If it exists at all, it would seem likely that the majority of humans have it (I would actually say that most atheists would probably have it as well).  Therefore, I find the belief that such a gene (if it exists in the first place) would be eradicated in a 1000 years, frankly absurd, for the following reasons:  It would be present in millions, and evolution is not that quick to eradicate a trait or gene possessed by millions in a few thousand years (unless a catastrophe wipes these millions of people out).  Also, for a gene/trait to be wiped out, not only has it to confer huge disadvnatages, but its allele has to confer huge advantages.  Usually, when both a gene and its allele confer benefits, what happens is that an evolutionarily stable equilibrium is reached, where both a gene and its allele flourish in the gene pool (not necessarily in equal numbers).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to agree with Antoine here.  Even if there is a &#8220;God gene&#8221; (and this theory is very much misunderstood &#8211; if &#8220;God gene/s&#8221; exists at all, &#8220;it&#8221; would not actually be a &#8220;God&#8221; gene at all, but a gene/s that makes people susceptible (no negative connotation intended) to belief in the supernatural (including of course, an afterlife).  Of course, I would say that this is all theory, but Daniel C. Dennett&#8217;s &#8220;Breaking the Spell &#8211; Religion as a natural phenomenon&#8221; would be worth a read for anyone interested.</p>
<p>Regarding such a gene/s (if it exists at all) being wiped out, once again, Antoine is correct here.  If it exists at all, it would seem likely that the majority of humans have it (I would actually say that most atheists would probably have it as well).  Therefore, I find the belief that such a gene (if it exists in the first place) would be eradicated in a 1000 years, frankly absurd, for the following reasons:  It would be present in millions, and evolution is not that quick to eradicate a trait or gene possessed by millions in a few thousand years (unless a catastrophe wipes these millions of people out).  Also, for a gene/trait to be wiped out, not only has it to confer huge disadvnatages, but its allele has to confer huge advantages.  Usually, when both a gene and its allele confer benefits, what happens is that an evolutionarily stable equilibrium is reached, where both a gene and its allele flourish in the gene pool (not necessarily in equal numbers).</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15022</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;In science, unless you have incontrovertible proof, you never say “without doubt”.&quot;

Just a small correction there, you NEVER speak about &quot;proof&quot; in science. It&#039;s just not relevant. Science is based on theories, which in turn is based on evidence, speculation, experiments and quite often other theories. Proof is for mathematicians and suspicious spouses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In science, unless you have incontrovertible proof, you never say “without doubt”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a small correction there, you NEVER speak about &#8220;proof&#8221; in science. It&#8217;s just not relevant. Science is based on theories, which in turn is based on evidence, speculation, experiments and quite often other theories. Proof is for mathematicians and suspicious spouses.</p>
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		By: Antoine Vella		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15021</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lino Cert

&quot;. .  belief in a God is very likely to have developed as a genetic trait. There is no doubt that believing in a God conferred a significantly increased chance of survival . .&quot;

Of course there are doubts. You are referring to one of the many theories about God (or about the evolution of humans, for that matter). In science, unless you have incontrovertible proof, you never say &quot;without doubt&quot;. You cannot even say “very likely” when it&#039;s just an opinion of a few authors who are simply conjecturing about a possibility.

I&#039;m not being personal but you do not seem to be familiar with genetics. For a gene to be &quot;wiped out&quot;, as you say, it would have to be so disadvantageous that anyone carrying it would die, either without reproducing or reproducing on a very limited scale. Even if we were to say, for argument&#039;s sake, that there is a &#039;god gene&#039;, you yourself admit that it is not harmful but simply non-useful. There would therefore be no selective pressure for it to be removed from the gene pool.

You are also mistaken when you claim that humans are living in “modern democracies” in “most parts of the world”. Only a small proportion actually live in democracies and the percentage is destined to go down. I could find out how many if I looked but, to be honest, can’t be bothered right now.

Where did you get the 1000 year figure for the disappearance of the ‘God gene’? Billions of people follow some kind of religion – according to you most of them have this special gene. Do you realise how long it would take for such a widespread gene to disappear? Lino, with all due respect, you’re taking wild guesses and dressing them up as scientific facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lino Cert</p>
<p>&#8220;. .  belief in a God is very likely to have developed as a genetic trait. There is no doubt that believing in a God conferred a significantly increased chance of survival . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course there are doubts. You are referring to one of the many theories about God (or about the evolution of humans, for that matter). In science, unless you have incontrovertible proof, you never say &#8220;without doubt&#8221;. You cannot even say “very likely” when it&#8217;s just an opinion of a few authors who are simply conjecturing about a possibility.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not being personal but you do not seem to be familiar with genetics. For a gene to be &#8220;wiped out&#8221;, as you say, it would have to be so disadvantageous that anyone carrying it would die, either without reproducing or reproducing on a very limited scale. Even if we were to say, for argument&#8217;s sake, that there is a &#8216;god gene&#8217;, you yourself admit that it is not harmful but simply non-useful. There would therefore be no selective pressure for it to be removed from the gene pool.</p>
<p>You are also mistaken when you claim that humans are living in “modern democracies” in “most parts of the world”. Only a small proportion actually live in democracies and the percentage is destined to go down. I could find out how many if I looked but, to be honest, can’t be bothered right now.</p>
<p>Where did you get the 1000 year figure for the disappearance of the ‘God gene’? Billions of people follow some kind of religion – according to you most of them have this special gene. Do you realise how long it would take for such a widespread gene to disappear? Lino, with all due respect, you’re taking wild guesses and dressing them up as scientific facts.</p>
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		By: Amanda Mallia		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/i-despair/#comment-15020</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daph - You can always get a more recent version from Amazon

www.amazon.com/Puff-Magic-Dragon-Peter-Yarrow/dp/1402747829]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daph &#8211; You can always get a more recent version from Amazon</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Puff-Magic-Dragon-Peter-Yarrow/dp/1402747829" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.com/Puff-Magic-Dragon-Peter-Yarrow/dp/1402747829</a></p>
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		By: Raphael Vassallo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was the song - we had it on vinyl when I was a child and my father used to hum the tune while driving his peacock blue Triumph Herald... those were the days. But I somehow don&#039;t think he ever quite got the pun on &#039;puff&#039;. (Or maybe he did... who knows?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the song &#8211; we had it on vinyl when I was a child and my father used to hum the tune while driving his peacock blue Triumph Herald&#8230; those were the days. But I somehow don&#8217;t think he ever quite got the pun on &#8216;puff&#8217;. (Or maybe he did&#8230; who knows?)</p>
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