Comments on: Geronimo – Apache chief and consultant engineer to de Valette

By: Moggy

Moggy — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:50:12 +0000

John, thank you for pointing this out. I hadn’t looked at this thread again and had missed all that was written after my last comment. As it is, Roger Vella Bonavita had cited at least one instance where the great Cassar was referred to as Geronimo, but you pointed us to two specific documents.

We are therefore, finally, agreed that Geronimo (the Christian name) preceded the nick-name given to Goyathlay, and is a variant of Girolamo/ Gerolamo.

As regards his date of death – yes, I found different dates in different references. 1586 seems to be a mistake.

@ Sybil: There are many variants of the name. You will find Cassar referred to as Gerolamo, Girolamo, Geronimo, Glormu – all derive from the Greek Hieronymus, English version: Jerome.

By: John

John — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:11:32 +0000

Postscript to the above

Cassar himself signed as GERONIMO. See Melita Historica vol.XIV no.1(2004) page 48 for a facsimile of his signature on a document dated 1589. This is not a “history text”. This is his ACTUAL SIGNATURE.

By: Sybil

Sybil — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:25:13 +0000

GIROLAMO as in JEROME..

By: Sybil

Sybil — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:24:26 +0000

GIROLAMO Cassar if I am not mistaken , not GERONIMO.

[Daphne – I think you’ve missed out chunks of this exchange of views.]

By: Marku

Marku — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:04:35 +0000

OK then, I declare myself a nitwit.

By: John

John — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:38:27 +0000

@Marku
Here’s one. “….. Maestro Geronimo Cassar in qua hanno servito per Ingigneri …etc”
This is in a manuscript dated 29 July 1600 in the Palace Archives quoted by Prof.Victor Mallia-Milanes in Melita Historica 9(1986)3(247-269).

By: Marku

Marku — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:03:35 +0000

Moggy, sorry I wasn’t around to respond to you earlier (some of us actually spend most of their day at work rather than on Wikipedia). Anyway, my point is this: show us one instance in a history text where Girolamo Cassar is referred to as “Geronimo” and I will call myself a nitwit on this blog.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:23:43 +0000

–The spirit is wandering until a proper burial has been performed–

Breaking news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090217/ts_alt_afp/ushistorynativejustice

By: Harry Purdie

Harry Purdie — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:42:44 +0000

I fear our Moggy is out of her depth. Perhaps a few of Geronimo’s feathers would help. Soar to new heights?

By: Moggy

Moggy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:37:36 +0000

[Harry Purdie – Hey Moggy!
Do nits have wits?]

You seem to have one, so we can probably surmise that they do.