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		By: rose		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All this for what? I will not brag about my self, does not matter who we are, what we know.  One thing is for certain when the times comes we all will be calling out &quot;God Help Us&quot;.  Believe it or not, in the end we are all going to die, we will either go to Heaven or Hell.  Why not be the best that we can be here while we still have a chance.  We will all be accountable for what we did or did not do.  On this subject we base everything we know on research, reading, theory, ignorance yes ignorance! &quot;shame on us&quot;. What do we really know how dare we think that we can judge.  Try living a better life find interest in the things that will make a difference in your life for the better  be the best servant we can be to God.  Remember we all posses the free right of worshiping religious liberty. We posses the free right of worshiping God according to the dictates of a right concience, and to practice a form of religion most in accordance with our duties to God.  Which religion is perfect anyway?  I myself am not armed with the knowledge to list the faults of other religions.  But if I did, I would not use up my time nor energy to attempt it.  I would rather spend my time exercising my respect in accepting other people&#039;s Faith, beliefs to show love and kindness In the name of God.  If you ask me, I really don&#039;t think that we know anything but perhaps a morsel of what really is.  As far as the priests who have violated the innocent childre.  I a devout Catholic feel that they should be punished and not allowed to practice anywhere &quot;ever&quot; but we should remember that while the Catholic Faith is always under attack, many other reverends, pastors, Bishops, have committed horribly ungodly things to innocent victims as well.  Thank you Mario you said it best. So many, work so hard to convince  others that the Catholic Faith is is nothing but a cult.  I believe it is one of the oldest Religions, I am happy to be a Catholic, I accept that many of you are of other religions I believe that God is our Father and loves us all equal.   May God Bless You.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this for what? I will not brag about my self, does not matter who we are, what we know.  One thing is for certain when the times comes we all will be calling out &#8220;God Help Us&#8221;.  Believe it or not, in the end we are all going to die, we will either go to Heaven or Hell.  Why not be the best that we can be here while we still have a chance.  We will all be accountable for what we did or did not do.  On this subject we base everything we know on research, reading, theory, ignorance yes ignorance! &#8220;shame on us&#8221;. What do we really know how dare we think that we can judge.  Try living a better life find interest in the things that will make a difference in your life for the better  be the best servant we can be to God.  Remember we all posses the free right of worshiping religious liberty. We posses the free right of worshiping God according to the dictates of a right concience, and to practice a form of religion most in accordance with our duties to God.  Which religion is perfect anyway?  I myself am not armed with the knowledge to list the faults of other religions.  But if I did, I would not use up my time nor energy to attempt it.  I would rather spend my time exercising my respect in accepting other people&#8217;s Faith, beliefs to show love and kindness In the name of God.  If you ask me, I really don&#8217;t think that we know anything but perhaps a morsel of what really is.  As far as the priests who have violated the innocent childre.  I a devout Catholic feel that they should be punished and not allowed to practice anywhere &#8220;ever&#8221; but we should remember that while the Catholic Faith is always under attack, many other reverends, pastors, Bishops, have committed horribly ungodly things to innocent victims as well.  Thank you Mario you said it best. So many, work so hard to convince  others that the Catholic Faith is is nothing but a cult.  I believe it is one of the oldest Religions, I am happy to be a Catholic, I accept that many of you are of other religions I believe that God is our Father and loves us all equal.   May God Bless You.</p>
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		By: Mario		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is understood from the above is that Catholicism is not a power for the good while Protestantism is. The discussion has moved and in the cross-hairs we now have Catholicism and its history.

Both faiths are Judaic Christian with the same basic beliefs. The differences,which regrettably became battles, were how to arrive to those beliefs. Catholicism conserved  a head and a hierarchy,  the lack of which, in Protestantism, resulted in the splintering of the cult into myriad groups.  This latitude contributed greatly to the spread of Atheism. thus defeating  the cult&#039;s very own purpose.  Catholicism avoided this and has emerged as the most strong moral force, that can stand up to the world for the spirituality of mankind. And that is definitely a power for good.

What happened in the past cannot be judged with a present mindset. This method is only used to demean an argument not to win it.   Brutalities were done by both sides even against Catholics and the majority were done more for political reasons. Enlightenment itself was a result of a disappointment with the Reformation. Not even the Enlightenment can say that it did not have its own prodigal descendants. In fact here is the main point. There is nothing, that man does, that has not been corrupted.  That is the reason for anchoring to a faith in a divinity.  Now which Faith?  The only Faith where the Divinity commanded love and gave the example up to what degree of love he commanded.  That is the Crucifix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is understood from the above is that Catholicism is not a power for the good while Protestantism is. The discussion has moved and in the cross-hairs we now have Catholicism and its history.</p>
<p>Both faiths are Judaic Christian with the same basic beliefs. The differences,which regrettably became battles, were how to arrive to those beliefs. Catholicism conserved  a head and a hierarchy,  the lack of which, in Protestantism, resulted in the splintering of the cult into myriad groups.  This latitude contributed greatly to the spread of Atheism. thus defeating  the cult&#8217;s very own purpose.  Catholicism avoided this and has emerged as the most strong moral force, that can stand up to the world for the spirituality of mankind. And that is definitely a power for good.</p>
<p>What happened in the past cannot be judged with a present mindset. This method is only used to demean an argument not to win it.   Brutalities were done by both sides even against Catholics and the majority were done more for political reasons. Enlightenment itself was a result of a disappointment with the Reformation. Not even the Enlightenment can say that it did not have its own prodigal descendants. In fact here is the main point. There is nothing, that man does, that has not been corrupted.  That is the reason for anchoring to a faith in a divinity.  Now which Faith?  The only Faith where the Divinity commanded love and gave the example up to what degree of love he commanded.  That is the Crucifix.</p>
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		By: Mark Cuschieri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Cuschieri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/11/missing-the-point-about-the-crucifix-ruling/#comment-34169&quot;&gt;Jeremy J Camilleri&lt;/a&gt;.

Jeremy...and now they will be removed by atheists but what you fail to all realize is that islam is behind this...and that is what worries me...I do not dislike atheists..becuase I am also personally sceptical of any religion. I just wish they understand that this is not about reforming the church and removing its abuses degrading women conserships etc...it&#039;s about the muslim world trying to take over which I object to. Which is much more scary than our own religion which I consider as a sissy compared to islam power. We will soon have to give voting rights..even having to elect anyone who comes and is &#039;deemed&#039; as a refugee. so read straight from the horses mouth please..council of europe..

http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta08/ERES1605.htm
a deal done behind our backs..co sponsored by turkey...that is what scares me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/11/missing-the-point-about-the-crucifix-ruling/#comment-34169">Jeremy J Camilleri</a>.</p>
<p>Jeremy&#8230;and now they will be removed by atheists but what you fail to all realize is that islam is behind this&#8230;and that is what worries me&#8230;I do not dislike atheists..becuase I am also personally sceptical of any religion. I just wish they understand that this is not about reforming the church and removing its abuses degrading women conserships etc&#8230;it&#8217;s about the muslim world trying to take over which I object to. Which is much more scary than our own religion which I consider as a sissy compared to islam power. We will soon have to give voting rights..even having to elect anyone who comes and is &#8216;deemed&#8217; as a refugee. so read straight from the horses mouth please..council of europe..</p>
<p><a href="http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta08/ERES1605.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta08/ERES1605.htm</a><br />
a deal done behind our backs..co sponsored by turkey&#8230;that is what scares me.</p>
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		By: Jeremy J Camilleri		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark Cuschieri....and guess who ordered them in state schools?

Benito Mussolini....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Cuschieri&#8230;.and guess who ordered them in state schools?</p>
<p>Benito Mussolini&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Mark Cuschieri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Cuschieri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[daphne you know who ordered the removal of crucifixes in the past...guess who...adolf hitler.
I remember a story about an atheist ..on his grave was written...
&#039;here lies (name).. all dressed up but nowhere to go&#039; hehe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daphne you know who ordered the removal of crucifixes in the past&#8230;guess who&#8230;adolf hitler.<br />
I remember a story about an atheist ..on his grave was written&#8230;<br />
&#8216;here lies (name).. all dressed up but nowhere to go&#8217; hehe</p>
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		By: MArio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Daphne,
you are boasting about your IQ and mental capabilities. If you see the crucifix as &#039;gory&#039;, you might be the most close minded, stubborn person that may have existed on earth. And no that is not intelligence i&#039;m afraid. And only other people can judge whether you are intelligent or not... istra i would love to boast having a doctorate in all subjects and professions.
Min jiftahar jaqa&#039; l-bahar! u mghandix dubju li jekk ma teghriqx ikun hemm is-sharks jistennew]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Daphne,<br />
you are boasting about your IQ and mental capabilities. If you see the crucifix as &#8216;gory&#8217;, you might be the most close minded, stubborn person that may have existed on earth. And no that is not intelligence i&#8217;m afraid. And only other people can judge whether you are intelligent or not&#8230; istra i would love to boast having a doctorate in all subjects and professions.<br />
Min jiftahar jaqa&#8217; l-bahar! u mghandix dubju li jekk ma teghriqx ikun hemm is-sharks jistennew</p>
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		By: Mark Cuschieri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Cuschieri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[daphne the removal of the crucifix is not just a slap in the face to christians/ chatolics...like ou I myself am not a devout catholic..but if you realized the agenda behind it you wold probably feel differently..fine remove the crucifix..the question is what ill they ask for next...the religious text...fine by me..the historical text? no way .leave it as it is....paintings and art..no way...how the teachers and then us should dress maybe? a burqa perhaps? why can&#039;t you realize daphne that once you give them a finger they will bite off your hand..unfortunately the modern world has left in us a hatred for the church for its imposition on us in the past and even still in the present..censoring..meddling in how we should feast..etc...but I can assure you it is nothing compared to the imposition of islam..now you should start realized ththe immigration..secularism..crucifixes dilemmas...are all part of 1 agenda..europe needs workers becuase of future ageing problems so they decided to infuse us with islam..ofcourse this will have an explosive reaction I have no doubt..becuase what the 2 stand for is totally opposite..the western world and islamic world i mean.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daphne the removal of the crucifix is not just a slap in the face to christians/ chatolics&#8230;like ou I myself am not a devout catholic..but if you realized the agenda behind it you wold probably feel differently..fine remove the crucifix..the question is what ill they ask for next&#8230;the religious text&#8230;fine by me..the historical text? no way .leave it as it is&#8230;.paintings and art..no way&#8230;how the teachers and then us should dress maybe? a burqa perhaps? why can&#8217;t you realize daphne that once you give them a finger they will bite off your hand..unfortunately the modern world has left in us a hatred for the church for its imposition on us in the past and even still in the present..censoring..meddling in how we should feast..etc&#8230;but I can assure you it is nothing compared to the imposition of islam..now you should start realized ththe immigration..secularism..crucifixes dilemmas&#8230;are all part of 1 agenda..europe needs workers becuase of future ageing problems so they decided to infuse us with islam..ofcourse this will have an explosive reaction I have no doubt..becuase what the 2 stand for is totally opposite..the western world and islamic world i mean.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/11/missing-the-point-about-the-crucifix-ruling/#comment-34162&quot;&gt;Mario&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, also. Christians are a soft target for many reasons. Here are just some that come to mind.
1. Their beliefs are unjustified.
2. Many of their beliefs contradict and obstruct modern morality.
3. Their beliefs have been imposed on others for millennia - both without and with force, intimidation, violence and cruelty.
4. Still today several beliefs keep being imposed on societies at large, something that is very apparent on this little island.

I&#039;m sorry to have to point it out to you, but if you have ridiculous beliefs be prepared to be ridiculed. You seem to be in the &quot;I&#039;m so offended&quot; camp, who can do naught but feel sorry for yourself when people criticise you, rather than actually defending your train of thought and engage in a rational discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/11/missing-the-point-about-the-crucifix-ruling/#comment-34162">Mario</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, also. Christians are a soft target for many reasons. Here are just some that come to mind.<br />
1. Their beliefs are unjustified.<br />
2. Many of their beliefs contradict and obstruct modern morality.<br />
3. Their beliefs have been imposed on others for millennia &#8211; both without and with force, intimidation, violence and cruelty.<br />
4. Still today several beliefs keep being imposed on societies at large, something that is very apparent on this little island.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to have to point it out to you, but if you have ridiculous beliefs be prepared to be ridiculed. You seem to be in the &#8220;I&#8217;m so offended&#8221; camp, who can do naught but feel sorry for yourself when people criticise you, rather than actually defending your train of thought and engage in a rational discussion.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/11/missing-the-point-about-the-crucifix-ruling/#comment-34162&quot;&gt;Mario&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Had this symbol been a direct affront towards anybody’s way of thinking, say an atheist symbol (and there might be some) hung upside down, than that would have been definitely condemnable.&quot;

The only thing in your whole rant which I agree with. I mean, that&#039;s the whole point, isn&#039;t it? A symbol that promotes a specific agenda, with no connection to the studies that should take place in a school, should not be placed in a classroom, whether it&#039;s a cross, crucifix, cross turned upside down, a bowl of noodle soup, or a statue of Ganesha.

A picture of a fairy would not promote fairism (if there is such a thing), it would be a simple artistic piece, no less, no more. While it&#039;s true that many people have, and still do, believe in fairies - Hemingway for one - I find it doubtful that anyone would associate a drawing of a fairy with anything colluding with reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2009/11/missing-the-point-about-the-crucifix-ruling/#comment-34162">Mario</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Had this symbol been a direct affront towards anybody’s way of thinking, say an atheist symbol (and there might be some) hung upside down, than that would have been definitely condemnable.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only thing in your whole rant which I agree with. I mean, that&#8217;s the whole point, isn&#8217;t it? A symbol that promotes a specific agenda, with no connection to the studies that should take place in a school, should not be placed in a classroom, whether it&#8217;s a cross, crucifix, cross turned upside down, a bowl of noodle soup, or a statue of Ganesha.</p>
<p>A picture of a fairy would not promote fairism (if there is such a thing), it would be a simple artistic piece, no less, no more. While it&#8217;s true that many people have, and still do, believe in fairies &#8211; Hemingway for one &#8211; I find it doubtful that anyone would associate a drawing of a fairy with anything colluding with reality.</p>
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		By: Carmel Scicluna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carmel Scicluna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is-salib tistghu tnehhuh mill-klassijiet u mill-postijiet pubblici. No big deal. Imma lil Gesu&#039; minn qalbna m&#039;ghandkomx cans tnehhuh. Komplu ppersegwitaw lill-insara. Aktar ma tippersegwitaw lill-insara, aktar l-Armata t&#039;Alla tikber, titwettaq u tisseddaq. Ix-xitan se jitlef il-battalji patetici kollha tieghu. &#039;&#039;Il-qalb immakulata tieghi se tirbah fl-ahhar.&#039;&#039; - omm dak ta&#039; fuq is-salib.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is-salib tistghu tnehhuh mill-klassijiet u mill-postijiet pubblici. No big deal. Imma lil Gesu&#8217; minn qalbna m&#8217;ghandkomx cans tnehhuh. Komplu ppersegwitaw lill-insara. Aktar ma tippersegwitaw lill-insara, aktar l-Armata t&#8217;Alla tikber, titwettaq u tisseddaq. Ix-xitan se jitlef il-battalji patetici kollha tieghu. &#8221;Il-qalb immakulata tieghi se tirbah fl-ahhar.&#8221; &#8211; omm dak ta&#8217; fuq is-salib.</p>
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