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		By: Ivan F. Attard		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, I still think that EP2009 and GE2008 should never be compared, but these numbers cannot be ignored. If they are the same voters, then that only means that the PN protest vote is enormous - and was expressed in various ways: abstain from voting or vote AD IE AN Libertas or Emy.

District		PL votes		PL votes
		EP 2009		GE 2008
1		10183		10688
2		13891		14847
3		13736		14237
4		12729		13508
5		12986		13571
6		11516		12090
7		11222		11528
8		8989		9309
9		7849		7928
10		7099		7390
11		7972		8209
12		8297		8398
13		9448		10185

Total		135917		141888

[&lt;strong&gt;Daphne - Nobody is ignoring them. The fact that Labour polled close to its general election totals, when taken on a district by district basis, and on a much lower turn-out, means that significant numbers of people who voted PN last year voted Labour in this election, while numbers of those who voted Labour last year stayed home, as did many of those who had voted PN. The result is not different to that of 2004, except then the anti-PN vote was split between Labour and AD and was actually higher at 58%, but on a higher turn-out of 82%. The PN total then was just over 39%. It&#039;s important to keep things in perspective. The psychological upset now is because the votes went to Labour, rather than being split between Labour and AD, and this gives Labour the chance to boast of victory. However, it is important to remember that if you are going to see this in general election terms, 2004&#039;s totals of 39% PN, 48% Labour and 9% AD would also have meant a &#039;Labour government&#039; - and that was Sant. In fact it was a major consideration in last year&#039;s election that this would happen. If AD had been successful in its campaign for votes among those who had voted for it in the EP elections, we would have had Sant as prime minister today and Joseph Muscat would be an EP candidate today.


The main point that really needs to be discussed is whether, in 2004, those 9% voted AD positively, for fun, to reward them for having missed their vote in the previous year&#039;s election, or out of anger at the government. I think it was less out of anger at the government, and more of the other things. When people want to teach the government a lesson, they vote Labour and not AD.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, I still think that EP2009 and GE2008 should never be compared, but these numbers cannot be ignored. If they are the same voters, then that only means that the PN protest vote is enormous &#8211; and was expressed in various ways: abstain from voting or vote AD IE AN Libertas or Emy.</p>
<p>District		PL votes		PL votes<br />
		EP 2009		GE 2008<br />
1		10183		10688<br />
2		13891		14847<br />
3		13736		14237<br />
4		12729		13508<br />
5		12986		13571<br />
6		11516		12090<br />
7		11222		11528<br />
8		8989		9309<br />
9		7849		7928<br />
10		7099		7390<br />
11		7972		8209<br />
12		8297		8398<br />
13		9448		10185</p>
<p>Total		135917		141888</p>
<p>[<strong>Daphne &#8211; Nobody is ignoring them. The fact that Labour polled close to its general election totals, when taken on a district by district basis, and on a much lower turn-out, means that significant numbers of people who voted PN last year voted Labour in this election, while numbers of those who voted Labour last year stayed home, as did many of those who had voted PN. The result is not different to that of 2004, except then the anti-PN vote was split between Labour and AD and was actually higher at 58%, but on a higher turn-out of 82%. The PN total then was just over 39%. It&#8217;s important to keep things in perspective. The psychological upset now is because the votes went to Labour, rather than being split between Labour and AD, and this gives Labour the chance to boast of victory. However, it is important to remember that if you are going to see this in general election terms, 2004&#8217;s totals of 39% PN, 48% Labour and 9% AD would also have meant a &#8216;Labour government&#8217; &#8211; and that was Sant. In fact it was a major consideration in last year&#8217;s election that this would happen. If AD had been successful in its campaign for votes among those who had voted for it in the EP elections, we would have had Sant as prime minister today and Joseph Muscat would be an EP candidate today.</p>
<p>The main point that really needs to be discussed is whether, in 2004, those 9% voted AD positively, for fun, to reward them for having missed their vote in the previous year&#8217;s election, or out of anger at the government. I think it was less out of anger at the government, and more of the other things. When people want to teach the government a lesson, they vote Labour and not AD.]</strong></p>
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		By: Joe Borg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The usual out of context reply, insulting in a very dainty manner.
As a matter of fact I enjoy my siesta daily.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The usual out of context reply, insulting in a very dainty manner.<br />
As a matter of fact I enjoy my siesta daily.</p>
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		By: Corinne Vella		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corinne Vella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/06/labour-in-march-2008-141888-votes-labour-in-june-2009-135917-votes/#comment-28730&quot;&gt;Joe Borg&lt;/a&gt;.

What are you on about? It sounds like you need a nice long rest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/06/labour-in-march-2008-141888-votes-labour-in-june-2009-135917-votes/#comment-28730">Joe Borg</a>.</p>
<p>What are you on about? It sounds like you need a nice long rest.</p>
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		By: Joe Borg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Corinne, I&#039;m not doubting your intelligence, but every time you don&#039;t agree with a post.,you allways &#039;tira in ballo&#039; the grammar.
Mhux xorta kull hadd fehem,nghid jien?
Strangely enough,you mentioned nothing on &#039;pjacieri&#039; instead &#039;pjaciri&#039; on the post. &quot;Ejja,go &#038; vote&quot; maybe(I said maybe) that&#039;s why the post was removed.
Hadd ma hu perfett, imma nemmen li hawn nies anqas perfetti min ohrajn, u jiena zgur wiehed minnhom]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corinne, I&#8217;m not doubting your intelligence, but every time you don&#8217;t agree with a post.,you allways &#8216;tira in ballo&#8217; the grammar.<br />
Mhux xorta kull hadd fehem,nghid jien?<br />
Strangely enough,you mentioned nothing on &#8216;pjacieri&#8217; instead &#8216;pjaciri&#8217; on the post. &#8220;Ejja,go &amp; vote&#8221; maybe(I said maybe) that&#8217;s why the post was removed.<br />
Hadd ma hu perfett, imma nemmen li hawn nies anqas perfetti min ohrajn, u jiena zgur wiehed minnhom</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/06/labour-in-march-2008-141888-votes-labour-in-june-2009-135917-votes/#comment-28719&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

Easy.

2004: 50% MLP, 40% PN, others: floaters (i.e. AD in 2004) = 10% (=5% among PN supporters, and the floaters)

2009: PN = 40%
Floaters have switched from AD to MLP, making it 50%+5%=55%

Rightwing PN supporters + protest voters = the missing 5%]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/06/labour-in-march-2008-141888-votes-labour-in-june-2009-135917-votes/#comment-28719">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>Easy.</p>
<p>2004: 50% MLP, 40% PN, others: floaters (i.e. AD in 2004) = 10% (=5% among PN supporters, and the floaters)</p>
<p>2009: PN = 40%<br />
Floaters have switched from AD to MLP, making it 50%+5%=55%</p>
<p>Rightwing PN supporters + protest voters = the missing 5%</p>
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		By: PR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne,

Joseph Muscat has many reasons to be thrilled. While your analysis is correct you are being clinical on one aspect of the campaign. What matters is the first count votes LP got relative to the first count votes of the PN. This amounts to a whopping 35,431 difference. The turnout was 78.8% - I don&#039;t imagine the turnout for the next election to be more than 10% more than this figure ie around 89%. Even if you took 10% of the eligible voters who will bother next time round to vote and cast a blue dye on every single one of them you would only net in an extra 32,246 votes for PN - still not enough to reach the whopping 35,431. As things stand PL have an insurmountable majority over PN.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Do you remember the whopping win of 1992, followed by the whopping loss of 1996? Four years are an eternity. The guiding principle should now be &#039;mohhok hemm&#039;.]&lt;/strong&gt;

It was the worst PN campaign ever - you don&#039;t place work as the central theme of your campaign in the middle of a recession (I had pointed this out weeks ago). I can only think of Mugabe having a campaign based on food supplies as being more foolish. Some of the new faces at Dar Centrali may need to make way for more competent people.

The PM should consider introducing policies which will win the young voters - eg divorce. It&#039;s a pity that in the first twelve months of this legislature PM Gonzi far from being out of control took historical decisions long in coming - the shipyards were privatised, the rent laws are to be amended and the opera house is to be rebuilt. It is also a pity that those who worked so hard to keep us out of the EU have been rewarded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne,</p>
<p>Joseph Muscat has many reasons to be thrilled. While your analysis is correct you are being clinical on one aspect of the campaign. What matters is the first count votes LP got relative to the first count votes of the PN. This amounts to a whopping 35,431 difference. The turnout was 78.8% &#8211; I don&#8217;t imagine the turnout for the next election to be more than 10% more than this figure ie around 89%. Even if you took 10% of the eligible voters who will bother next time round to vote and cast a blue dye on every single one of them you would only net in an extra 32,246 votes for PN &#8211; still not enough to reach the whopping 35,431. As things stand PL have an insurmountable majority over PN.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Do you remember the whopping win of 1992, followed by the whopping loss of 1996? Four years are an eternity. The guiding principle should now be &#8216;mohhok hemm&#8217;.]</strong></p>
<p>It was the worst PN campaign ever &#8211; you don&#8217;t place work as the central theme of your campaign in the middle of a recession (I had pointed this out weeks ago). I can only think of Mugabe having a campaign based on food supplies as being more foolish. Some of the new faces at Dar Centrali may need to make way for more competent people.</p>
<p>The PM should consider introducing policies which will win the young voters &#8211; eg divorce. It&#8217;s a pity that in the first twelve months of this legislature PM Gonzi far from being out of control took historical decisions long in coming &#8211; the shipyards were privatised, the rent laws are to be amended and the opera house is to be rebuilt. It is also a pity that those who worked so hard to keep us out of the EU have been rewarded.</p>
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		By: Roma		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why is everyone amazed at this election being compared to a general election? We have people who actually have the gall to start screaming for a general election now because they claim to have the majority. So yes, it&#039;s right to count heads and remind the Labour Party that no one is rushing over to vote Labour.

People are just not &#039;loving&#039; the current government and would like to express it in a safe way. The governing party is and can never be popular but a quick head count definitely shows that Labour are not really the party people are hoping will be their new government.

The Maltese people wish they had an alternative to the PN but at the moment we definitely do not. Carcades come cheap but if people only think - seeing them, don&#039;t you just wish that won&#039;t happen in a general election?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone amazed at this election being compared to a general election? We have people who actually have the gall to start screaming for a general election now because they claim to have the majority. So yes, it&#8217;s right to count heads and remind the Labour Party that no one is rushing over to vote Labour.</p>
<p>People are just not &#8216;loving&#8217; the current government and would like to express it in a safe way. The governing party is and can never be popular but a quick head count definitely shows that Labour are not really the party people are hoping will be their new government.</p>
<p>The Maltese people wish they had an alternative to the PN but at the moment we definitely do not. Carcades come cheap but if people only think &#8211; seeing them, don&#8217;t you just wish that won&#8217;t happen in a general election?</p>
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		By: Joachim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Right across Europe, the governing parties have taken a hammering in these elections&#039;

I don&#039;t agree Daphne. Although many suspected that this would happen, it only happened in a handful of countries like Britain, Spain, Hungary and Latvia where the economic situation is really bad (much worse than that of Malta). On the whole, most of the governing parties, like those of Poland, Germany, France, Italy and more, enjoyed victories. I must also add, that the right emerged as the big winner while the left suffered huge losses.
I think the Nationalists would be fools if they don&#039;t analise the elections across the EU better. For one thing, they should stop saying that the European governing parties have taken a hammering, especially since many right wing governing parties emerged as the winners!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Right across Europe, the governing parties have taken a hammering in these elections&#8217;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree Daphne. Although many suspected that this would happen, it only happened in a handful of countries like Britain, Spain, Hungary and Latvia where the economic situation is really bad (much worse than that of Malta). On the whole, most of the governing parties, like those of Poland, Germany, France, Italy and more, enjoyed victories. I must also add, that the right emerged as the big winner while the left suffered huge losses.<br />
I think the Nationalists would be fools if they don&#8217;t analise the elections across the EU better. For one thing, they should stop saying that the European governing parties have taken a hammering, especially since many right wing governing parties emerged as the winners!</p>
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		By: Charles Vella		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New doubts on destination of sixth seat in EP elections:

It seems after all that NP will not get the 6th seat.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090608/local/new-doubts-on-destination-of-sixth-seat-in-ep-elections]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New doubts on destination of sixth seat in EP elections:</p>
<p>It seems after all that NP will not get the 6th seat.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090608/local/new-doubts-on-destination-of-sixth-seat-in-ep-elections" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090608/local/new-doubts-on-destination-of-sixth-seat-in-ep-elections</a></p>
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		By: Pierre Farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/06/labour-in-march-2008-141888-votes-labour-in-june-2009-135917-votes/#comment-28706&quot;&gt;Pierre Farrugia&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe because I am neither here nor there.  This is an EP election and as long as the best candidates are elected from both sides, I am pretty much indifferent to any other interpretation of the result.  Four years is an eternity in political terms.

We needed to elect the best candidates, I hope we did although that is yet to be seen. For me it is end of story.

This blog is still very entertaining though!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/06/labour-in-march-2008-141888-votes-labour-in-june-2009-135917-votes/#comment-28706">Pierre Farrugia</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe because I am neither here nor there.  This is an EP election and as long as the best candidates are elected from both sides, I am pretty much indifferent to any other interpretation of the result.  Four years is an eternity in political terms.</p>
<p>We needed to elect the best candidates, I hope we did although that is yet to be seen. For me it is end of story.</p>
<p>This blog is still very entertaining though!</p>
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