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		By: Moggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now you know that I can&#039;t ever trust Labour, but at the same time neither can I put my hand on my heart and say that I&#039;m happy with this lot - and things seem to be getting worse. I&#039;m sick of this arrogant &quot;I know best&quot; attitude, and by the looks of it I&#039;m not the only one.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Well, unfortunately governments are not there to grovel. They are there to run the country. In 1996, we - well, not me, but people I know - voted out Fenech Adami&#039;s government because they were &quot;sick of this arrogant &#039;I know best&#039; attitude&quot; and within months they were gagging to have the arrogant lot back. Come back, all is forgiven! Just 22 months later, Fenech Adami&#039;s arrogant lot were returned to power, with a majority of many thousands (by Maltese standards). Is there anyone anywhere in the world who is entirely satisfied with any government? At least in our country, with no pathetic coalitions, we know what we&#039;re going to get, and it&#039;s not Russian roulette. It&#039;s that lot or the other lot, and you choose. Simple. I&#039;m one of those boring people who take the long view. I rather suspect that the thinking which shapes so many people&#039;s attitude to the government is the very same one that shapes their attitude to their spouse: a short-termist inability to foresee and assess consequences.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you know that I can&#8217;t ever trust Labour, but at the same time neither can I put my hand on my heart and say that I&#8217;m happy with this lot &#8211; and things seem to be getting worse. I&#8217;m sick of this arrogant &#8220;I know best&#8221; attitude, and by the looks of it I&#8217;m not the only one.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Well, unfortunately governments are not there to grovel. They are there to run the country. In 1996, we &#8211; well, not me, but people I know &#8211; voted out Fenech Adami&#8217;s government because they were &#8220;sick of this arrogant &#8216;I know best&#8217; attitude&#8221; and within months they were gagging to have the arrogant lot back. Come back, all is forgiven! Just 22 months later, Fenech Adami&#8217;s arrogant lot were returned to power, with a majority of many thousands (by Maltese standards). Is there anyone anywhere in the world who is entirely satisfied with any government? At least in our country, with no pathetic coalitions, we know what we&#8217;re going to get, and it&#8217;s not Russian roulette. It&#8217;s that lot or the other lot, and you choose. Simple. I&#8217;m one of those boring people who take the long view. I rather suspect that the thinking which shapes so many people&#8217;s attitude to the government is the very same one that shapes their attitude to their spouse: a short-termist inability to foresee and assess consequences.]</strong></p>
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		By: Moggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[Daphne - You know what I think? That it&#039;s going to stay that way, because everyone wants to have a say in the matter.]

Maybe that&#039;s the best solution until we have a government which is more attuned to the country&#039;s (real) needs and to the basics of good aesthetics.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - You mean like a government made up of Joseph Muscat as prime minister, Anglu Farrugia as justice minister and Anthony &#039;tie me up&#039; Zammit as health minister? Or is there another alternative that I have failed to spot?]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Daphne &#8211; You know what I think? That it&#8217;s going to stay that way, because everyone wants to have a say in the matter.]</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s the best solution until we have a government which is more attuned to the country&#8217;s (real) needs and to the basics of good aesthetics.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; You mean like a government made up of Joseph Muscat as prime minister, Anglu Farrugia as justice minister and Anthony &#8216;tie me up&#8217; Zammit as health minister? Or is there another alternative that I have failed to spot?]</strong></p>
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		By: Ronnie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess it&#039;s a case of you reap what you sow for the government. Pullicino Orlando has now got the government by the short and curlies ... I foresee interesting times ahead.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - You can&#039;t separate trouble caused to the government from trouble caused to the country. What exactly is it that you do for a living?]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s a case of you reap what you sow for the government. Pullicino Orlando has now got the government by the short and curlies &#8230; I foresee interesting times ahead.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; You can&#8217;t separate trouble caused to the government from trouble caused to the country. What exactly is it that you do for a living?]</strong></p>
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		By: A.J. Anastasi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.J. Anastasi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are absolutely correct in saying that in St. John’s Square (to be precise where the bust of Enrico Mizzi is erected) there are no tunnels or graves or other things, but masonry material that was dumped after clearing the square from  war damage.  I remember when I was just a toddler seeing the dumping with my own eyes, including also the material of the temporary one-storey buildings, made of bricks, which were used as shops while the building in St. John Street, opposite the Co-Cathedral and square were being re-built.  I know all this because my family owned some of the shops and I used to accompany my dad then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct in saying that in St. John’s Square (to be precise where the bust of Enrico Mizzi is erected) there are no tunnels or graves or other things, but masonry material that was dumped after clearing the square from  war damage.  I remember when I was just a toddler seeing the dumping with my own eyes, including also the material of the temporary one-storey buildings, made of bricks, which were used as shops while the building in St. John Street, opposite the Co-Cathedral and square were being re-built.  I know all this because my family owned some of the shops and I used to accompany my dad then.</p>
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		By: P Shaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In his column today, Lino SPiteri states that 3 PM backbenchers were planning to vote against this project (Pullicino Orlando, Ninu Zammit and probably Mugliett). I doubt whether Cenus Galea is one of the backbenchers who is aiming to destabilise the Gonzi administration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his column today, Lino SPiteri states that 3 PM backbenchers were planning to vote against this project (Pullicino Orlando, Ninu Zammit and probably Mugliett). I doubt whether Cenus Galea is one of the backbenchers who is aiming to destabilise the Gonzi administration.</p>
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		By: Moggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, no not all projects - this project in particular. I&#039;ve basically always agreed with everything else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, no not all projects &#8211; this project in particular. I&#8217;ve basically always agreed with everything else.</p>
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		By: P Shaw		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the list of ex-ministers with a grudge it is worth pointing out the absence of Francis Zammit Dimech. I still remember his modest reply to a reporter who asked him how he feels a few days after the new cabinet was formed in March 2008. &lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I remember that reply, too. He really stood out as a gentleman, while the others came across as exceedingly ill-bred.]&lt;/strong&gt;

The ex-ministers have nothing to lose, even though it seems that they don&#039;t care about their legacy, just because of a grudge. They can&#039;t seem to comprehend that Gonzi&#039;s choice of cabinet was highly popular with the public, and the ousted ones did not have the support of the general public even though they were elected by their constituents.

It still feels strange to me that both Pullicino Orlando and Arrigo, who were quite vocal about the fact that they were not appointed ministers (remember &quot;it is not for me, but for the people who elected me&quot;?), are acting against their own long-term personal interests. They must already feel that the probability of ever forming part of the cabinet is very low, to hold such a grudge and threaten the stability of the government out of spite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the list of ex-ministers with a grudge it is worth pointing out the absence of Francis Zammit Dimech. I still remember his modest reply to a reporter who asked him how he feels a few days after the new cabinet was formed in March 2008. <strong>[Daphne &#8211; I remember that reply, too. He really stood out as a gentleman, while the others came across as exceedingly ill-bred.]</strong></p>
<p>The ex-ministers have nothing to lose, even though it seems that they don&#8217;t care about their legacy, just because of a grudge. They can&#8217;t seem to comprehend that Gonzi&#8217;s choice of cabinet was highly popular with the public, and the ousted ones did not have the support of the general public even though they were elected by their constituents.</p>
<p>It still feels strange to me that both Pullicino Orlando and Arrigo, who were quite vocal about the fact that they were not appointed ministers (remember &#8220;it is not for me, but for the people who elected me&#8221;?), are acting against their own long-term personal interests. They must already feel that the probability of ever forming part of the cabinet is very low, to hold such a grudge and threaten the stability of the government out of spite.</p>
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		By: Moggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, on civics:

I am more than aware of all this. However, it was you who first mentioned consultation. You are also jumping to the conclusion that all people who have voted for the Nationalist Party want what this Government wants, and that Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and others who were opposing the project were doing so in a vacuum - with no Nationalist voters agreeing with their point of view. On the contrary, they were probably representing quite a few of us. &lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I have no doubt that Robert Arrigo thought he was, given that he comes from Astrid-land. I can just imagine the number of Sliema people who didn&#039;t vote or who voted AD, who told him that they had voted for him. But Jeffrey certainly was not. I live in his constituency, remember, and I talk to people. Most of them haven&#039;t a clue what the fuss is all about. Secondly, as government MPs, their duty was to correctly represent the project, countering the misinformation campaign emanating from the FAA and AD. Not having done so, they failed their constituents. Please understand that what I am saying is this: there is the world of difference between objecting to an idea and objecting to a project on the basis of correct information and technical studies. I&#039;m racking my brains for a suitable analogy: let&#039;s try this exchange of views. &quot;I hate olives.&quot; &quot;Have you tasted them?&quot; &quot;No.&quot; &quot;Why not?&quot; &quot;I just don&#039;t like the look of them.&quot;]&lt;/strong&gt;

No, I have not carried out any surveys asking people whether they want a national theatre on the site of the demolished Royal Opera House, or whether they want a parliament building, but I have a hunch (and I am not often wrong) that the national theatre would win hands down. &lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Your hunch is right. It will win hands down at this point for EXACTLY the same reasons that the figure of Christ was the winning symbol for our euro-coin. Please do not tell me that you believe this is the way things should be done, and how projects should be decided.] &lt;/strong&gt;

Borrowing your own analogy, one can often very strongly suspect cancer, even without a pathology report, although, of course, the latter would lend a final and definite diagnosis.  Similarly, there&#039;s only one way to find out what people want for the Royal Opera House site. Not doing so might turn out to be a grave oversight, seeing how emotionally involved people still are with the demolished building. &lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - You know what I think? That it&#039;s going to stay that way, because everyone wants to have a say in the matter. A national theatre is not feasible, and the people who wanted Christ on our euro-coins want a national theatre. We have paid one architect and dismissed his plans already. Paying Renzo Piano and not following through on his project is going to be considerably more expensive, but I can see it coming.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, on civics:</p>
<p>I am more than aware of all this. However, it was you who first mentioned consultation. You are also jumping to the conclusion that all people who have voted for the Nationalist Party want what this Government wants, and that Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando and others who were opposing the project were doing so in a vacuum &#8211; with no Nationalist voters agreeing with their point of view. On the contrary, they were probably representing quite a few of us. <strong>[Daphne &#8211; I have no doubt that Robert Arrigo thought he was, given that he comes from Astrid-land. I can just imagine the number of Sliema people who didn&#8217;t vote or who voted AD, who told him that they had voted for him. But Jeffrey certainly was not. I live in his constituency, remember, and I talk to people. Most of them haven&#8217;t a clue what the fuss is all about. Secondly, as government MPs, their duty was to correctly represent the project, countering the misinformation campaign emanating from the FAA and AD. Not having done so, they failed their constituents. Please understand that what I am saying is this: there is the world of difference between objecting to an idea and objecting to a project on the basis of correct information and technical studies. I&#8217;m racking my brains for a suitable analogy: let&#8217;s try this exchange of views. &#8220;I hate olives.&#8221; &#8220;Have you tasted them?&#8221; &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;Why not?&#8221; &#8220;I just don&#8217;t like the look of them.&#8221;]</strong></p>
<p>No, I have not carried out any surveys asking people whether they want a national theatre on the site of the demolished Royal Opera House, or whether they want a parliament building, but I have a hunch (and I am not often wrong) that the national theatre would win hands down. <strong>[Daphne &#8211; Your hunch is right. It will win hands down at this point for EXACTLY the same reasons that the figure of Christ was the winning symbol for our euro-coin. Please do not tell me that you believe this is the way things should be done, and how projects should be decided.] </strong></p>
<p>Borrowing your own analogy, one can often very strongly suspect cancer, even without a pathology report, although, of course, the latter would lend a final and definite diagnosis.  Similarly, there&#8217;s only one way to find out what people want for the Royal Opera House site. Not doing so might turn out to be a grave oversight, seeing how emotionally involved people still are with the demolished building. <strong>[Daphne &#8211; You know what I think? That it&#8217;s going to stay that way, because everyone wants to have a say in the matter. A national theatre is not feasible, and the people who wanted Christ on our euro-coins want a national theatre. We have paid one architect and dismissed his plans already. Paying Renzo Piano and not following through on his project is going to be considerably more expensive, but I can see it coming.]</strong></p>
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		By: John Grech		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, since when do MPs and ministers consult their constituents before taking a vote? Do you think Mintoff should done so in 1998 when taking the vote for the Cottonera Waterfront? Can you please stop for one second and think? Could it be that the whole St. John Project might be a big mistake and that for once you could be wrong on the whole issue?

I would like to remind you that is not the first time that Pullicino Orlando took a stand against a project that could do more harm. I think he has qualities that no other MP has.

[&lt;strong&gt;Daphne - I kind of object to being instructed to think, since it&#039;s generally what I do. Yes, it&#039;s not the first time that he took a stand against a project, but he did so when the government was considerably more stable. Had I been in his position, and in the position of the other four MPs mentioned - Robert Arrigo, Ninu Zammit, Censu Galea and Jesmond Mugliett - I would have set out the priorities before taking a decision. One doesn&#039;t take decisions in a vacuum. It doesn&#039;t help that all five of them have a grudge and a grievance. It makes them look so cheap. I hope they understand this. It looks really bad when you come across as somebody grinding an axe.

It&#039;s actually quite disturbing how people can&#039;t separate issues. The quality of the St John&#039;s project is one issue. The way it was handled is another issue. I&#039;m not concerned with the quality of the St John&#039;s project here. I&#039;m concerned with the way the matter was handled, and the implications of Astrid Vella&#039;s politicisation of what was strictly a heritage issue. Whether it was a &quot;big mistake&quot; or not was not for us to decide on the basis of myth and rumour. There are structures in place to decide those things, and public opinion must be formed on the basis of correct information, not misinformation.

As for Mintoff, I hate the man, and I think that he behaved like a jerk, as always. As I wrote on an earlier post, you can&#039;t expect loyalty or integrity from a man who shags his brother&#039;s wife. Anyone who betrays his own brother is not going to hold back from betraying his party. People who vote against their party are heroes only to the party&#039;s enemies, except that Mintoff is never going to be a hero to me. I still despise what he did, even if it resulted in the near-miracle of EU membership. I only hope that the renegade MPs within the Nationalist Party realise that they will earn contempt from their party&#039;s supporters, not admiration, if they carry on this way - just as so many Labour supporters felt contempt for Mintoff.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, since when do MPs and ministers consult their constituents before taking a vote? Do you think Mintoff should done so in 1998 when taking the vote for the Cottonera Waterfront? Can you please stop for one second and think? Could it be that the whole St. John Project might be a big mistake and that for once you could be wrong on the whole issue?</p>
<p>I would like to remind you that is not the first time that Pullicino Orlando took a stand against a project that could do more harm. I think he has qualities that no other MP has.</p>
<p>[<strong>Daphne &#8211; I kind of object to being instructed to think, since it&#8217;s generally what I do. Yes, it&#8217;s not the first time that he took a stand against a project, but he did so when the government was considerably more stable. Had I been in his position, and in the position of the other four MPs mentioned &#8211; Robert Arrigo, Ninu Zammit, Censu Galea and Jesmond Mugliett &#8211; I would have set out the priorities before taking a decision. One doesn&#8217;t take decisions in a vacuum. It doesn&#8217;t help that all five of them have a grudge and a grievance. It makes them look so cheap. I hope they understand this. It looks really bad when you come across as somebody grinding an axe.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually quite disturbing how people can&#8217;t separate issues. The quality of the St John&#8217;s project is one issue. The way it was handled is another issue. I&#8217;m not concerned with the quality of the St John&#8217;s project here. I&#8217;m concerned with the way the matter was handled, and the implications of Astrid Vella&#8217;s politicisation of what was strictly a heritage issue. Whether it was a &#8220;big mistake&#8221; or not was not for us to decide on the basis of myth and rumour. There are structures in place to decide those things, and public opinion must be formed on the basis of correct information, not misinformation.</p>
<p>As for Mintoff, I hate the man, and I think that he behaved like a jerk, as always. As I wrote on an earlier post, you can&#8217;t expect loyalty or integrity from a man who shags his brother&#8217;s wife. Anyone who betrays his own brother is not going to hold back from betraying his party. People who vote against their party are heroes only to the party&#8217;s enemies, except that Mintoff is never going to be a hero to me. I still despise what he did, even if it resulted in the near-miracle of EU membership. I only hope that the renegade MPs within the Nationalist Party realise that they will earn contempt from their party&#8217;s supporters, not admiration, if they carry on this way &#8211; just as so many Labour supporters felt contempt for Mintoff.]</strong></p>
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		By: Pierre		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What baffles me most in all this is that our government appeases the Astrids among us at the expense of risking huge private commercial (even foreign) investment. There are projects worth millions of Euro that have been awaiting MEPA approval for years and everyone just sits there waiting for them to rot and die. Or maybe they would just take their money elsewhere and then they won’t need to take any decision. The opportunities being lost are huge and nobody bats an eyelid.

I&#039;m not saying it should be the other way around either but this blatant reverse discrimination is back firing and the PM has to carry that responsibility squarely on his shoulders.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I&#039;m so glad you brought this up, Pierre. Like you, I know how projects worth many millions are being lost on a regular basis. Like you, I know that Malta no longer attracting FDI in capital projects because of the fear of &#039;environmental&#039; groups - Smart City was an exception because it was a government initiative. And like you, I also know that even Maltese investors are taking their money elsewhere, and ploughing it into projects in the south of France, Italy, North Africa and eastern and central Europe. Some of that money would have stayed here if it weren&#039;t for a small group of people who are essentially anti-capitalist rather than &#039;environmentalist&#039;.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What baffles me most in all this is that our government appeases the Astrids among us at the expense of risking huge private commercial (even foreign) investment. There are projects worth millions of Euro that have been awaiting MEPA approval for years and everyone just sits there waiting for them to rot and die. Or maybe they would just take their money elsewhere and then they won’t need to take any decision. The opportunities being lost are huge and nobody bats an eyelid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it should be the other way around either but this blatant reverse discrimination is back firing and the PM has to carry that responsibility squarely on his shoulders.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; I&#8217;m so glad you brought this up, Pierre. Like you, I know how projects worth many millions are being lost on a regular basis. Like you, I know that Malta no longer attracting FDI in capital projects because of the fear of &#8216;environmental&#8217; groups &#8211; Smart City was an exception because it was a government initiative. And like you, I also know that even Maltese investors are taking their money elsewhere, and ploughing it into projects in the south of France, Italy, North Africa and eastern and central Europe. Some of that money would have stayed here if it weren&#8217;t for a small group of people who are essentially anti-capitalist rather than &#8216;environmentalist&#8217;.]</strong></p>
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