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		By: Andrea		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/01/yes2eu-pay-and-pension/#comment-20573</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those elves transformed into screaming banshees.]]></description>
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		By: Johnluke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How can one be so stupid and arrogant.  &quot;advise her to call off her silly elves posting comments here, because they&#039;re doing no good to her cause&quot;... Who the hell do you think you are?.. Do you think that anyone out there has the right to stop me from saying what I want to say....oohhh yes, now I remember..you still imagine that you have some devine right to rule this island just because of your political inclination...buzz off to wonderland... freedom of speech ... .... my advice - stop calling names... of all people how dare you use the word bitch...geeeeweeee...by the way I never doubted that you actualy need to look up references in order to come up with phrases. any way thanks for posting my coments...Now I will wonder off because it is not worth visiting any more.  You are scattered all over the place, lost your concentration, calling people names and to use you own phrase ..one sandwich short of panic.Go and scream infront of your mirror wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

come on SHARON 4 MALTA ...the elves community is out to help you.


&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Bloody nutter, I&#039;m afraid. Sharon deserves better. Of course I have the right to stop you from saying what you want to say when you&#039;re doing it here. This is my space, remember. Only I prefer to publish your comments intact for exactly the same reasons that I reproduce racist comments. It&#039;s important to know what sort of people are out there working on political campaigns.The link to an explanation of the phrase &#039;one sandwich short of a picnic&#039; was for your benefit. I wouldn&#039;t have been able to look it up if I hadn&#039;t known it already, and for years. Ah well, at least you learned something.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can one be so stupid and arrogant.  &#8220;advise her to call off her silly elves posting comments here, because they&#8217;re doing no good to her cause&#8221;&#8230; Who the hell do you think you are?.. Do you think that anyone out there has the right to stop me from saying what I want to say&#8230;.oohhh yes, now I remember..you still imagine that you have some devine right to rule this island just because of your political inclination&#8230;buzz off to wonderland&#8230; freedom of speech &#8230; &#8230;. my advice &#8211; stop calling names&#8230; of all people how dare you use the word bitch&#8230;geeeeweeee&#8230;by the way I never doubted that you actualy need to look up references in order to come up with phrases. any way thanks for posting my coments&#8230;Now I will wonder off because it is not worth visiting any more.  You are scattered all over the place, lost your concentration, calling people names and to use you own phrase ..one sandwich short of panic.Go and scream infront of your mirror wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh</p>
<p>come on SHARON 4 MALTA &#8230;the elves community is out to help you.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Bloody nutter, I&#8217;m afraid. Sharon deserves better. Of course I have the right to stop you from saying what you want to say when you&#8217;re doing it here. This is my space, remember. Only I prefer to publish your comments intact for exactly the same reasons that I reproduce racist comments. It&#8217;s important to know what sort of people are out there working on political campaigns.The link to an explanation of the phrase &#8216;one sandwich short of a picnic&#8217; was for your benefit. I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to look it up if I hadn&#8217;t known it already, and for years. Ah well, at least you learned something.]</strong></p>
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		By: Johnluke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hurrahhhh....where have all these elves came from..now let me guess...perhaps you have a breeding farm.!!!  For goodness sake try and relax and stop spelling out vehemence.  May I ask you...do you actually know Sharon, have you ever met her, have you ever attempted to ask her any question?  ....Why don&#039;t you put yourself together and go public...YES.. get out of your closet (with no mirrors) and ask her anything you want IN PUBLIC.. wouldn&#039;t that be interesting...I know ..you to prefer to vote for a star in an Italian house !!!
Come on .......SHARON 4 MALTA is our No1

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Hey Sharon, your fans are one sandwich short of a picnic. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/one-sandwich-short-of-a-picnic.html]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurrahhhh&#8230;.where have all these elves came from..now let me guess&#8230;perhaps you have a breeding farm.!!!  For goodness sake try and relax and stop spelling out vehemence.  May I ask you&#8230;do you actually know Sharon, have you ever met her, have you ever attempted to ask her any question?  &#8230;.Why don&#8217;t you put yourself together and go public&#8230;YES.. get out of your closet (with no mirrors) and ask her anything you want IN PUBLIC.. wouldn&#8217;t that be interesting&#8230;I know ..you to prefer to vote for a star in an Italian house !!!<br />
Come on &#8230;&#8230;.SHARON 4 MALTA is our No1</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Hey Sharon, your fans are one sandwich short of a picnic. <a href="http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/one-sandwich-short-of-a-picnic.html%5D" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/one-sandwich-short-of-a-picnic.html%5D</a></strong></p>
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		By: Antoine Vella		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antoine Vella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The entire Labour camp, with one or two exceptions, sought to keep Malta out of the EU  and most of them – again with very few exceptions – later scrambled  to take a bite of the EU-pie. Ellul Bonici is just another member of the  flock, no more no less, and I don&#039;t think the PN will be setting up a special NO2EB club to single her out.

She has mellowed from eurosceptic (not believing in the EU) to eurocritical (wants to become an MEP to criticise) and it would have been embarrassing for Joseph Muscat to reject her on the basis of her antagonism to the EU, considering his own record in this regard.  His contribution to the referendum campaign was probably even more virulently euroseptic than that of EB.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Labour camp, with one or two exceptions, sought to keep Malta out of the EU  and most of them – again with very few exceptions – later scrambled  to take a bite of the EU-pie. Ellul Bonici is just another member of the  flock, no more no less, and I don&#8217;t think the PN will be setting up a special NO2EB club to single her out.</p>
<p>She has mellowed from eurosceptic (not believing in the EU) to eurocritical (wants to become an MEP to criticise) and it would have been embarrassing for Joseph Muscat to reject her on the basis of her antagonism to the EU, considering his own record in this regard.  His contribution to the referendum campaign was probably even more virulently euroseptic than that of EB.</p>
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		By: Leo Said		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For fairness&#039; sake, live and let live.

If I were Ms.Ellul Bonnici, I would dare to ask you people to remark about Paul of Tarsus (does one know about him in Malta) and, to be more contemporary, I would ask for comments on the political vita of Xavier Solana.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For fairness&#8217; sake, live and let live.</p>
<p>If I were Ms.Ellul Bonnici, I would dare to ask you people to remark about Paul of Tarsus (does one know about him in Malta) and, to be more contemporary, I would ask for comments on the political vita of Xavier Solana.</p>
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		By: kev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, what you call elves, are people brought here by word of mouth (or link) - at least that is my assumption.

Your question concerning &quot;why she is contesting as an MEP when she worked hard to keep Malta out of the EU&quot; is answerable in one sentence. When you oppose membership because of centralising aspects, after your country eventually joins you try and minimise those aspects as best you can while it is still possible and through the best possible means.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, what you call elves, are people brought here by word of mouth (or link) &#8211; at least that is my assumption.</p>
<p>Your question concerning &#8220;why she is contesting as an MEP when she worked hard to keep Malta out of the EU&#8221; is answerable in one sentence. When you oppose membership because of centralising aspects, after your country eventually joins you try and minimise those aspects as best you can while it is still possible and through the best possible means.</p>
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		By: kev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;[You can&#039;t work against a united Europe while being in favour of its parliament.]&quot;

This is another gem - I see you people were busy here.

United Europe - okay, what type of unity? The &#039;four freedoms of movement&#039; is one benefit of this unity. How far does &#039;unity&#039; go? Does it go as far as lumping everything in Brussels DC? (You wouldn&#039;t know of federal takeovers would you?) Or could it go as far as other unifications have gone? Is a &#039;powerful and strong&#039; Europe (as they say) beneficial to the people? How? By having central planners in Brussels decide over half a billion people? Or would it be so strong and powerful militarily that it would seek to plunder world resources? I&#039;m not implying this will happen - I am asking: How is &#039;strong and powerful&#039; beneficial to the people? The Soviet Union was strong and poweful but this did not help the people much. The US to is strong and powerful, but the federal takeover has meant that the US is ruled by banksters not presidents.

Strong and powerful economically, perhaps? Yes, that makes sense. For that we need a single market with the least possible bureaucracy and the least possible harmonisation so the market can breathe and prosper. A single market is what we have today, complete with a single currency. More unelected central planners deciding over more areas of legislation is what we DO NOT need.

Now tell us more about your &quot;United Europe&quot;, Daphne.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Yes, we&#039;re kind of busy. For some reason this blog appears to have caught fire over the last few days, with more than a hundred comments coming in every day. It must be Sharon.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[You can&#8217;t work against a united Europe while being in favour of its parliament.]&#8221;</p>
<p>This is another gem &#8211; I see you people were busy here.</p>
<p>United Europe &#8211; okay, what type of unity? The &#8216;four freedoms of movement&#8217; is one benefit of this unity. How far does &#8216;unity&#8217; go? Does it go as far as lumping everything in Brussels DC? (You wouldn&#8217;t know of federal takeovers would you?) Or could it go as far as other unifications have gone? Is a &#8216;powerful and strong&#8217; Europe (as they say) beneficial to the people? How? By having central planners in Brussels decide over half a billion people? Or would it be so strong and powerful militarily that it would seek to plunder world resources? I&#8217;m not implying this will happen &#8211; I am asking: How is &#8216;strong and powerful&#8217; beneficial to the people? The Soviet Union was strong and poweful but this did not help the people much. The US to is strong and powerful, but the federal takeover has meant that the US is ruled by banksters not presidents.</p>
<p>Strong and powerful economically, perhaps? Yes, that makes sense. For that we need a single market with the least possible bureaucracy and the least possible harmonisation so the market can breathe and prosper. A single market is what we have today, complete with a single currency. More unelected central planners deciding over more areas of legislation is what we DO NOT need.</p>
<p>Now tell us more about your &#8220;United Europe&#8221;, Daphne.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Yes, we&#8217;re kind of busy. For some reason this blog appears to have caught fire over the last few days, with more than a hundred comments coming in every day. It must be Sharon.]</strong></p>
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		By: Chris II		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Michelle
&quot;what I’m against is the political (federalist) integration of the member states,” she replies.&quot;

This is exactly it - if one does not have integration, how can one have an EU parliament? There is no chicken-egg situation here - the EU parliament had to be set up after integration.

On the other hand, though a complete Europhile, I would also have waited before signing the new treaty and above all I hate the continuous implications coming from all parties, of the importance of the 6th seat - yes it is, but not the extent of undermining some of our leverage power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michelle<br />
&#8220;what I’m against is the political (federalist) integration of the member states,” she replies.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly it &#8211; if one does not have integration, how can one have an EU parliament? There is no chicken-egg situation here &#8211; the EU parliament had to be set up after integration.</p>
<p>On the other hand, though a complete Europhile, I would also have waited before signing the new treaty and above all I hate the continuous implications coming from all parties, of the importance of the 6th seat &#8211; yes it is, but not the extent of undermining some of our leverage power.</p>
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		By: kev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;[Daphne - Got off your spiky cactus, have you? And you&#039;re still not big on clear thinking. Nobody&#039;s saying that everyone in parliament should agree with each other. But we do expect people in parliament to at the very least agree that the parliament of which they form part is a necessary institution of which they approve. Here we have somebody who is trying to join the European Parliament to undermine it, because she doesn&#039;t agree with having a united Europe. In other words, she&#039;s got Guy Fawkes syndrome, except that she&#039;s going to use a popular mandate instead of gunpowder.]&quot;

I had nearly missed the above. Who is trying to undermine the European Parliament, Daphne? This is so off the mark it is even worrisome, coming from a highly educated person as you. The political structure of the future EU is taking shape right now and the European Parliament is the ONLY European insititution by means of which the people can help shape their own future. And you tell us we want to bring it down. U le jahasra - what a truly dismal level of a debate we have here.

[&lt;strong&gt;Daphne - OK, Kev, I&#039;ll try to smarten up. If Sharon wants to do a guest-post here, I&#039;ll upload it unedited. But she has to stick to the point and address the question of why she is contesting as an MEP when she worked hard to keep Malta out of the EU. And advise her to call off her silly elves posting comments here, because they&#039;re doing no good to her cause.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Daphne &#8211; Got off your spiky cactus, have you? And you&#8217;re still not big on clear thinking. Nobody&#8217;s saying that everyone in parliament should agree with each other. But we do expect people in parliament to at the very least agree that the parliament of which they form part is a necessary institution of which they approve. Here we have somebody who is trying to join the European Parliament to undermine it, because she doesn&#8217;t agree with having a united Europe. In other words, she&#8217;s got Guy Fawkes syndrome, except that she&#8217;s going to use a popular mandate instead of gunpowder.]&#8221;</p>
<p>I had nearly missed the above. Who is trying to undermine the European Parliament, Daphne? This is so off the mark it is even worrisome, coming from a highly educated person as you. The political structure of the future EU is taking shape right now and the European Parliament is the ONLY European insititution by means of which the people can help shape their own future. And you tell us we want to bring it down. U le jahasra &#8211; what a truly dismal level of a debate we have here.</p>
<p>[<strong>Daphne &#8211; OK, Kev, I&#8217;ll try to smarten up. If Sharon wants to do a guest-post here, I&#8217;ll upload it unedited. But she has to stick to the point and address the question of why she is contesting as an MEP when she worked hard to keep Malta out of the EU. And advise her to call off her silly elves posting comments here, because they&#8217;re doing no good to her cause.]</strong></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;[Daphne - Just in case I wasn&#039;t watching and taking note at the time.....I did work on the Yes campaign, you know.]&quot;

Daphne, do you consider every comment posted here as a personal email? That comment is clearly aimed for public consumption and certainly not to persuade you that the moon is silvery grey. People generally have a good sense not to attempt such impossible feats.

&quot;[Daphne -Gosh, Sharon has elves in her grotto.]&quot;

It&#039;s good that you mention elves, because the PN elves have been at work not only in the Times&#039; comments sections, but also in actual letter writing. The same mantra is being repeated ad nauseam and the message that they convey is that the inclusion of the EU-critical vote has angered them somewhat. They know this will only add to Labour&#039;s vote count. Interestingly enough, had SEB been included in Labour&#039;s 2008 election line-up she would have attracted, in 2 districts, at least 2000 of those 7000-10,000 EU-critical voters who had otherwise stayed home. Sant would have been PM today.

And perhaps all for the better... Muscat is much more practical and shrewd than the famously rigid, black-or-white Sant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Daphne &#8211; Just in case I wasn&#8217;t watching and taking note at the time&#8230;..I did work on the Yes campaign, you know.]&#8221;</p>
<p>Daphne, do you consider every comment posted here as a personal email? That comment is clearly aimed for public consumption and certainly not to persuade you that the moon is silvery grey. People generally have a good sense not to attempt such impossible feats.</p>
<p>&#8220;[Daphne -Gosh, Sharon has elves in her grotto.]&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that you mention elves, because the PN elves have been at work not only in the Times&#8217; comments sections, but also in actual letter writing. The same mantra is being repeated ad nauseam and the message that they convey is that the inclusion of the EU-critical vote has angered them somewhat. They know this will only add to Labour&#8217;s vote count. Interestingly enough, had SEB been included in Labour&#8217;s 2008 election line-up she would have attracted, in 2 districts, at least 2000 of those 7000-10,000 EU-critical voters who had otherwise stayed home. Sant would have been PM today.</p>
<p>And perhaps all for the better&#8230; Muscat is much more practical and shrewd than the famously rigid, black-or-white Sant.</p>
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