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		By: London Area		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/squeak/#comment-14374</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: David Buttigieg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Buttigieg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Pat,

&quot;perhaps you will see the light again one day ;) &quot;

Likewise:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pat,</p>
<p>&#8220;perhaps you will see the light again one day ;) &#8221;</p>
<p>Likewise:)</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in a similar seat. I have conceded to baptise my coming child, more than anything due to make them fit in (although it still pinches some nerves in me).

There is unfortunately a common theme to be associated with lack of morals due to atheism, but it&#039;s also something very easy to prove wrong and shrug off, so I rarely have that problem.

Anyway, glad you found what makes you happy and, who knows, perhaps you will see the light again one day  ;)  (j/k)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a similar seat. I have conceded to baptise my coming child, more than anything due to make them fit in (although it still pinches some nerves in me).</p>
<p>There is unfortunately a common theme to be associated with lack of morals due to atheism, but it&#8217;s also something very easy to prove wrong and shrug off, so I rarely have that problem.</p>
<p>Anyway, glad you found what makes you happy and, who knows, perhaps you will see the light again one day  ;)  (j/k)</p>
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		By: David Buttigieg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Buttigieg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John,
&quot;Dave , you can never win here on this subject&quot;
We are having a discussion like adults do without the need for a &quot;winner&quot; and &quot;loser&quot;.

I certainly don&#039;t consider it a case of &quot;us and them&quot;.  For argument&#039;s sake that is hardly a Christian attitude!

My own brother, who was raised in exactly the same way as myself happens to be an atheist, and we get on fine, we even discuss religion sometimes and it is still not &quot;us and them&quot;!

Out of interest he intends raising his daughter as a Catholic, allowing her to make her own choice (his wife is a practising catholic).  Same with me, I will obviously raise my children as best I can but I will certainly not impose any religion on them!  After all, I myself went through an atheist period in my late teens and early twenties!  My wife, (then girlfriend) gently pulled me back by never preaching to me but just doing her own thing!  But I don&#039;t think I was any &quot;worse&quot; a person back then!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
&#8220;Dave , you can never win here on this subject&#8221;<br />
We are having a discussion like adults do without the need for a &#8220;winner&#8221; and &#8220;loser&#8221;.</p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t consider it a case of &#8220;us and them&#8221;.  For argument&#8217;s sake that is hardly a Christian attitude!</p>
<p>My own brother, who was raised in exactly the same way as myself happens to be an atheist, and we get on fine, we even discuss religion sometimes and it is still not &#8220;us and them&#8221;!</p>
<p>Out of interest he intends raising his daughter as a Catholic, allowing her to make her own choice (his wife is a practising catholic).  Same with me, I will obviously raise my children as best I can but I will certainly not impose any religion on them!  After all, I myself went through an atheist period in my late teens and early twenties!  My wife, (then girlfriend) gently pulled me back by never preaching to me but just doing her own thing!  But I don&#8217;t think I was any &#8220;worse&#8221; a person back then!</p>
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		By: David Buttigieg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Pat,

Well, seeing I&#039;m hardly the mother of all experts, you may well be right!:)

Not really worth losing too much time over, so I&#039;ll concede - gracefully!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pat,</p>
<p>Well, seeing I&#8217;m hardly the mother of all experts, you may well be right!:)</p>
<p>Not really worth losing too much time over, so I&#8217;ll concede &#8211; gracefully!</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne:
The Millenium Chapel is still a Christian chapel, the Bilotti chapel was meant as a truly secular one. My objection would obviously be to the idea of even calling it a chapel, makes no sense to me :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne:<br />
The Millenium Chapel is still a Christian chapel, the Bilotti chapel was meant as a truly secular one. My objection would obviously be to the idea of even calling it a chapel, makes no sense to me :)</p>
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		By: cikki		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: Ta&#039;Braxia

There&#039;s another sad thing! My great great great grandfather
is buried there and there are some beautiful carved headstones and very moving inscriptions from Victorian
times. Unfortunately, in the new bit, one sees black granite, fake flowers, etc.. Why do we always manage to
spoil things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ta&#8217;Braxia</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another sad thing! My great great great grandfather<br />
is buried there and there are some beautiful carved headstones and very moving inscriptions from Victorian<br />
times. Unfortunately, in the new bit, one sees black granite, fake flowers, etc.. Why do we always manage to<br />
spoil things.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne:
&quot;a secular chapel is obviously a contradiction in terms&quot;

Look up the Bilotti Chapel, which was eventually entrusted to Andy Warhol for construction, but due to his untimely death was put on hold indefinitely. A &quot;secular&quot; chapel dedicated to meditation for artists, irrespectively of their faith.

(Daphne - Oh yes, of course, but that&#039;s very different. I think the Millennium Chapel in Paceville tries to strike that kind of balance between &#039;secular meditation&#039; and Christian prayer. At least I remember reading something of the sort when it was first opened.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne:<br />
&#8220;a secular chapel is obviously a contradiction in terms&#8221;</p>
<p>Look up the Bilotti Chapel, which was eventually entrusted to Andy Warhol for construction, but due to his untimely death was put on hold indefinitely. A &#8220;secular&#8221; chapel dedicated to meditation for artists, irrespectively of their faith.</p>
<p>(Daphne &#8211; Oh yes, of course, but that&#8217;s very different. I think the Millennium Chapel in Paceville tries to strike that kind of balance between &#8216;secular meditation&#8217; and Christian prayer. At least I remember reading something of the sort when it was first opened.)</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave:
&quot;Actually they do and always have. Remember most denominations started as part of the Catholic church under the authority of the bishop of Rome. It was relatively recently that splits started occurring.&quot;

The pope is seen as a self-proclaimed successor of Peter and one of the most central themes of protestantism, although not really voiced anymore due to inter-faith relations, is the rejection of the pope as a successor of Peter.

Admittedly I might very well be wrong when I said &quot;very few other denominations&quot;, there might still be a large proportion which does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:<br />
&#8220;Actually they do and always have. Remember most denominations started as part of the Catholic church under the authority of the bishop of Rome. It was relatively recently that splits started occurring.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pope is seen as a self-proclaimed successor of Peter and one of the most central themes of protestantism, although not really voiced anymore due to inter-faith relations, is the rejection of the pope as a successor of Peter.</p>
<p>Admittedly I might very well be wrong when I said &#8220;very few other denominations&#8221;, there might still be a large proportion which does.</p>
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		By: John Schembri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Schembri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that Mater Dei&#039;s mortuary  hall can serve for this purpose ,it is &quot;secular&quot; (no religious symbols).
Btw: even Orthodox Greeks are buried at ta&#039; Braxia , I don&#039;t recall seeing any religious symbols in the destitute &#039;chapel&#039;  , that is why I thought it was secular.
I agree with you that secular burials should be more dignified.

(Daphne - John, you are displaying some very confused thinking here. Ta&#039; Braxia was designed and built in the 19th century, by the same architect who built the Addolorata, as a Protestant cemetery, because in those days, each division of the faith insisted on having its own cemetery and not sharing. Nowadays, we think of cemeteries not in religious terms but as places where people are buried. The mizbla/hallowed ground division is not one we acknowledge in the 21st century. Since those days, Ta&#039; Braxia has embraced everyone else who wants to be buried there, or who has no choice but to be buried there. This includes Jews, Hindus, and all divisions of the Christian faith, even Catholics if they prefer it to the Addolorata. Muslims prefer to use their own cemetery. The reason there are no religious symbols in the Ta&#039; Braxia chapel is not because it is &#039;disused&#039; or &#039;secular&#039; (a secular chapel is obviously a contradiction in terms) but because it is a Protestant chapel. True Protestant chapels are bare of all decoration, and that includes the religious symbols which are associated with Catholicism: crucifixes, Madonnas and bleeding saints with pierced hearts. The absence of these religious symbols does not mean it is not a consecrated space.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Mater Dei&#8217;s mortuary  hall can serve for this purpose ,it is &#8220;secular&#8221; (no religious symbols).<br />
Btw: even Orthodox Greeks are buried at ta&#8217; Braxia , I don&#8217;t recall seeing any religious symbols in the destitute &#8216;chapel&#8217;  , that is why I thought it was secular.<br />
I agree with you that secular burials should be more dignified.</p>
<p>(Daphne &#8211; John, you are displaying some very confused thinking here. Ta&#8217; Braxia was designed and built in the 19th century, by the same architect who built the Addolorata, as a Protestant cemetery, because in those days, each division of the faith insisted on having its own cemetery and not sharing. Nowadays, we think of cemeteries not in religious terms but as places where people are buried. The mizbla/hallowed ground division is not one we acknowledge in the 21st century. Since those days, Ta&#8217; Braxia has embraced everyone else who wants to be buried there, or who has no choice but to be buried there. This includes Jews, Hindus, and all divisions of the Christian faith, even Catholics if they prefer it to the Addolorata. Muslims prefer to use their own cemetery. The reason there are no religious symbols in the Ta&#8217; Braxia chapel is not because it is &#8216;disused&#8217; or &#8216;secular&#8217; (a secular chapel is obviously a contradiction in terms) but because it is a Protestant chapel. True Protestant chapels are bare of all decoration, and that includes the religious symbols which are associated with Catholicism: crucifixes, Madonnas and bleeding saints with pierced hearts. The absence of these religious symbols does not mean it is not a consecrated space.)</p>
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