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		By: claire abela triganza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[claire abela triganza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems that I missed the  very clear explanation given to Hypatia about the this argument.  I&#039;m sorry for the confusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that I missed the  very clear explanation given to Hypatia about the this argument.  I&#8217;m sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		By: claire abela triganza		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[claire abela triganza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that the right Maltese term should be &quot;Partit tax-Xoghol&quot; when in English we say Malta Labour Party.

To my surprise, today a journalist from RAI who was actually reporting from the UK, referred to the Labour Party in the UK as Partito Laborista.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the right Maltese term should be &#8220;Partit tax-Xoghol&#8221; when in English we say Malta Labour Party.</p>
<p>To my surprise, today a journalist from RAI who was actually reporting from the UK, referred to the Labour Party in the UK as Partito Laborista.</p>
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		By: G.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;How is an elderly middle-class woman from Sliema ever going to identify with Anglu Farrugia or Toni Abela - or for that matter, Joseph Muscat and Michelle? It’s impossible.&quot;

Drop the word &quot;elderly&quot;, and rest assured that the feeling is probably the same right across the generations.  I know that I will certainly never be able to identify with people such as Toni and Anglu myself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How is an elderly middle-class woman from Sliema ever going to identify with Anglu Farrugia or Toni Abela &#8211; or for that matter, Joseph Muscat and Michelle? It’s impossible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Drop the word &#8220;elderly&#8221;, and rest assured that the feeling is probably the same right across the generations.  I know that I will certainly never be able to identify with people such as Toni and Anglu myself.</p>
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		By: john		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2010/09/labour-the-identity-crisis-party/#comment-61773&quot;&gt;Hypatia&lt;/a&gt;.

A third gate in the fortifications of 16th century Valletta was that at Marsamuscetto (in addition to the Porta san Giorgio and Porta del Monte that you mention). It was the last of the original gates to be destroyed - biting the dust in the early 1900s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2010/09/labour-the-identity-crisis-party/#comment-61773">Hypatia</a>.</p>
<p>A third gate in the fortifications of 16th century Valletta was that at Marsamuscetto (in addition to the Porta san Giorgio and Porta del Monte that you mention). It was the last of the original gates to be destroyed &#8211; biting the dust in the early 1900s.</p>
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		By: Macduff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Macduff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most of the time I feel there&#039;s a great deal of difference between the working class people who vote Nationalist and the working class people who Labour. Their attitude and behaviour are different, but I never managed to really understand how.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the time I feel there&#8217;s a great deal of difference between the working class people who vote Nationalist and the working class people who Labour. Their attitude and behaviour are different, but I never managed to really understand how.</p>
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		By: Spiru		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spiru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Partit tal-middle class when their former leader in the green anorak closed off all avenues to prosperity?

Middle class suggests free enterprise - if you&#039;re capable of doing it, go ahead and do it, not relying on closed shops, tariffs, cartels and protectionism.

The middle class started with the PN coming to power and opening the markets to free trade. Yes, it has its down side, but at least you could have the chance.

Under Labour in the 70s and 80s,  a very small number of people became very rich because they enjoyed all the protection they could, had the blessing of the authorities and had a protected market, sheltered from foreign imports.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partit tal-middle class when their former leader in the green anorak closed off all avenues to prosperity?</p>
<p>Middle class suggests free enterprise &#8211; if you&#8217;re capable of doing it, go ahead and do it, not relying on closed shops, tariffs, cartels and protectionism.</p>
<p>The middle class started with the PN coming to power and opening the markets to free trade. Yes, it has its down side, but at least you could have the chance.</p>
<p>Under Labour in the 70s and 80s,  a very small number of people became very rich because they enjoyed all the protection they could, had the blessing of the authorities and had a protected market, sheltered from foreign imports.</p>
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		By: Hypatia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hypatia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@DCG: thanks for your kind words - I have a lot of respect for what you write and enjoy reading it even though, on some occasions, I think the style could be somewhat more subdued.

Let&#039;s say then, that gates may be used in the singular or the plural.  Below are websites, among many others, where gates is in the plural.  But I do not wish to press my point further as this is a trivial matter.

Many cities had more than one gate - even Valletta has at least two in the second line of defence, what came to be known as Putirjal and Victoria Gate.  In the outer defences, there is the so-called bombi gate.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/case/case16.html
http://libraryjuicepress.com/barbarians.php
http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lindsey111902.asp
http://www.cass.city.ac.uk/conferences/barbarians/index.html

@Antoine Vella: thank you for your comment.  As I am sure you know, barbarians (barbaroi) is a Greek word which referred to those peoples who spoke neither Greek nor Latin and did not necessarily refer to uncivilized manners though this may have been implied.

For the stuffy Greeks, even the Romans were barbarians for a time. Hannibal was certainly not a &quot;barbarian&quot; in the sense of being uncivilized as it is well-known that Carthage was highly evolved according to the standards of the time (unfortunately, almost nothing is left of the Punic Carthage or the later Roman one).  Hannibal would have been a &quot;barbarian&quot; for the Romans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DCG: thanks for your kind words &#8211; I have a lot of respect for what you write and enjoy reading it even though, on some occasions, I think the style could be somewhat more subdued.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say then, that gates may be used in the singular or the plural.  Below are websites, among many others, where gates is in the plural.  But I do not wish to press my point further as this is a trivial matter.</p>
<p>Many cities had more than one gate &#8211; even Valletta has at least two in the second line of defence, what came to be known as Putirjal and Victoria Gate.  In the outer defences, there is the so-called bombi gate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/case/case16.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.lewrockwell.com/case/case16.html</a><br />
<a href="http://libraryjuicepress.com/barbarians.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://libraryjuicepress.com/barbarians.php</a><br />
<a href="http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lindsey111902.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lindsey111902.asp</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cass.city.ac.uk/conferences/barbarians/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cass.city.ac.uk/conferences/barbarians/index.html</a></p>
<p>@Antoine Vella: thank you for your comment.  As I am sure you know, barbarians (barbaroi) is a Greek word which referred to those peoples who spoke neither Greek nor Latin and did not necessarily refer to uncivilized manners though this may have been implied.</p>
<p>For the stuffy Greeks, even the Romans were barbarians for a time. Hannibal was certainly not a &#8220;barbarian&#8221; in the sense of being uncivilized as it is well-known that Carthage was highly evolved according to the standards of the time (unfortunately, almost nothing is left of the Punic Carthage or the later Roman one).  Hannibal would have been a &#8220;barbarian&#8221; for the Romans.</p>
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		By: Anthony Farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony Farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;I read the stream of abuse that pours into this website each time I mention Dom MIntoff (may he rot in hell and may his corpse be protected in heavy plastic at his laying-out) and I see no middle classes there either. &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Take a leaf out of Bram Stokers&#039;s &quot;Dracula&quot;: Bury him at a crossroads with a wooden stake through his heart so that he will not rise up again. Adding a garlic necklace will also be beneficial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I read the stream of abuse that pours into this website each time I mention Dom MIntoff (may he rot in hell and may his corpse be protected in heavy plastic at his laying-out) and I see no middle classes there either. &#8220;</em></p>
<p>Take a leaf out of Bram Stokers&#8217;s &#8220;Dracula&#8221;: Bury him at a crossroads with a wooden stake through his heart so that he will not rise up again. Adding a garlic necklace will also be beneficial.</p>
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		By: ciccio2010		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ciccio2010]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;They don’t understand that middle class people - really middle class, that is, and not chavs with cash and aspirations - support the PN because they identify with its front-runners, its policies, its attitude and its way of doing things and of speaking. &quot;
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That is exactly it.

How can the Labour Party be the party of the middle class (I understand professionals, small business men, retailers, self employed) if they are suggesting a living wage - a concept that could only appeal to the most conservative of British unions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;They don’t understand that middle class people &#8211; really middle class, that is, and not chavs with cash and aspirations &#8211; support the PN because they identify with its front-runners, its policies, its attitude and its way of doing things and of speaking. &#8221;<br />
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That is exactly it.</p>
<p>How can the Labour Party be the party of the middle class (I understand professionals, small business men, retailers, self employed) if they are suggesting a living wage &#8211; a concept that could only appeal to the most conservative of British unions?</p>
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		By: Joseph A Borg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph A Borg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;How is an elderly middle-class woman from Sliema ever going to identify with Anglu Farrugia or Toni Abela - or for that matter, Joseph Muscat and Michelle? It’s impossible.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Spot on. And even the less elderly. I doubt the new voters have the same itchiness though.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - They did in 2008. They nearly mowed down the polling booths in their keenness to keep Labour from getting in. And Labour was completely unaware of it. Amazing.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;How is an elderly middle-class woman from Sliema ever going to identify with Anglu Farrugia or Toni Abela &#8211; or for that matter, Joseph Muscat and Michelle? It’s impossible.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Spot on. And even the less elderly. I doubt the new voters have the same itchiness though.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; They did in 2008. They nearly mowed down the polling booths in their keenness to keep Labour from getting in. And Labour was completely unaware of it. Amazing.]</strong></p>
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