@ Min Weber:

The natural order of things is to get an illness or disease, to suffer horribly, and to die. Yet most people who bring up the “natural order” in moral arguments usually take life-saving medicine.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy#Appeal_to_nature

Lino, I a getting seriously concerned for your state of health.

“if people getting married today do not want this type of commitment than let divorce apply to them, but divorce should not apply to marriages pre-2011.
Respect the rights of the minority, those non-believers who so not believe in remarriage. please let us be. Divorce yourselves but don’t impose divorce on others.”???
What you are now also going to propose there should be laws for people born after a law was enacted??

As for imposing divorce, huh? who is imposing anything? The ‘deal’ as you so tactfully put it may have been clear to you, but judging by the many separated (pre-2011) couples, it may not be clear to them.

Can we please be serious and have some logical arguments before I conclude that there is something in the water and Malta has turned into a Mediterranean version of the Mad hatter’s Tea Party? Divorce a spiritual evil pushed by religious zealots ??? – I wish!

Mintoff and Fenech Adami had strong priinciples and clear ideas. Today’s leaders don`t! I did not agree with what Mintoff believed in – socialism but he believed in socialism. I agreed, in part, with what Eddie believed in – Christian Democracy I (I am more a Conservative than a Christian Democrat) but he was and still is a convinced Christian Democrat! You tell me what Gonzi and Muscat believe in. Gonzi increased his and his Cabinet’s wage and Muscat and his colleagues accepted a raise in their honoraria of 10,000 euro. They then go on attacking the Government about its 500 euro increase per Cabinet member and argue that the average worker only has a 1 euro and 16 cents increase. All MPs have had a 10,000 euro increase as Joe Mizzi conceded in last Saturday`s debate: “Whereas the honoraria of the MPs of the last legislature had stood at 16,000 euro, Dr. Gonzi had upped the sum to 26,000 eurofor all MPs, a few wekks after winning the last general election.” THE MALTA INDEPENDENT ON SUNDAY. COME ON – ALL MPs HAVE LOST THEIR PRINCIPLES. What do they believe in? What does Joseph Muscat stand for and what does Gonzi stand for? This is way the number of people voting in the next general elections will continue to decrease.

@Min Weber

And what is wrong with gay people being able to raise children or adopt? As long as they can give the child a loving home, that is. Isn’t it better for a child to be raised by loving homosexual parents than to be left in an orphanage or with abusive parents?

Gertrude Stein

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110614/opinion/This-is-the-time-to-move-ahead.370490

The bottom line is that we need to move on.

Let parliament get the best possible law discussed and approved. How individual MPs vote is irrelevant as long as the divorce law is enacted according to the referendum result.

[Lino Cert – What does divorce have to do with religion? If anything divorce is pro-religion because it allows for couples to marry. What is so liberal or modern about divorce? It as a spiritual evil being pushed by religious zealots for hundreds of years].

I see. So divorce has nothing to do with religion, and yet, it is a spiritual evil and pro-religion. Is this some kind of Newspeak?

[Lino Cert – If people have a problem with marriage then we should do away with marriage].

Sure. And if people have a problem with bad food, they should do away with food. Interesting logic.

[Lino Cert – But please do not impose divorce on persons who have decided to get married when divorce was not even an option].

Legal separation was once not an option, and yet, we have “imposed” separation. And what about people who do not wish their marriage to be declared null but their spouses think otherwise? Do these have annulment imposed on them? Please stop recycling long-discredited arguments.

[Lino Cert – The deal with marriage was clear, it was a life-long commitment that required a life-long investment].

Marriage is not a business deal. Its much more complex than that – unless, of course, you believe wives are property.

[Lino Cert – If people getting married today do not want this type of commitment than let divorce apply to them, but divorce should not apply to marriages pre-2011].

Why not?

[Lino Cert – Respect the rights of the minority, those non-believers who so not believe in remarriage. please let us be. Divorce yourselves but don’t impose divorce on others].

We’re not imposing divorce on anyone. You’re free not to divorce.

Well here’s a deal for you. I won’t make you divorce and you stay out of other people’s lives. Isn’t that charitable of me.

“Respect the rights of the minority”. Rich! Aren’t we getting told ad nauseum that Malta is a Catholic nation and the Maltese people are Catholic, dead set to oppose that great evil secularism?

It is utterly pathetic to see grown people grovel and victimise themselves and you would do yourself a service to just think through your arguments before posting.

They are priests in underwear salesman’s clothing.