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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I actually AM an Australian and I am utterly enraged by and entirely oppose the mass, multiracial, immigration that has been inflicted upon our nation over the last five years!

It&#039;s destroying our nation and driving us to the brink of genocide.

This is against everything that we wisely set up our sovereign nation to protect ourselves against. 
The small minority of Maltese who came here, who were basically quite well regarded (I myself quite like the Maltese); and a few other European groups...though it was not without it&#039;s troubles...is NOTHING like we are bearing the brunt of now!
With enormous numbers of Chinese and other East Asians, Indians, various Muslim groups; and now various African peoples all flooding in here!
The grim process of mass immigration and &quot;multiculturalism&quot; is a threat to every Western nation and White person.
We Australians have EVERY right to keep our society for ourselves and our descendents...as do the Maltese in Malta.
It&#039;s a people&#039;s birthright!

Scott]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually AM an Australian and I am utterly enraged by and entirely oppose the mass, multiracial, immigration that has been inflicted upon our nation over the last five years!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s destroying our nation and driving us to the brink of genocide.</p>
<p>This is against everything that we wisely set up our sovereign nation to protect ourselves against.<br />
The small minority of Maltese who came here, who were basically quite well regarded (I myself quite like the Maltese); and a few other European groups&#8230;though it was not without it&#8217;s troubles&#8230;is NOTHING like we are bearing the brunt of now!<br />
With enormous numbers of Chinese and other East Asians, Indians, various Muslim groups; and now various African peoples all flooding in here!<br />
The grim process of mass immigration and &#8220;multiculturalism&#8221; is a threat to every Western nation and White person.<br />
We Australians have EVERY right to keep our society for ourselves and our descendents&#8230;as do the Maltese in Malta.<br />
It&#8217;s a people&#8217;s birthright!</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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		By: Festus		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[All good and bad is being said about Malta, but as an African migrant living in Malta, it is typically difficult for me to join the bus on my way to work everyday without being abused - lest we forget that we have many Maltese who live and work in Africa especially a country named Nigeria. The way Africans are treated is too bad here in Malta, where you are seen as nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good and bad is being said about Malta, but as an African migrant living in Malta, it is typically difficult for me to join the bus on my way to work everyday without being abused &#8211; lest we forget that we have many Maltese who live and work in Africa especially a country named Nigeria. The way Africans are treated is too bad here in Malta, where you are seen as nothing.</p>
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		By: freethinker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Daphne;  if I may come in somewhat belatedly, the assimilation of Christian semitic terms into Maltese is not necessarily an indication of our Muslim past (although of this there is no doubt).  Apart from the words you mention - Milied, Ghid etc - which are also used by Muslims to denote Muslim festivals, there a few others which are peculiar to Christianity, such as qrar, tqarbin, maghmudija, tewba, etc. which could not have been adopted from Muslim terminology. It seems to be more likely that Maltese Christians adopted these Arabic Christian terms from Christian Arabic-speakers.  This appears more probable when we consider that, at the start of re-Christianization, the Eastern (Greek) rite (geographically closer to the Middle East) rather than the Latin seems to have been prevalent for a time (refer to some old place names like Wied Incita, Nikita being a saint of the Eastern Church). One must not forget that in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, there were some of the oldest Christian communities some of which survive today.  I am informed that some of the terms we use in Maltese are still current among Maronite Christians in the Middle East.

Regarding the expulsion of Muslims after the 1492 edict of Queen Isabella, one must also mention that this affected Jews as well and, as a result, the Jews of Malta (then under Aragon/Castille) were forced to convert or be exiled.  Muslims (unless they converted) had already been expelled from Sicily and Malta earlier on at the time of Frederick II and by 1492 the Maltese had reverted firmly to Christianity.

@Marku: another piece of circumstantial evidence that the Maltese islands may have been depopulated after the Muslim conquest (as suggested by Al-Himyari), apart from the absence of place names dating to the pre-Arab period, is that fact that no study so far has managed to find a substratum (i.e. signs of a previously spoken language) to Semitic Maltese.  It would seem that the Arabic-speakers who may have re-populated the islands may have started off on a &quot;tabula rasa&quot;.  Of course, the question as to what was spoken by the inhabitants of Malta before 869-870 remains open.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daphne;  if I may come in somewhat belatedly, the assimilation of Christian semitic terms into Maltese is not necessarily an indication of our Muslim past (although of this there is no doubt).  Apart from the words you mention &#8211; Milied, Ghid etc &#8211; which are also used by Muslims to denote Muslim festivals, there a few others which are peculiar to Christianity, such as qrar, tqarbin, maghmudija, tewba, etc. which could not have been adopted from Muslim terminology. It seems to be more likely that Maltese Christians adopted these Arabic Christian terms from Christian Arabic-speakers.  This appears more probable when we consider that, at the start of re-Christianization, the Eastern (Greek) rite (geographically closer to the Middle East) rather than the Latin seems to have been prevalent for a time (refer to some old place names like Wied Incita, Nikita being a saint of the Eastern Church). One must not forget that in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, there were some of the oldest Christian communities some of which survive today.  I am informed that some of the terms we use in Maltese are still current among Maronite Christians in the Middle East.</p>
<p>Regarding the expulsion of Muslims after the 1492 edict of Queen Isabella, one must also mention that this affected Jews as well and, as a result, the Jews of Malta (then under Aragon/Castille) were forced to convert or be exiled.  Muslims (unless they converted) had already been expelled from Sicily and Malta earlier on at the time of Frederick II and by 1492 the Maltese had reverted firmly to Christianity.</p>
<p>@Marku: another piece of circumstantial evidence that the Maltese islands may have been depopulated after the Muslim conquest (as suggested by Al-Himyari), apart from the absence of place names dating to the pre-Arab period, is that fact that no study so far has managed to find a substratum (i.e. signs of a previously spoken language) to Semitic Maltese.  It would seem that the Arabic-speakers who may have re-populated the islands may have started off on a &#8220;tabula rasa&#8221;.  Of course, the question as to what was spoken by the inhabitants of Malta before 869-870 remains open.</p>
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		By: Marku		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pat,

the question of the survival (or not) of Christianity on Malta during the Muslim period is still not fully resolved as much of the evidence is indirect. Overall, however, it makes historical sense to suggest that the population of Malta was pretty much Muslim by the time the Normans arrived here in the late 11th century. A chronicler who accompanied Count Roger on his expedition to Malta in 1091 says that the Count released a few Christian slaves then living in Mdina but makes no further mention of Christians. Those Christian slaves promptly left Malta with the Norman war party, an act that would be difficult to explain if they were part of the indigenous population. Count Roger also immediately proceeded to leave the same Muslim governor of Malta in charge of the island - evidently no Christians could be found to replace him. The evidence of place-names also seems to suggest a near-complete eradication of the previous pre-Arab/Muslim culture. Finally, if we look at nearby Sicily, we find that at least the entire western half of that island was inhabited by Muslims at the time of the Norman conquest. Unlike Malta, however, there is documentary and physical evidence showing that Christianity (albeit in the Greek form) did survive in some parts of eastern Sicily. In places like Palermo, however, the Christian presence was a fragment of what it used to be. The archbishop of Palermo is described in a Norman source as an old man living in near-poverty and without a proper place of worship befitting his rank.

The most thoughtful discussion of this period can be found in Charles Dalli&#039;s, Malta: the Medieval Millennium (Midsea Books, 2006).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>the question of the survival (or not) of Christianity on Malta during the Muslim period is still not fully resolved as much of the evidence is indirect. Overall, however, it makes historical sense to suggest that the population of Malta was pretty much Muslim by the time the Normans arrived here in the late 11th century. A chronicler who accompanied Count Roger on his expedition to Malta in 1091 says that the Count released a few Christian slaves then living in Mdina but makes no further mention of Christians. Those Christian slaves promptly left Malta with the Norman war party, an act that would be difficult to explain if they were part of the indigenous population. Count Roger also immediately proceeded to leave the same Muslim governor of Malta in charge of the island &#8211; evidently no Christians could be found to replace him. The evidence of place-names also seems to suggest a near-complete eradication of the previous pre-Arab/Muslim culture. Finally, if we look at nearby Sicily, we find that at least the entire western half of that island was inhabited by Muslims at the time of the Norman conquest. Unlike Malta, however, there is documentary and physical evidence showing that Christianity (albeit in the Greek form) did survive in some parts of eastern Sicily. In places like Palermo, however, the Christian presence was a fragment of what it used to be. The archbishop of Palermo is described in a Norman source as an old man living in near-poverty and without a proper place of worship befitting his rank.</p>
<p>The most thoughtful discussion of this period can be found in Charles Dalli&#8217;s, Malta: the Medieval Millennium (Midsea Books, 2006).</p>
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		By: Marku		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Emanuel: I actually disagree with Daphne on how to deal with someone like you. I think ridicule, rather than debate, is the best tactic against sheer, persistent ignorance. However, I will give you one last bit of advice. Once again, your historical arguments are false. They are based on wrong information which makes your interpretation complete drivel. You really ought to read history books that were actually written by historians because, you never know, you might actually learn something new. If you wish to have an informed opinion, the least you can do is to try and get informed in the first place. For once, you might actually say something that makes sense.

Let me share with you one of my favourite quotes from the bible:  L-ikbar trux min ma jridx jisma.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emanuel: I actually disagree with Daphne on how to deal with someone like you. I think ridicule, rather than debate, is the best tactic against sheer, persistent ignorance. However, I will give you one last bit of advice. Once again, your historical arguments are false. They are based on wrong information which makes your interpretation complete drivel. You really ought to read history books that were actually written by historians because, you never know, you might actually learn something new. If you wish to have an informed opinion, the least you can do is to try and get informed in the first place. For once, you might actually say something that makes sense.</p>
<p>Let me share with you one of my favourite quotes from the bible:  L-ikbar trux min ma jridx jisma.</p>
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		By: Amanda Mallia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne - &quot;TO BE MALTESE IS NOT TO BE CHRISTIAN&quot;

Try explaining that to all the holier-than-thous]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne &#8211; &#8220;TO BE MALTESE IS NOT TO BE CHRISTIAN&#8221;</p>
<p>Try explaining that to all the holier-than-thous</p>
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		By: Amanda Mallia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fanny - &quot;Malti ta&#039; Londra&quot; is an expression used to describe such undesirables.

One such person - who made his money out of running a Soho brothel (which had, if I recall correctly, burnt down many years ago) - is now a decrepit old man who has retired gracefully to Malta.  He&#039;s often seen taking a walk along Ghar id-Dud / Fond Ghadir, almost blending in with the &quot;old&quot; Sliema residents, having acquired a more respectable appearance in his old age.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fanny &#8211; &#8220;Malti ta&#8217; Londra&#8221; is an expression used to describe such undesirables.</p>
<p>One such person &#8211; who made his money out of running a Soho brothel (which had, if I recall correctly, burnt down many years ago) &#8211; is now a decrepit old man who has retired gracefully to Malta.  He&#8217;s often seen taking a walk along Ghar id-Dud / Fond Ghadir, almost blending in with the &#8220;old&#8221; Sliema residents, having acquired a more respectable appearance in his old age.</p>
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		By: Fanny		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I lived in London from &#039;67 to &#039;71.  In &#039;68 one of my cousins came over for a course, took me out for supper and then for a &#039;stroll&#039; through Soho. He wanted to show me the Maltese pimps outside the bars and clubs. I heard them shouting come on in, lovely ladies etc in Maltese and broken English...Quite a sight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in London from &#8217;67 to &#8217;71.  In &#8217;68 one of my cousins came over for a course, took me out for supper and then for a &#8216;stroll&#8217; through Soho. He wanted to show me the Maltese pimps outside the bars and clubs. I heard them shouting come on in, lovely ladies etc in Maltese and broken English&#8230;Quite a sight.</p>
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		By: Arnold Galea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Countries were created by human beings becuase really and truly human beings have evolved from Nature. The languages, cultures, customs, flags, national anthems have all been created by humans.

This goes to show that humans like many animals do create territories and this have caused so many wars and difficulties for humanity in general.

Personally, I am not an expert on this subject, however, I do posess a good general knowledge on history and what Daphne is saying about the Maltese does make a lot of sense.

Maltese is a semitic language written in Latin alphabet (the only one) and the semitic languages include Arabic, Amharic, Tigrinya and Hebrew.

People all over are scared of opening up their territories and refusing the concept of Globalisation. If we take the current Financial crises for example, we have seen world governments gathering together in order to find a solution for this crisis becuase what happened in the US is having an impact on Europe, Asia, Africa and all over.

With regards to the territory called Malta as a territory it does have a problem with over population, however, this does not mean that the problem is being caused by the Illegal or Legal immigrants only, but the fact is that we are too many on a very tiny area.

If we feel that there is no more space here, we should consider to move in another territory or else we should just stick to the territory that we have and try to improve it instead of moaning on a daily basis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countries were created by human beings becuase really and truly human beings have evolved from Nature. The languages, cultures, customs, flags, national anthems have all been created by humans.</p>
<p>This goes to show that humans like many animals do create territories and this have caused so many wars and difficulties for humanity in general.</p>
<p>Personally, I am not an expert on this subject, however, I do posess a good general knowledge on history and what Daphne is saying about the Maltese does make a lot of sense.</p>
<p>Maltese is a semitic language written in Latin alphabet (the only one) and the semitic languages include Arabic, Amharic, Tigrinya and Hebrew.</p>
<p>People all over are scared of opening up their territories and refusing the concept of Globalisation. If we take the current Financial crises for example, we have seen world governments gathering together in order to find a solution for this crisis becuase what happened in the US is having an impact on Europe, Asia, Africa and all over.</p>
<p>With regards to the territory called Malta as a territory it does have a problem with over population, however, this does not mean that the problem is being caused by the Illegal or Legal immigrants only, but the fact is that we are too many on a very tiny area.</p>
<p>If we feel that there is no more space here, we should consider to move in another territory or else we should just stick to the territory that we have and try to improve it instead of moaning on a daily basis.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;FOR SOME REASON THAT WE DON&#039;T YET KNOW, THE ORIGINAL NUMBER CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY AND OVER TIME, THEIR DESCENDANTS BECAME ASSIMILATED CHRISTIANS.&quot;

Forgive me my ignorance, but isn&#039;t it possible that during the Muslim reign in Malta, practicing other religions were allowed, although slightly penalised. After the seisure by the knights the conversion to catholocisim was more or less forced upon the people. Not to attack catholicism, but in those days the catholics were not famous for sparing the rod.

Now admittedly I don&#039;t know a great deal about the history of Malta so might be out on a limb here and if so would appreciate correction.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - One imagines that it was a mix of things. There were still  Muslims in Malta until the early 15th century at least, just as there were in Sicily. The real turning-point came not with the mythical heroics of &#039;Count Roger the Norman&#039; in the late 11th century, but with the policy of religious unity pursued by Queen Isabella of Spain some four centuries later, when Muslims were forced to flee Aragonese territory, convert or die. Malta was part of the Kingdom of Aragon at the time, as was Sicily.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;FOR SOME REASON THAT WE DON&#8217;T YET KNOW, THE ORIGINAL NUMBER CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY AND OVER TIME, THEIR DESCENDANTS BECAME ASSIMILATED CHRISTIANS.&#8221;</p>
<p>Forgive me my ignorance, but isn&#8217;t it possible that during the Muslim reign in Malta, practicing other religions were allowed, although slightly penalised. After the seisure by the knights the conversion to catholocisim was more or less forced upon the people. Not to attack catholicism, but in those days the catholics were not famous for sparing the rod.</p>
<p>Now admittedly I don&#8217;t know a great deal about the history of Malta so might be out on a limb here and if so would appreciate correction.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; One imagines that it was a mix of things. There were still  Muslims in Malta until the early 15th century at least, just as there were in Sicily. The real turning-point came not with the mythical heroics of &#8216;Count Roger the Norman&#8217; in the late 11th century, but with the policy of religious unity pursued by Queen Isabella of Spain some four centuries later, when Muslims were forced to flee Aragonese territory, convert or die. Malta was part of the Kingdom of Aragon at the time, as was Sicily.]</strong></p>
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