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		By: A Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 18:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s great that this ruling was put in place. To be honest most people I know view the Maltese as peasants with the sort of behaviour they show at beaches and their ranting and carrying on if you dare tell someone to put their garbage in the bin.

My wife and I made the mistake of telling an adult lady with her two sons to take her plastic bag with her, after we politely told her she had &quot;left&quot; it there. She ignored us, and we honestly thought she had left something valuable there.

We picked up the bag, and noticed it was just full of rubbish, and we walked to her and told her. She then said &quot;Doesn&#039;t matter, the rubbish too far away from here&quot;.

There are masses of uneducated dopes who make the intelligent on the island look bad. What is it about Maltese? You have such a beautiful island, but you make yourselves look like 3rd world people. It&#039;s so sad!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great that this ruling was put in place. To be honest most people I know view the Maltese as peasants with the sort of behaviour they show at beaches and their ranting and carrying on if you dare tell someone to put their garbage in the bin.</p>
<p>My wife and I made the mistake of telling an adult lady with her two sons to take her plastic bag with her, after we politely told her she had &#8220;left&#8221; it there. She ignored us, and we honestly thought she had left something valuable there.</p>
<p>We picked up the bag, and noticed it was just full of rubbish, and we walked to her and told her. She then said &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t matter, the rubbish too far away from here&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are masses of uneducated dopes who make the intelligent on the island look bad. What is it about Maltese? You have such a beautiful island, but you make yourselves look like 3rd world people. It&#8217;s so sad!</p>
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		By: Nicholas Parnis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People get the governments and the laws they deserve. This one&#039;s been coming, and well done to the mayor of Mellieha for taking this stand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People get the governments and the laws they deserve. This one&#8217;s been coming, and well done to the mayor of Mellieha for taking this stand.</p>
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		By: Jeremy J Camilleri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy J Camilleri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for the doctors, whilst thanking you for your kind offer, I&#039;d rather use my own if you don&#039;t mind.

I wouldn&#039;t like to fall ill on a Monday morning and have my MD unavailable because he&#039;s at Ghadira bay picking up syringes.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the doctors, whilst thanking you for your kind offer, I&#8217;d rather use my own if you don&#8217;t mind.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t like to fall ill on a Monday morning and have my MD unavailable because he&#8217;s at Ghadira bay picking up syringes&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Jeremy J Camilleri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy J Camilleri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mario De Bono..once again, the reasons you put forward are not direct results of family barbecues. Why is it so hard for you to understand something so simple?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mario De Bono..once again, the reasons you put forward are not direct results of family barbecues. Why is it so hard for you to understand something so simple?</p>
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		By: Mario De Bono		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mario De Bono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeremy, everybody knows in this blog that my busness is pharmacies, including Mellieha. I can give you several telephone numbers of doctors of your bent if you wish, that is lefties. I can also give you right-wing doctors&#039; telephone numbers but I really don&#039;t believe that you&#039;d believe them.

Call them yourself and see what they have to deal with come Sunday or Monday morning. The syringes are the worst health hazard on that beach, but not the only one.

They also have to deal with the occasional, but not infrequent, bad trip down at the beach at night. Admittedly not just Ghadira beach.

When I was younger, people used to go to the beach to surreptitiously smoke a joint, set a bonfire and play the guitar. Today&#039;s version is a full-blown disco, with lights, generator, barbecue and hard drugs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, everybody knows in this blog that my busness is pharmacies, including Mellieha. I can give you several telephone numbers of doctors of your bent if you wish, that is lefties. I can also give you right-wing doctors&#8217; telephone numbers but I really don&#8217;t believe that you&#8217;d believe them.</p>
<p>Call them yourself and see what they have to deal with come Sunday or Monday morning. The syringes are the worst health hazard on that beach, but not the only one.</p>
<p>They also have to deal with the occasional, but not infrequent, bad trip down at the beach at night. Admittedly not just Ghadira beach.</p>
<p>When I was younger, people used to go to the beach to surreptitiously smoke a joint, set a bonfire and play the guitar. Today&#8217;s version is a full-blown disco, with lights, generator, barbecue and hard drugs.</p>
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		By: Jeremy J Camilleri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy J Camilleri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, public spaces should never be taken over....by anybody...You must admit that the promises made before last elections to boathouse owners in certain areas, and apparently by both parties, means that, well, public spaces are taken over by small minorities.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I agree with you, Jeremy. I can&#039;t stand the argument that the &#039;little man&#039; has the right to take over public space by the sea because he can&#039;t afford a villa or a holiday. Or that he has the right to hold a barbecue on the water&#039;s edge because he can&#039;t afford the prices in five-star hotels. Boathouses and shacks by the sea are a hangover from the days when people didn&#039;t have cars and &#039;had to&#039; decamp to the coast for the entire three months of summer - a sort of slum version of the &#039;summer villas&#039; in St Paul&#039;s Bay and Sliema used by the upper middle classes. Now every household has one car or three or four, and there is no longer any excuse. As I once told one comfortably-off person who insists on that way of summer life, and who lives quite close to where I do, when he complained: if I can drive my children to the beach every day and drive them back home again, your wife can do the same. After all, she&#039;s got a car and money for petrol.]&lt;/strong&gt;


Mario...about the syringes and all the rest....eliminated now are they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, public spaces should never be taken over&#8230;.by anybody&#8230;You must admit that the promises made before last elections to boathouse owners in certain areas, and apparently by both parties, means that, well, public spaces are taken over by small minorities.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; I agree with you, Jeremy. I can&#8217;t stand the argument that the &#8216;little man&#8217; has the right to take over public space by the sea because he can&#8217;t afford a villa or a holiday. Or that he has the right to hold a barbecue on the water&#8217;s edge because he can&#8217;t afford the prices in five-star hotels. Boathouses and shacks by the sea are a hangover from the days when people didn&#8217;t have cars and &#8216;had to&#8217; decamp to the coast for the entire three months of summer &#8211; a sort of slum version of the &#8216;summer villas&#8217; in St Paul&#8217;s Bay and Sliema used by the upper middle classes. Now every household has one car or three or four, and there is no longer any excuse. As I once told one comfortably-off person who insists on that way of summer life, and who lives quite close to where I do, when he complained: if I can drive my children to the beach every day and drive them back home again, your wife can do the same. After all, she&#8217;s got a car and money for petrol.]</strong></p>
<p>Mario&#8230;about the syringes and all the rest&#8230;.eliminated now are they?</p>
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		By: Lorna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m all for banning barbecues on all beaches - sandy beaches especially. However, make no mistake: people can be rowdy without the actual barbecue set.

I feel so frustrated that wherever you go you have to put up with noise and high-volume music from your neighbours. It&#039;s bad enough to be surrounded by noise everywhere we go - but why can&#039;t we simply enjoy the sunset or just sitting on the beach in silence? The sound of the saves lapping up to the sandy beaches, the loud sound of silence as an Italian author once wrote, the applause of silence to the grandeur of nature.

If it&#039;s before 11p.m. one has no chance in hell of having one&#039;s &quot;right to silence&quot; respected.  The police tell you to stick with it till 11p.m. Why do people have the right to be noisy but people do not have the right to silence and peace?

So, hats off to the mayor of Ghadira.  But let&#039;s ensure that the beach is no longer polluted - and this includes noise pollution, day and night.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for banning barbecues on all beaches &#8211; sandy beaches especially. However, make no mistake: people can be rowdy without the actual barbecue set.</p>
<p>I feel so frustrated that wherever you go you have to put up with noise and high-volume music from your neighbours. It&#8217;s bad enough to be surrounded by noise everywhere we go &#8211; but why can&#8217;t we simply enjoy the sunset or just sitting on the beach in silence? The sound of the saves lapping up to the sandy beaches, the loud sound of silence as an Italian author once wrote, the applause of silence to the grandeur of nature.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s before 11p.m. one has no chance in hell of having one&#8217;s &#8220;right to silence&#8221; respected.  The police tell you to stick with it till 11p.m. Why do people have the right to be noisy but people do not have the right to silence and peace?</p>
<p>So, hats off to the mayor of Ghadira.  But let&#8217;s ensure that the beach is no longer polluted &#8211; and this includes noise pollution, day and night.</p>
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		By: Mario Debono		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mario Debono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/the-beach-barbecue-malta%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98tragedy-of-the-commons%e2%80%99/#comment-31017&quot;&gt;Jeremy J Camilleri&lt;/a&gt;.

This Jeremy is more intent on scoring points than on discussion. I thought he was more in favour of the masses than this. In his haste at scoring points off the GRTU and the PN he just trips over his own feet. Ghadira is enjoyable in the evenings now without the few who were spoiling it for the many. Mr Camilleri is arguing in favour of the few who had made Ghadira their own with their &#039;tersaqx l-hawn ghax indamdmuk&#039; attitude. At least you have to admire the fact that the guy is one of the few elves who use their own name.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/the-beach-barbecue-malta%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98tragedy-of-the-commons%e2%80%99/#comment-31017">Jeremy J Camilleri</a>.</p>
<p>This Jeremy is more intent on scoring points than on discussion. I thought he was more in favour of the masses than this. In his haste at scoring points off the GRTU and the PN he just trips over his own feet. Ghadira is enjoyable in the evenings now without the few who were spoiling it for the many. Mr Camilleri is arguing in favour of the few who had made Ghadira their own with their &#8216;tersaqx l-hawn ghax indamdmuk&#8217; attitude. At least you have to admire the fact that the guy is one of the few elves who use their own name.</p>
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		By: Jeremy J Camilleri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy J Camilleri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mario De bono...Seal them off from people who abuse drugs or are stoned....So GRTU have a drug radar? Prosit. Perhaps you&#039;d like to lend it out to the cops, seeing that you&#039;re doing their job...seal off beaches indeed!

[&lt;strong&gt;Daphne - Jeremy, I can see where you&#039;re coming from, but you have to admit that Ghadira is a lot more pleasant in the evening now - for the majority, rather than the minority, and as a socialist you have to see the benefit in that. Or are today&#039;s Maltese socialists thinking along the lines of taking over public spaces for privileged minorities on a first-come, first-served basis?]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mario De bono&#8230;Seal them off from people who abuse drugs or are stoned&#8230;.So GRTU have a drug radar? Prosit. Perhaps you&#8217;d like to lend it out to the cops, seeing that you&#8217;re doing their job&#8230;seal off beaches indeed!</p>
<p>[<strong>Daphne &#8211; Jeremy, I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, but you have to admit that Ghadira is a lot more pleasant in the evening now &#8211; for the majority, rather than the minority, and as a socialist you have to see the benefit in that. Or are today&#8217;s Maltese socialists thinking along the lines of taking over public spaces for privileged minorities on a first-come, first-served basis?]</strong></p>
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		By: J Azzopardi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Azzopardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/the-beach-barbecue-malta%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98tragedy-of-the-commons%e2%80%99/#comment-31010&quot;&gt;Joseph Micallef&lt;/a&gt;.

Sfortunatament Baħar iċ-Ċagħaq reġa ġie l-istess jew aktar agħar milli kien. Mort din il-ġimgħa u rajt caravans bil-parapett madwarhom magħmulin mill-injam jew forsi sempliċiment palettes tat-tgħabbija f&#039;forma kwadra li tieħu 3 parkings u ħadd ma jista&#039; jersaq &#039;l hemm.

Madwar baħar iċ-Ċagħaq it-triq fiha xi daħliet li wieħed jista jipparkja u jagħmel piknik hemm hekk għax hemm l-imwejjed ta&#039; l-injam. Jekk tgħaddi minn hemm tara ruxmata nies fuq xulxin jagħmlu l-barbeque fuq il-bankina.

Ma ninswex li f&#039;Baħar iċ-Ċagħaq hemm il-Magħtab li mhix twarrad iżda tinten...u ma naħsibx li BBQ hemm huwa pjaċevoli :)

U l-BBQ mhux ta&#039; xi klassi soċjali jew oħra iżda ta&#039; ħafna Maltin li ġejjin minn kull qasam soċjali.

Huwa sew li ċertu bajjiet l-aktar fejn hemm ir-ramel jkunu protteti imma ma naħsibx li minħabba l-injuranza ta&#039; xi wħud għandu jeħel kulħadd.

X&#039;hemm ħażin imbilli jien u l-familja nagħmlu BBQ, inżommu nadif, mingħajr ebda storbju, mingħajr sigaretti mxerrdin ma kullimkien, mingħajr generator, mingħajr fliexken mkissrin u nieħdu spazju limitat?

Il-bniedem biex jegħleb l-injuranza għandu bżonn it-tagħlim. U l-moderazzjoni hija virtu f&#039;kull ħaġa li wieħed jagħmel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/07/the-beach-barbecue-malta%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98tragedy-of-the-commons%e2%80%99/#comment-31010">Joseph Micallef</a>.</p>
<p>Sfortunatament Baħar iċ-Ċagħaq reġa ġie l-istess jew aktar agħar milli kien. Mort din il-ġimgħa u rajt caravans bil-parapett madwarhom magħmulin mill-injam jew forsi sempliċiment palettes tat-tgħabbija f&#8217;forma kwadra li tieħu 3 parkings u ħadd ma jista&#8217; jersaq &#8216;l hemm.</p>
<p>Madwar baħar iċ-Ċagħaq it-triq fiha xi daħliet li wieħed jista jipparkja u jagħmel piknik hemm hekk għax hemm l-imwejjed ta&#8217; l-injam. Jekk tgħaddi minn hemm tara ruxmata nies fuq xulxin jagħmlu l-barbeque fuq il-bankina.</p>
<p>Ma ninswex li f&#8217;Baħar iċ-Ċagħaq hemm il-Magħtab li mhix twarrad iżda tinten&#8230;u ma naħsibx li BBQ hemm huwa pjaċevoli :)</p>
<p>U l-BBQ mhux ta&#8217; xi klassi soċjali jew oħra iżda ta&#8217; ħafna Maltin li ġejjin minn kull qasam soċjali.</p>
<p>Huwa sew li ċertu bajjiet l-aktar fejn hemm ir-ramel jkunu protteti imma ma naħsibx li minħabba l-injuranza ta&#8217; xi wħud għandu jeħel kulħadd.</p>
<p>X&#8217;hemm ħażin imbilli jien u l-familja nagħmlu BBQ, inżommu nadif, mingħajr ebda storbju, mingħajr sigaretti mxerrdin ma kullimkien, mingħajr generator, mingħajr fliexken mkissrin u nieħdu spazju limitat?</p>
<p>Il-bniedem biex jegħleb l-injuranza għandu bżonn it-tagħlim. U l-moderazzjoni hija virtu f&#8217;kull ħaġa li wieħed jagħmel.</p>
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