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		By: J Azzopardi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Azzopardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Biex tingħeleb l-injuranza hemm bżonn l-edukazzjoni. F&#039;kull issue li jkun hawn din is-sentenza tagħmel ħafna sens. Hija ħaġa kerha li fl-iskejjel tagħna u f&#039;postijiet oħra nisimgħu u naraw diskriminazzjoni fuq nies li huma ta&#039; kulur, fuq nies li huma bojod, fuq nies li għandhom difett u fuq oħrajn li m&#039;għandhomx. Id-diskriminazzjoni issir fuq min issir hija dejjem ħażina.

Jekk jien bħala individwu qed niġi iddiskriminat għandi kull dritt bħala ċittadin Ewropew u Dinji li nwassal il-libell fl-ogħla awtoritajiet. U min hemm wieħed irid jibda. Iżda jekk sfortunatament dawn ma jisimawkx allura hemm bżonn li b&#039;mod ċivili twassal messaġ li int qed tiġi iddiskriminat u għalhekk f&#039; pajjiżi demokratiċi hemm liġi li taċċetta li jsiru dimostrazzjonijiet jew protesti.

Lili personali ma taffettwanix jekk fil-belt kienx hemm Gay Parade jew id-dimostrazzjoni bil-bambin tal-Museum. Jinterresani biss li kull individwu għandu drittijiet l-istess.

Naħseb li wieħed għandu jiġġielled għad-drittijiet tal-bniedem, u l-enfasi fuq ir-rispett lejn għajrek, u lejn ħutek il-bnedmin.

Hija ħasra li niżżufjetaw  b&#039;nies li forsi ma niklassifikawomx bħala &#039;normali&#039;. Il-ħajja sfortunatament hekk hi &#039;taqla u tagħti&#039; u tgħix fi fraternita li wieħed jgħin lil ieħor u jaqsam ġidu u mħabbtu flimkien hija biss utopia.

Il-kliem tagħna ma tantx jgħin għax jekk xi ħadd jinsik tgħidlu...mela jien iswed, u jekk ma jżommx kelmtu...tgħidlu li ma kontx pufta..... u xi ħadd biex jinki lil xi ħaddieħor jgħidlu...gay (jekk naqra pulit :P)  ...u jekk bin-nuċċali (bħali)...qauttrocchi ....u jekk l-għalliem jisma&#039; l-għajjat fil-klassi...jgħid mela torox jew!!! u kumplament ta&#039; kliem li jweġġgħu lin-nies.... u dan l-aħħar daħlet oħra fost iż-żgħar....jgħidulek hemm ara x&#039; waqagħlek u kif tħares jgħidulek il-gay card!! u kulħadd jidħaq. U anki l-kelma ħandikkapat għada tintuża ħafna fl-iskejjel u jien ngħallem fi skola li suppost hija tal-puliti u l-intelletwali.

Jekk nibdew minnha stess inkunu aktar attenti għal dawn il-kliem li huma popolari u li jweġġgħu, u ngħallmu lil uliedna biex jużaw kliem aħjar jew ma jużawhomx inkunu qed nagħmlu ħafna ġid u innaqqsu ħafna uġiegħ lil tant nies.....(niftakar kemm kont inweġġgħa meta jgħajjruni għax bin-nuċċali....u xi kliem bħala ....mela għami...jew mela ma tarax!!)

Grazzi]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biex tingħeleb l-injuranza hemm bżonn l-edukazzjoni. F&#8217;kull issue li jkun hawn din is-sentenza tagħmel ħafna sens. Hija ħaġa kerha li fl-iskejjel tagħna u f&#8217;postijiet oħra nisimgħu u naraw diskriminazzjoni fuq nies li huma ta&#8217; kulur, fuq nies li huma bojod, fuq nies li għandhom difett u fuq oħrajn li m&#8217;għandhomx. Id-diskriminazzjoni issir fuq min issir hija dejjem ħażina.</p>
<p>Jekk jien bħala individwu qed niġi iddiskriminat għandi kull dritt bħala ċittadin Ewropew u Dinji li nwassal il-libell fl-ogħla awtoritajiet. U min hemm wieħed irid jibda. Iżda jekk sfortunatament dawn ma jisimawkx allura hemm bżonn li b&#8217;mod ċivili twassal messaġ li int qed tiġi iddiskriminat u għalhekk f&#8217; pajjiżi demokratiċi hemm liġi li taċċetta li jsiru dimostrazzjonijiet jew protesti.</p>
<p>Lili personali ma taffettwanix jekk fil-belt kienx hemm Gay Parade jew id-dimostrazzjoni bil-bambin tal-Museum. Jinterresani biss li kull individwu għandu drittijiet l-istess.</p>
<p>Naħseb li wieħed għandu jiġġielled għad-drittijiet tal-bniedem, u l-enfasi fuq ir-rispett lejn għajrek, u lejn ħutek il-bnedmin.</p>
<p>Hija ħasra li niżżufjetaw  b&#8217;nies li forsi ma niklassifikawomx bħala &#8216;normali&#8217;. Il-ħajja sfortunatament hekk hi &#8216;taqla u tagħti&#8217; u tgħix fi fraternita li wieħed jgħin lil ieħor u jaqsam ġidu u mħabbtu flimkien hija biss utopia.</p>
<p>Il-kliem tagħna ma tantx jgħin għax jekk xi ħadd jinsik tgħidlu&#8230;mela jien iswed, u jekk ma jżommx kelmtu&#8230;tgħidlu li ma kontx pufta&#8230;.. u xi ħadd biex jinki lil xi ħaddieħor jgħidlu&#8230;gay (jekk naqra pulit :P)  &#8230;u jekk bin-nuċċali (bħali)&#8230;qauttrocchi &#8230;.u jekk l-għalliem jisma&#8217; l-għajjat fil-klassi&#8230;jgħid mela torox jew!!! u kumplament ta&#8217; kliem li jweġġgħu lin-nies&#8230;. u dan l-aħħar daħlet oħra fost iż-żgħar&#8230;.jgħidulek hemm ara x&#8217; waqagħlek u kif tħares jgħidulek il-gay card!! u kulħadd jidħaq. U anki l-kelma ħandikkapat għada tintuża ħafna fl-iskejjel u jien ngħallem fi skola li suppost hija tal-puliti u l-intelletwali.</p>
<p>Jekk nibdew minnha stess inkunu aktar attenti għal dawn il-kliem li huma popolari u li jweġġgħu, u ngħallmu lil uliedna biex jużaw kliem aħjar jew ma jużawhomx inkunu qed nagħmlu ħafna ġid u innaqqsu ħafna uġiegħ lil tant nies&#8230;..(niftakar kemm kont inweġġgħa meta jgħajjruni għax bin-nuċċali&#8230;.u xi kliem bħala &#8230;.mela għami&#8230;jew mela ma tarax!!)</p>
<p>Grazzi</p>
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		By: Libertas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libertas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are so right, Daphne. May I add: gay Maltese, particularly young gays, would be better served by a serious gay lobby that addresses the real problems gay people face in Malta. While there is legal equality for gays, there is still stigma and bullying of gay young men and women in schools, sport clubs and other places where young people mix. This is what surveys by the MGRM have found.  Posturing in pink in gay pride parades is definitely not addressing these problems, and possibly making them worse, portraying gay people (particularly gay young men) as silly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so right, Daphne. May I add: gay Maltese, particularly young gays, would be better served by a serious gay lobby that addresses the real problems gay people face in Malta. While there is legal equality for gays, there is still stigma and bullying of gay young men and women in schools, sport clubs and other places where young people mix. This is what surveys by the MGRM have found.  Posturing in pink in gay pride parades is definitely not addressing these problems, and possibly making them worse, portraying gay people (particularly gay young men) as silly.</p>
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		By: Mark		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31144&quot;&gt;stefan&lt;/a&gt;.

oh for heaven&#039; s sake stop digging]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31144">stefan</a>.</p>
<p>oh for heaven&#8217; s sake stop digging</p>
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		By: Andrea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195&quot;&gt;Mark Grech&lt;/a&gt;.

@C.Attard
Believe me, a woman still has to be brave in a man&#039;s world, these days, as for example there still is a gender wage gap in a modern country like Germany.  And my point was that the suffragettes didn&#039;t parade in string tangas in order to fight for their rights. That would have been counterproductive and absurd. I wouldn&#039;t want to trivialise the great achievements of the women&#039;s liberation movement by dancing away in a kinky carnival costume.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195">Mark Grech</a>.</p>
<p>@C.Attard<br />
Believe me, a woman still has to be brave in a man&#8217;s world, these days, as for example there still is a gender wage gap in a modern country like Germany.  And my point was that the suffragettes didn&#8217;t parade in string tangas in order to fight for their rights. That would have been counterproductive and absurd. I wouldn&#8217;t want to trivialise the great achievements of the women&#8217;s liberation movement by dancing away in a kinky carnival costume.</p>
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		By: John Schembri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Schembri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195&quot;&gt;Mark Grech&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Mark, I cannot understand exactly what rights gay people want. I understand that gay people who love each other want to seal their bond in front of society. I would call this a &#039;union&#039;. But are gay couples expecting the right to adopt children who are pro-created by a different  (heterosexual) union?

Wherever possible, society  needs children to be born and brought up in the natural environment of a heterosexual couple. Nature itself does not let gay  couples pro-create. A really good economist once made me realise that children are the best resource for our economy,&quot;that is why we give stipends to our students&quot; the economist emphasised.

I think that society or &quot;the common good&quot; wouldn&#039;t gain anything from a gay marriage. So as far as the welfare state is concerned I cannot see any &#039;&quot;rights&quot; for gays in this field. The welfare state encourages through social benefits heterosexual marriage because that&#039;s the only means we can get our main economical resource. In a scenario of a country without children being born an economy would be doomed to collapse.

I see an advantage in civil partnership for one of the partners of a gay couple if s/he is kicked out of the house owned by the other party. Automatic inheritance rights come also to mind. I cannot agree more with this type of legal right which can be extended to a brother-sister relationship.

One has to keep in mind that the legislator&#039;s biggest concern is the common good. There are many &#039;injustices&#039; which people suffer in the name of the &quot;common good&quot;, and amongst them there are heterosexuals.

Life is tough for everybody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195">Mark Grech</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Mark, I cannot understand exactly what rights gay people want. I understand that gay people who love each other want to seal their bond in front of society. I would call this a &#8216;union&#8217;. But are gay couples expecting the right to adopt children who are pro-created by a different  (heterosexual) union?</p>
<p>Wherever possible, society  needs children to be born and brought up in the natural environment of a heterosexual couple. Nature itself does not let gay  couples pro-create. A really good economist once made me realise that children are the best resource for our economy,&#8221;that is why we give stipends to our students&#8221; the economist emphasised.</p>
<p>I think that society or &#8220;the common good&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t gain anything from a gay marriage. So as far as the welfare state is concerned I cannot see any &#8216;&#8221;rights&#8221; for gays in this field. The welfare state encourages through social benefits heterosexual marriage because that&#8217;s the only means we can get our main economical resource. In a scenario of a country without children being born an economy would be doomed to collapse.</p>
<p>I see an advantage in civil partnership for one of the partners of a gay couple if s/he is kicked out of the house owned by the other party. Automatic inheritance rights come also to mind. I cannot agree more with this type of legal right which can be extended to a brother-sister relationship.</p>
<p>One has to keep in mind that the legislator&#8217;s biggest concern is the common good. There are many &#8216;injustices&#8217; which people suffer in the name of the &#8220;common good&#8221;, and amongst them there are heterosexuals.</p>
<p>Life is tough for everybody.</p>
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		By: Jakov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jakov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oscar Wilde comes in from the cold…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1200167/Vatican-does-U-turn-praise-Oscar-Wilde.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar Wilde comes in from the cold…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1200167/Vatican-does-U-turn-praise-Oscar-Wilde.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1200167/Vatican-does-U-turn-praise-Oscar-Wilde.html</a></p>
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		By: C Attard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C Attard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195&quot;&gt;Mark Grech&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Andrea: you&#039;ve never had to parade because there were braver women before you who did all of that for you. That&#039;s the whole point. Most gender inequalities have been addresssed legally, though social prejudice and discrimination still exist. For gays, this still hasn&#039;t happened; hence the need to march.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195">Mark Grech</a>.</p>
<p>@ Andrea: you&#8217;ve never had to parade because there were braver women before you who did all of that for you. That&#8217;s the whole point. Most gender inequalities have been addresssed legally, though social prejudice and discrimination still exist. For gays, this still hasn&#8217;t happened; hence the need to march.</p>
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		By: Justin BB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin BB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Denying persons of a minority class the right to sexual expression in the only way available to them, even if that way is denied to all, remains discriminatory when persons of a majority class are permitted the right to sexual expression in a way natural to them. During the course of submissions, it was described as ‘disguised discrimination’. It is, I think, an apt description. It is disguised discrimination founded on a single base: sexual orientation.”

Leung T.C. William Roy v Secretary for Justice (HK)  [2006] 4 HKLRD 211 at [48]; [2006] HKCA 106 at [48].

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Yes, Justin, that&#039;s why that particular law was rescinded rather long ago, and why there were no prosecutions for generations before that. Adulterers faced criminal prosecution, too - did you know that? It was the climate of the times, and it had nothing to do with the special victimisation of homosexuals. After all, nobody - including the law - gave a damn about lesbians. But in the male world view - including the male world view of homosexuals - the word &#039;man&#039;  encompasses everyone. So that&#039;s an interesting twist to think about: that the law discriminated against male homosexuals leaving the lesbians to do as they pleased. Iss hej, mhux fier.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Denying persons of a minority class the right to sexual expression in the only way available to them, even if that way is denied to all, remains discriminatory when persons of a majority class are permitted the right to sexual expression in a way natural to them. During the course of submissions, it was described as ‘disguised discrimination’. It is, I think, an apt description. It is disguised discrimination founded on a single base: sexual orientation.”</p>
<p>Leung T.C. William Roy v Secretary for Justice (HK)  [2006] 4 HKLRD 211 at [48]; [2006] HKCA 106 at [48].</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Yes, Justin, that&#8217;s why that particular law was rescinded rather long ago, and why there were no prosecutions for generations before that. Adulterers faced criminal prosecution, too &#8211; did you know that? It was the climate of the times, and it had nothing to do with the special victimisation of homosexuals. After all, nobody &#8211; including the law &#8211; gave a damn about lesbians. But in the male world view &#8211; including the male world view of homosexuals &#8211; the word &#8216;man&#8217;  encompasses everyone. So that&#8217;s an interesting twist to think about: that the law discriminated against male homosexuals leaving the lesbians to do as they pleased. Iss hej, mhux fier.]</strong></p>
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		By: Justin BB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin BB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quite apart from the fact that the distinction between the prohibition of sodomy and homosexual acts is strained at best, the fact is that it was not only sodomy that was illegal (and in several former British colonies still is), but also “unnatural offences” and “gross indecency between male persons”.  It is therefore undeniable that there existed/s both overt and thinly veiled legal discrimination against homosexuals.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - You&#039;re thinking like a man, I&#039;m afraid, and leaving women out of the loop. &quot;Overt and thinly veiled legal discrimination against homosexuals&quot; - you&#039;ve forgotten that not all homosexuals are men. There is no mention of gross indecency between women here. Why? It&#039;s not because the Victorians knew nothing of lesbians, but because what they had in mind was precisely sodomy.]
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See M Kirby, &#039;Legal discrimination against homosexuals - a blind spot of the Commonwealth of Nations?&#039; (2009) European Human Rights Law Review 21.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite apart from the fact that the distinction between the prohibition of sodomy and homosexual acts is strained at best, the fact is that it was not only sodomy that was illegal (and in several former British colonies still is), but also “unnatural offences” and “gross indecency between male persons”.  It is therefore undeniable that there existed/s both overt and thinly veiled legal discrimination against homosexuals.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; You&#8217;re thinking like a man, I&#8217;m afraid, and leaving women out of the loop. &#8220;Overt and thinly veiled legal discrimination against homosexuals&#8221; &#8211; you&#8217;ve forgotten that not all homosexuals are men. There is no mention of gross indecency between women here. Why? It&#8217;s not because the Victorians knew nothing of lesbians, but because what they had in mind was precisely sodomy.]<br />
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See M Kirby, &#8216;Legal discrimination against homosexuals &#8211; a blind spot of the Commonwealth of Nations?&#8217; (2009) European Human Rights Law Review 21.</p>
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		By: Antoine Vella		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antoine Vella]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195&quot;&gt;Mark Grech&lt;/a&gt;.

Which equality issues ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/im-gayer-than-you-are-ok/#comment-31195">Mark Grech</a>.</p>
<p>Which equality issues ?</p>
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