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		By: Daniela		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2008/09/the-plastic-foetus-army-is-back/#comment-14592</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a 23 year old who is strongly in favour of abortion. If I am ever in that situation I do not know what I will do however I do not believe other people should suffer because of a couple of &#039;MEN&#039; ideas. I have a hunch abortion will be legalized.

And anyways if I ever wanted to have one, sicily is a 30 minute plane ride, holland gives them free to EU citizens ....the list goes on....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 23 year old who is strongly in favour of abortion. If I am ever in that situation I do not know what I will do however I do not believe other people should suffer because of a couple of &#8216;MEN&#8217; ideas. I have a hunch abortion will be legalized.</p>
<p>And anyways if I ever wanted to have one, sicily is a 30 minute plane ride, holland gives them free to EU citizens &#8230;.the list goes on&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Paula FS		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula FS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel like I&#039;m at an AA meeting... My name is Paula and I am against Gift of Life and all it stands for. To use a word I think you used, Daphne,  (in a comment on the Times website) I believe abortion is ugly and it is a very emotional and PRIVATE issue, but as is the case with many issues in Malta, it&#039;s being tackled completely the wrong way round.  If Paul Vincenti and his ilk wasted the same time and energy on campaigning for, say, decent sex education in schools, including the proper use of - horrors! - contraceptives, then he wouldn&#039;t have to worry so much.  Obviously, I don&#039;t believe that this is going to solve the problems of unwanted pregnancies but it&#039;s a start.  This mentality of &#039;abstinence only&#039; is completely and utterly useless. Ask Sarah Palin&#039;s daughter!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I&#8217;m at an AA meeting&#8230; My name is Paula and I am against Gift of Life and all it stands for. To use a word I think you used, Daphne,  (in a comment on the Times website) I believe abortion is ugly and it is a very emotional and PRIVATE issue, but as is the case with many issues in Malta, it&#8217;s being tackled completely the wrong way round.  If Paul Vincenti and his ilk wasted the same time and energy on campaigning for, say, decent sex education in schools, including the proper use of &#8211; horrors! &#8211; contraceptives, then he wouldn&#8217;t have to worry so much.  Obviously, I don&#8217;t believe that this is going to solve the problems of unwanted pregnancies but it&#8217;s a start.  This mentality of &#8216;abstinence only&#8217; is completely and utterly useless. Ask Sarah Palin&#8217;s daughter!</p>
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		By: Tony Borg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Borg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Daphne.  Granted.  But you have to give it to them that once they open their mouths they will be labelled pro-abortion and probably won&#039;t have the time and energy to waste counteracting this sort of fundementalism. So, why bother?   Thus I see the culture of   submissiveness and &#039;wanting to please men&#039; as only one side of the coin; I know of intelligent women who have given up on trying to have a civil debate on the issue or any other sensitive issue (even at a private dinner party, let alone in public); which goes to show that the problem we have as a country is that in spite of all the talk we hear on modernisation, in this aspect we are way way behind most of Europe.  What is worse is what you said earlier re the lack  of a &#039; live and let live&#039; attitude.  In these circumstances,  you just throw your hands up in the air, roll over your eyes and give up, live your life, get out of here as often as you can, and live a quiet life enjoying Malta&#039;s assets keeping in mind that intelligent debate isn&#039;t one of them..... Actually you don&#039;t have to keep it im mind, there are  people like Vincenti who make sure that we don&#039;t forget.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daphne.  Granted.  But you have to give it to them that once they open their mouths they will be labelled pro-abortion and probably won&#8217;t have the time and energy to waste counteracting this sort of fundementalism. So, why bother?   Thus I see the culture of   submissiveness and &#8216;wanting to please men&#8217; as only one side of the coin; I know of intelligent women who have given up on trying to have a civil debate on the issue or any other sensitive issue (even at a private dinner party, let alone in public); which goes to show that the problem we have as a country is that in spite of all the talk we hear on modernisation, in this aspect we are way way behind most of Europe.  What is worse is what you said earlier re the lack  of a &#8216; live and let live&#8217; attitude.  In these circumstances,  you just throw your hands up in the air, roll over your eyes and give up, live your life, get out of here as often as you can, and live a quiet life enjoying Malta&#8217;s assets keeping in mind that intelligent debate isn&#8217;t one of them&#8230;.. Actually you don&#8217;t have to keep it im mind, there are  people like Vincenti who make sure that we don&#8217;t forget.</p>
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		By: Tony Borg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Borg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Daphne.  On the other hand women&#039;s reticence on the subject could be because they consider this an ultra private matter, and if they want to have an abortion they&#039;re not going to let any  Vincenti  guy  intrude.  But they&#039;d rather not talk about it. It&#039;s strictly a question of doing not talking.  They probably even (rightly) think that the Constitution joke will not materialise.  So they just act in guarda e passa manner, and do what they have to do,  while the men continue talking..........

&lt;strong&gt;(Daphne - Yes, that&#039;s exactly what the situation is. But it&#039;s not &lt;em&gt;the reason&lt;/em&gt; why women don&#039;t speak up. The real reason why they don&#039;t speak up is the same for all issues where public opinion requires itself to be felt: women in Malta are trained from birth to think that assertiveness, and voicing an opinion is a demonstration of that, makes them less appealing to men. I too consider abortion to be a private matter, and I have a pretty good idea that the constitutional amendment won&#039;t come through to fruition. This does not obscure my awareness of how important it is to make my views known. Indeed, it is precisely because I consider abortion to be a private matter, and not a public one, that I am doing this.&lt;/strong&gt;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Daphne.  On the other hand women&#8217;s reticence on the subject could be because they consider this an ultra private matter, and if they want to have an abortion they&#8217;re not going to let any  Vincenti  guy  intrude.  But they&#8217;d rather not talk about it. It&#8217;s strictly a question of doing not talking.  They probably even (rightly) think that the Constitution joke will not materialise.  So they just act in guarda e passa manner, and do what they have to do,  while the men continue talking&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>(Daphne &#8211; Yes, that&#8217;s exactly what the situation is. But it&#8217;s not <em>the reason</em> why women don&#8217;t speak up. The real reason why they don&#8217;t speak up is the same for all issues where public opinion requires itself to be felt: women in Malta are trained from birth to think that assertiveness, and voicing an opinion is a demonstration of that, makes them less appealing to men. I too consider abortion to be a private matter, and I have a pretty good idea that the constitutional amendment won&#8217;t come through to fruition. This does not obscure my awareness of how important it is to make my views known. Indeed, it is precisely because I consider abortion to be a private matter, and not a public one, that I am doing this.</strong>)</p>
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		By: David Buttigieg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Buttigieg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think most of you know my views in general!  I am a practising Catholic.

In my view abortion is wrong, whether it&#039;s a minute old embryo or months old.

However, even as a practising Catholic one MUST acknowledge that abortion cannot be treated like X stabbing Y for example.  It is different full stop!

I personally cannot see, how even in Malta, one can (or should) stop a consenting doctor from performing the procedure on a consenting person.

However lines must still be drawn.

In the U.K. for example abortions can be carried out at 24 weeks - Now today babies are surviving being born at 24 weeks.  Surely that should not allowed, religious beliefs apart!

In the U.S., abortions are even carried out at 28 weeks or later, even though technically in the U.S. abortions cannot be carried out if the child can survive outside the womb, albeit with artificial aid.

Partial birth abortions are perhaps the most horrendous crimes imaginable yet continue to be carried out!

Moreover a doctor should have the right to refuse to carry out abortions!

Surely at least all should agree to a limit when the baby can start feeling pain!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of you know my views in general!  I am a practising Catholic.</p>
<p>In my view abortion is wrong, whether it&#8217;s a minute old embryo or months old.</p>
<p>However, even as a practising Catholic one MUST acknowledge that abortion cannot be treated like X stabbing Y for example.  It is different full stop!</p>
<p>I personally cannot see, how even in Malta, one can (or should) stop a consenting doctor from performing the procedure on a consenting person.</p>
<p>However lines must still be drawn.</p>
<p>In the U.K. for example abortions can be carried out at 24 weeks &#8211; Now today babies are surviving being born at 24 weeks.  Surely that should not allowed, religious beliefs apart!</p>
<p>In the U.S., abortions are even carried out at 28 weeks or later, even though technically in the U.S. abortions cannot be carried out if the child can survive outside the womb, albeit with artificial aid.</p>
<p>Partial birth abortions are perhaps the most horrendous crimes imaginable yet continue to be carried out!</p>
<p>Moreover a doctor should have the right to refuse to carry out abortions!</p>
<p>Surely at least all should agree to a limit when the baby can start feeling pain!</p>
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		By: Tony Borg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Borg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[19 responses on abortion, and all from men.  wake up girls.

&lt;strong&gt;(Daphne - Kind of proves my point, doesn&#039;t it? Even the river of comments telling Gift of Life where to shove its petition, on www.timesofmalta.com, are mainly from men. Maltese women are overly preoccupied with how they are perceived by men, and they don&#039;t want men to think they are &#039;baby-killers&#039;, no matter how many abortions they might have had.)&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19 responses on abortion, and all from men.  wake up girls.</p>
<p><strong>(Daphne &#8211; Kind of proves my point, doesn&#8217;t it? Even the river of comments telling Gift of Life where to shove its petition, on <a href="http://www.timesofmalta.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.timesofmalta.com</a>, are mainly from men. Maltese women are overly preoccupied with how they are perceived by men, and they don&#8217;t want men to think they are &#8216;baby-killers&#8217;, no matter how many abortions they might have had.)</strong></p>
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		By: Colin Vassallo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin Vassallo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Forcing a woman to continue with a pregnancy against her will is heinous. Although abortion is no walk in the park, I cannot come to terms in accepting that the rights of the unborn are supreme, that the pregnant woman is relegated to and treated as if she were an incubator.

I cannot understand how women are not all in favour of abortion. I mean it’s their body we’re speaking about after all.

Since it has become the norm for nearly all commentators to this blog and to the blog of The Times to start their comment by stating that they are against abortion, as if it would be sacrilegious to discuss the topic without declaring your opposition to such abomination, I will end my comment by stating that I am in favour of abortion and would vote in favour of its introduction if ever given a chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forcing a woman to continue with a pregnancy against her will is heinous. Although abortion is no walk in the park, I cannot come to terms in accepting that the rights of the unborn are supreme, that the pregnant woman is relegated to and treated as if she were an incubator.</p>
<p>I cannot understand how women are not all in favour of abortion. I mean it’s their body we’re speaking about after all.</p>
<p>Since it has become the norm for nearly all commentators to this blog and to the blog of The Times to start their comment by stating that they are against abortion, as if it would be sacrilegious to discuss the topic without declaring your opposition to such abomination, I will end my comment by stating that I am in favour of abortion and would vote in favour of its introduction if ever given a chance.</p>
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		By: Fausto Majistral		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fausto Majistral]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ireland has had &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a prohibition against abortion&lt;/a&gt; in its constitution since 1984 and the implications this has had since were far-reaching on matters such as freedom of movement and expression.

This is because the Constitution is not simply a law that is more difficult to change, which is the picture GoL is trying to paint, but the supreme law. And do not be surprised if women will be prohibited from travelling on the suspicion that they are pregrant and they might try to procure an abortion abroad.

If GoL indeed cared for women and the &quot;traumas&quot; they suffer post-abortion they should have campaigned for something else: de-criminalising abortion for the mother. Some time back a girl attempted to abort, an attempt which failed. She changed her mind and decided she wanted to go on with the pregnancy.

Unfortunately, she had complications from the attempt, which required hospitalisation. Technically, she had committed a crime and she was reported by hospital staff. She was indicted and acquitted only thanks to a sensible magistrate.

As to the MPs who signed, GoL never published the list. It would be interesting to see how many of those who signed bit the dust in the last election.

&lt;strong&gt;(Daphne - Here it is, Fausto: the infamous X Case of 1992, in which a pregnant 14-year-old girl who had been raped by her neighbour was forcibly kept under police guard in Ireland when it became known that her parents planned to take her to England for an abortion. It was an international scandal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_v._X)&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ireland has had <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland" rel="nofollow">a prohibition against abortion</a> in its constitution since 1984 and the implications this has had since were far-reaching on matters such as freedom of movement and expression.</p>
<p>This is because the Constitution is not simply a law that is more difficult to change, which is the picture GoL is trying to paint, but the supreme law. And do not be surprised if women will be prohibited from travelling on the suspicion that they are pregrant and they might try to procure an abortion abroad.</p>
<p>If GoL indeed cared for women and the &#8220;traumas&#8221; they suffer post-abortion they should have campaigned for something else: de-criminalising abortion for the mother. Some time back a girl attempted to abort, an attempt which failed. She changed her mind and decided she wanted to go on with the pregnancy.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, she had complications from the attempt, which required hospitalisation. Technically, she had committed a crime and she was reported by hospital staff. She was indicted and acquitted only thanks to a sensible magistrate.</p>
<p>As to the MPs who signed, GoL never published the list. It would be interesting to see how many of those who signed bit the dust in the last election.</p>
<p><strong>(Daphne &#8211; Here it is, Fausto: the infamous X Case of 1992, in which a pregnant 14-year-old girl who had been raped by her neighbour was forcibly kept under police guard in Ireland when it became known that her parents planned to take her to England for an abortion. It was an international scandal: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_v._X" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_v._X</a>)</strong></p>
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		By: John Schembri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Schembri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; A virtually SILENT left-wing party over the past 15 years on social issues&quot; . I beg to differ ; wasn&#039;t it in the campaign for the referendum that the MLP tried to  dissuade us from voting for EU membership , by dangling the abortion carrot to the Maltese electorate? I  remember a slogan on the MLP club&#039;s balcony in Valletta stating that Malta is against abortion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; A virtually SILENT left-wing party over the past 15 years on social issues&#8221; . I beg to differ ; wasn&#8217;t it in the campaign for the referendum that the MLP tried to  dissuade us from voting for EU membership , by dangling the abortion carrot to the Maltese electorate? I  remember a slogan on the MLP club&#8217;s balcony in Valletta stating that Malta is against abortion.</p>
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		By: Tony Borg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Borg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right DF.  It was  a rhetorical question I was asking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right DF.  It was  a rhetorical question I was asking.</p>
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