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		By: fred pillow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/10/and-heres-the-other-grima-brother-with-his-half-assed-excuses-again/#comment-33676&quot;&gt;edgar gatt&lt;/a&gt;.

We lived through those times, and we know that several ministers had their mascalzoni running with them wherever they went and acting on their master&#039;s advice. They beat people for just looking at them in their ugly faces. Even Mintoff knew about these atrocities and HE DIDN&#039;T LIFT A FINGER TO STOP THEM. So he was complicit. Mintoff and KMB, together with all their colleagues in their hated cabinets, were fully responsible for the atrocities which occurred in Malta in those horrible years (1971-1987). And no Joe Grima or Godfrey Grima or whoever will ever change that. And Labour is still paying the price.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/10/and-heres-the-other-grima-brother-with-his-half-assed-excuses-again/#comment-33676">edgar gatt</a>.</p>
<p>We lived through those times, and we know that several ministers had their mascalzoni running with them wherever they went and acting on their master&#8217;s advice. They beat people for just looking at them in their ugly faces. Even Mintoff knew about these atrocities and HE DIDN&#8217;T LIFT A FINGER TO STOP THEM. So he was complicit. Mintoff and KMB, together with all their colleagues in their hated cabinets, were fully responsible for the atrocities which occurred in Malta in those horrible years (1971-1987). And no Joe Grima or Godfrey Grima or whoever will ever change that. And Labour is still paying the price.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/10/and-heres-the-other-grima-brother-with-his-half-assed-excuses-again/#comment-33680&quot;&gt;Paul Bonnici&lt;/a&gt;.

And I presume Nationalist cabinet members carry out cataract operations during their house visits? Do you realise the absurdity of your logic? If this is a source of disaffection then we are really stuck in a 1970s provincial mindest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/10/and-heres-the-other-grima-brother-with-his-half-assed-excuses-again/#comment-33680">Paul Bonnici</a>.</p>
<p>And I presume Nationalist cabinet members carry out cataract operations during their house visits? Do you realise the absurdity of your logic? If this is a source of disaffection then we are really stuck in a 1970s provincial mindest.</p>
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		By: Paul Bonnici		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bonnici]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I vividly remember those dark days.  I hope history does not repeat itself. I was really surprised that as soon as Dr Muscat was elected party leader he paid a visit to Mintoff.  That was not a wise step.  The Labour Party is still infested with supporters who condoned violence in the 1970s and 1980s. It looks to me that Labour will inevitably win the next election considering the disaffection of the electorate.

My 80-year-old frail mother has been waiting more than three years for a simple 20-minute cataract operation. This is really nasty from the side of the Nationalist administration. We feel badly let down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vividly remember those dark days.  I hope history does not repeat itself. I was really surprised that as soon as Dr Muscat was elected party leader he paid a visit to Mintoff.  That was not a wise step.  The Labour Party is still infested with supporters who condoned violence in the 1970s and 1980s. It looks to me that Labour will inevitably win the next election considering the disaffection of the electorate.</p>
<p>My 80-year-old frail mother has been waiting more than three years for a simple 20-minute cataract operation. This is really nasty from the side of the Nationalist administration. We feel badly let down.</p>
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		By: davidg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I strongly believe that the PN wins consecutive elections partly because of the memory of these events. Memory drives people on the eve of an election to forbid power to Labour, and as I say by their actions Labour cursed their future.

What hurts is that during these events no thugs were arrested for their actions by Mintoff as implied, and the worst is that even after the Nationalists came to power in 1987, I believe justice did not take its course . Not only that but some and even top police officers befriended the newly elected PN government and justice minister, in order to do away with their actions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly believe that the PN wins consecutive elections partly because of the memory of these events. Memory drives people on the eve of an election to forbid power to Labour, and as I say by their actions Labour cursed their future.</p>
<p>What hurts is that during these events no thugs were arrested for their actions by Mintoff as implied, and the worst is that even after the Nationalists came to power in 1987, I believe justice did not take its course . Not only that but some and even top police officers befriended the newly elected PN government and justice minister, in order to do away with their actions.</p>
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		By: P Shaw		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The most disturbing fact about Black Monday, apart from the fact that the police watched the thugs and did nothing (probably obeying orders from above) is that Mintoff sent a letter to Mabel Strickland where he daclared &quot;this is not my style. I don&#039;t crush my opponents&quot;.

That letter must have been prepared well in advance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most disturbing fact about Black Monday, apart from the fact that the police watched the thugs and did nothing (probably obeying orders from above) is that Mintoff sent a letter to Mabel Strickland where he daclared &#8220;this is not my style. I don&#8217;t crush my opponents&#8221;.</p>
<p>That letter must have been prepared well in advance.</p>
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		By: Steven		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I don&#039;t get about &#039;New Labour&#039; is they do not realise that by saying &quot;Yes, there was a rotten core to the administration 30 years ago. There are things that happened that we as a party are not proud of, and for which we apologise for unreservedly. We also distance ourselves from anyone who was part of that rotten core, and who is unrepentant.&quot; they would gain so much more than they do by pretending it was not their fault.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t get about &#8216;New Labour&#8217; is they do not realise that by saying &#8220;Yes, there was a rotten core to the administration 30 years ago. There are things that happened that we as a party are not proud of, and for which we apologise for unreservedly. We also distance ourselves from anyone who was part of that rotten core, and who is unrepentant.&#8221; they would gain so much more than they do by pretending it was not their fault.</p>
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		By: edgar gatt		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let us for a moment accept Joe Grima&#039;s theory that the socialist thugs who burnt down The Times and later went to Birkirkara to wreck Dr. Eddie Fenech Adami&#039;s home were &#039;loose cannons&#039;

I happened to be near Castille that night as I owned a pizzeria on the corner. When the mob arrived, I walked out and stood on the corner watching these &#039;loose cannons&#039; throwing furniture out of the window and flames coming out some metres from the balcony. The shocking thing was that there were at least one hundred policemen next to Castille and not one tried to stop them.

Another shocking event was when the fire engines arrived about 20 minutes later (from Floriana). It took them about 15 minutes to reverse into St. Paul Street and the firemen were obviously given instructions to go slow. What I am getting at is that the destruction was allowed to happen in the presence of a strong contingent of the police force, who obviously were given orders from above, to let the fire rage for maximum destruction.

So, Mr. Grima, trying to convince us that Mintoff never sent anyone to do anything untoward, is not very convincing to my generation who lived those years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us for a moment accept Joe Grima&#8217;s theory that the socialist thugs who burnt down The Times and later went to Birkirkara to wreck Dr. Eddie Fenech Adami&#8217;s home were &#8216;loose cannons&#8217;</p>
<p>I happened to be near Castille that night as I owned a pizzeria on the corner. When the mob arrived, I walked out and stood on the corner watching these &#8216;loose cannons&#8217; throwing furniture out of the window and flames coming out some metres from the balcony. The shocking thing was that there were at least one hundred policemen next to Castille and not one tried to stop them.</p>
<p>Another shocking event was when the fire engines arrived about 20 minutes later (from Floriana). It took them about 15 minutes to reverse into St. Paul Street and the firemen were obviously given instructions to go slow. What I am getting at is that the destruction was allowed to happen in the presence of a strong contingent of the police force, who obviously were given orders from above, to let the fire rage for maximum destruction.</p>
<p>So, Mr. Grima, trying to convince us that Mintoff never sent anyone to do anything untoward, is not very convincing to my generation who lived those years.</p>
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		By: Chris Ripard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Ripard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Grima is entitled to his opinion and I am genuinely sorry for his arson case. But . . .

Nowadays, we are so saturated with democracy that the bleeding heart liberals and champagne socialists under 40 years old - unless heavily into pot - cannot even dream of the mess we were in 30 short years ago.

&quot;Mintoff was not the despot Nationalists have portrayed him to be&quot; Yeah, right, Joe! I was in Valletta 30 years ago - Mintoff came out onto the balcony and waved from the &#039;Palazz&#039; while Valletta was engulfed in smoke from the Times&#039; building . . . an exact replica of Nero, who fiddled while Rome burned. If he wasn&#039;t a despot, he was a nutter.

And nor is the despotic streak in Labour a thing of the past, I assure you. Why do you think they are (not &#039;were&#039;) so against EU entry? Because dictatorships are not accepted, that&#039;s why.

Believe me - or believe Daphne if not me - we&#039;re only a gnat&#039;s ass away from the &quot;good old days&quot; people like the Grimas hark back to.

Maybe that should be &quot;Nat&#039;s ass&quot; rather than &quot;gnat&#039;s ass&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Grima is entitled to his opinion and I am genuinely sorry for his arson case. But . . .</p>
<p>Nowadays, we are so saturated with democracy that the bleeding heart liberals and champagne socialists under 40 years old &#8211; unless heavily into pot &#8211; cannot even dream of the mess we were in 30 short years ago.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mintoff was not the despot Nationalists have portrayed him to be&#8221; Yeah, right, Joe! I was in Valletta 30 years ago &#8211; Mintoff came out onto the balcony and waved from the &#8216;Palazz&#8217; while Valletta was engulfed in smoke from the Times&#8217; building . . . an exact replica of Nero, who fiddled while Rome burned. If he wasn&#8217;t a despot, he was a nutter.</p>
<p>And nor is the despotic streak in Labour a thing of the past, I assure you. Why do you think they are (not &#8216;were&#8217;) so against EU entry? Because dictatorships are not accepted, that&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>Believe me &#8211; or believe Daphne if not me &#8211; we&#8217;re only a gnat&#8217;s ass away from the &#8220;good old days&#8221; people like the Grimas hark back to.</p>
<p>Maybe that should be &#8220;Nat&#8217;s ass&#8221; rather than &#8220;gnat&#8217;s ass&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mandy Mallia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy Mallia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Journalists, Dr Muscat said, could only be credible if they were ethical.&quot;  ( http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20091015/local/journalists-politicians-should-work-together-to-build-better-society-joseph-muscat )

Any further comments are superfluous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Journalists, Dr Muscat said, could only be credible if they were ethical.&#8221;  ( <a href="http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20091015/local/journalists-politicians-should-work-together-to-build-better-society-joseph-muscat" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20091015/local/journalists-politicians-should-work-together-to-build-better-society-joseph-muscat</a> )</p>
<p>Any further comments are superfluous.</p>
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		By: Mandy Mallia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy Mallia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Joe Grima thinks that the perpetrators were &quot;loose cannons&quot;, then I would love to know what he has to say about the &quot;loose cannons&quot; who wrecked the Law Courts and the Curia.  After all, KMB was on one of the trucks driving down St Lucia Street, Valletta along with them.  I know because I saw him.  He even stopped to sign autographs for adoring female fans.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Sic transit gloria mundi. KMB was in a Valletta cafe this morning (we go to the same one), just another old man stopping by for a coffee. Nobody so much as noticed him. The only reason I did is because I happened to be looking in that direction. The photographer I was with - not Maltese - didn&#039;t believe me when I said he is a former prime minister who for five and a half years (because he hung on to the last legally permissible day before calling an election) made life in Malta absolute hell. Shouldn&#039;t a former prime minister, and such a hellish one at that, create a bit of a frisson when he walks into a cafe? Apparently not.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Joe Grima thinks that the perpetrators were &#8220;loose cannons&#8221;, then I would love to know what he has to say about the &#8220;loose cannons&#8221; who wrecked the Law Courts and the Curia.  After all, KMB was on one of the trucks driving down St Lucia Street, Valletta along with them.  I know because I saw him.  He even stopped to sign autographs for adoring female fans.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Sic transit gloria mundi. KMB was in a Valletta cafe this morning (we go to the same one), just another old man stopping by for a coffee. Nobody so much as noticed him. The only reason I did is because I happened to be looking in that direction. The photographer I was with &#8211; not Maltese &#8211; didn&#8217;t believe me when I said he is a former prime minister who for five and a half years (because he hung on to the last legally permissible day before calling an election) made life in Malta absolute hell. Shouldn&#8217;t a former prime minister, and such a hellish one at that, create a bit of a frisson when he walks into a cafe? Apparently not.]</strong></p>
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