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		By: Dudu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dudu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83749&quot;&gt;Ghar u Kasa&lt;/a&gt;.

Nope, sorry - an abrogative one is essentially a binding referendum ,on any issue, whereby the person with authority (in this case, the elected representative in parliament) abrogates, or surrenders, his legislative rights to another body - in this case the people voting in the referendum. A consultative referendum is essentially a glorified poll. Technically, parliamentarians can ignore the result of a consultative referendum. In practise, however, it is very hard to override the will expressed in even a consultative referendum, striking, as it does, at the very essence of democracy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83749">Ghar u Kasa</a>.</p>
<p>Nope, sorry &#8211; an abrogative one is essentially a binding referendum ,on any issue, whereby the person with authority (in this case, the elected representative in parliament) abrogates, or surrenders, his legislative rights to another body &#8211; in this case the people voting in the referendum. A consultative referendum is essentially a glorified poll. Technically, parliamentarians can ignore the result of a consultative referendum. In practise, however, it is very hard to override the will expressed in even a consultative referendum, striking, as it does, at the very essence of democracy.</p>
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		By: Edward Clemmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clemmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 05:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83767&quot;&gt;maryanne&lt;/a&gt;.

Let me see if I understand.  Therefore, Pullicino Orlando tricked PM Gonzi into calling for a referendum on divorce, which U-turn Joseph Muscat then supported - and the morally convinced PM was convinced that the NO vote would prevail, putting an end to the whole divorce-thingy.

Nobody expected the YES vote to prevail (while I had hoped for a YES victory).  The PL made no commitment to YES with their &quot;free vote.&quot;  The PN committed themselves to the NO vote.  And eventually the Church also chimed in with its public support for NO.

It seems that the political class never expected a democratic result to contradict their desired political imposition.

I wonder how long it will be before Parliament ever decides again to abrogate its constitutional responsibilities to legislate by demanding a referendum?

I also never foresaw the political disaster the PN are creating for themselves (and for the country) because PM Gonzi cannot lead according to the democratic result.  Before this I had thought that the PN were more rational and less confessional than the situation now proves.  I am astonished.

So, you say it was all a plot?  It seems that the PN have lost the plot, their own &quot;plot&quot; against divorce (as well as the storyline, as the plot thickens).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83767">maryanne</a>.</p>
<p>Let me see if I understand.  Therefore, Pullicino Orlando tricked PM Gonzi into calling for a referendum on divorce, which U-turn Joseph Muscat then supported &#8211; and the morally convinced PM was convinced that the NO vote would prevail, putting an end to the whole divorce-thingy.</p>
<p>Nobody expected the YES vote to prevail (while I had hoped for a YES victory).  The PL made no commitment to YES with their &#8220;free vote.&#8221;  The PN committed themselves to the NO vote.  And eventually the Church also chimed in with its public support for NO.</p>
<p>It seems that the political class never expected a democratic result to contradict their desired political imposition.</p>
<p>I wonder how long it will be before Parliament ever decides again to abrogate its constitutional responsibilities to legislate by demanding a referendum?</p>
<p>I also never foresaw the political disaster the PN are creating for themselves (and for the country) because PM Gonzi cannot lead according to the democratic result.  Before this I had thought that the PN were more rational and less confessional than the situation now proves.  I am astonished.</p>
<p>So, you say it was all a plot?  It seems that the PN have lost the plot, their own &#8220;plot&#8221; against divorce (as well as the storyline, as the plot thickens).</p>
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		By: Erable		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83777&quot;&gt;chavsRus&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting analogies.

The legitimacy of the Integration referendum was questioned right from the outset, and was consistently challenged by one of the two major political parties. Yes, I agree that these &quot;same arguments&quot; (or similar arguments) were bandied about following that referendum. This precipitated a stand-off that was resolved only after direct rule was imposed on Malta by Great Britain.

In the Independence referendum, voters were asked a question about adopting a constitution that had already been ratified by the Legislative Assembly, and although these &quot;same arguments&quot; may have been trotted out at that time as well, the constitution was indeed adopted, and independence declared, in accordance with the outcome of that referendum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83777">chavsRus</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting analogies.</p>
<p>The legitimacy of the Integration referendum was questioned right from the outset, and was consistently challenged by one of the two major political parties. Yes, I agree that these &#8220;same arguments&#8221; (or similar arguments) were bandied about following that referendum. This precipitated a stand-off that was resolved only after direct rule was imposed on Malta by Great Britain.</p>
<p>In the Independence referendum, voters were asked a question about adopting a constitution that had already been ratified by the Legislative Assembly, and although these &#8220;same arguments&#8221; may have been trotted out at that time as well, the constitution was indeed adopted, and independence declared, in accordance with the outcome of that referendum.</p>
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		By: Mark Micallef Eynaud		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Micallef Eynaud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 23:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83768&quot;&gt;P Borg&lt;/a&gt;.

We just keep missing the point: it is nothing to do with whether one agrees with divorce or not or whether the Church agrees to / condones divorce or not. These are personal / religious issues.

The essential question is whether civil divorce legislation is to be enacted. The referendum result says yes therefore MPs say yes or resign.

Nothing else has or will change. Those who wish to avail themselves of the new legislation may do so; those that do not are not forced to.

It is now time to move on and get a life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83768">P Borg</a>.</p>
<p>We just keep missing the point: it is nothing to do with whether one agrees with divorce or not or whether the Church agrees to / condones divorce or not. These are personal / religious issues.</p>
<p>The essential question is whether civil divorce legislation is to be enacted. The referendum result says yes therefore MPs say yes or resign.</p>
<p>Nothing else has or will change. Those who wish to avail themselves of the new legislation may do so; those that do not are not forced to.</p>
<p>It is now time to move on and get a life.</p>
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		By: Mosta Girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mosta Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83750&quot;&gt;Malcolm Bonnici&lt;/a&gt;.

Because what they think of as their conscience is really just memory of what they were taught in Catholic dogma classes. Their doctrine teachers obviously had no position on voting against the will of the people, so they don&#039;t either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83750">Malcolm Bonnici</a>.</p>
<p>Because what they think of as their conscience is really just memory of what they were taught in Catholic dogma classes. Their doctrine teachers obviously had no position on voting against the will of the people, so they don&#8217;t either.</p>
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		By: Mosta Girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mosta Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83748&quot;&gt;Kenneth Cassar&lt;/a&gt;.

&#039;Divorce: the prime minister calls for prudence.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83748">Kenneth Cassar</a>.</p>
<p>&#8216;Divorce: the prime minister calls for prudence.&#8217;</p>
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		By: chavsRus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erable seems to be a foreigner, so he may not be aware that Sant had plenty of precedents - like the Integration and Independence Referendums where exactly the same arguments were out forward.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Foreign to what? Oh, you mean &#039;not Maltese&#039;. He is. He just doesn&#039;t live here.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erable seems to be a foreigner, so he may not be aware that Sant had plenty of precedents &#8211; like the Integration and Independence Referendums where exactly the same arguments were out forward.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Foreign to what? Oh, you mean &#8216;not Maltese&#8217;. He is. He just doesn&#8217;t live here.]</strong></p>
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		By: Desert Wind		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Desert Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MPs want direction and are not getting it:

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/national/update-%E2%80%98gonzipn%E2%80%99-in-deep-political-crisis]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPs want direction and are not getting it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/national/update-%E2%80%98gonzipn%E2%80%99-in-deep-political-crisis" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/national/update-%E2%80%98gonzipn%E2%80%99-in-deep-political-crisis</a></p>
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		By: Robert Galea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Galea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JPO should talk less and read more. Edwin reads much more than you Daphne and Jeffrey together. Even some people here should read much more and talk less. I expect that a member of parliament raeds much more than I do.

Charles De Gaulle ” the electorate is consulted only to decide what colour to give to the tram”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JPO should talk less and read more. Edwin reads much more than you Daphne and Jeffrey together. Even some people here should read much more and talk less. I expect that a member of parliament raeds much more than I do.</p>
<p>Charles De Gaulle ” the electorate is consulted only to decide what colour to give to the tram”.</p>
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		By: Galian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Galian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83755&quot;&gt;Malcolm Bonnici&lt;/a&gt;.

I am from Mosta, Daphne, and you echo my feelings exactly.

The election is still relatively far away but if we are going to have the same candidates I am going to be in a real quandary regarding my vote. Like you, I will vote PN again as there is no alternative.

I used to have no problem when Eddie Fenech Adami was still around because you naturally go for the party leader but since he left I have chosen Tonio Borg and Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando... and what a disappointment they turned out to be!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/superstar-comment/#comment-83755">Malcolm Bonnici</a>.</p>
<p>I am from Mosta, Daphne, and you echo my feelings exactly.</p>
<p>The election is still relatively far away but if we are going to have the same candidates I am going to be in a real quandary regarding my vote. Like you, I will vote PN again as there is no alternative.</p>
<p>I used to have no problem when Eddie Fenech Adami was still around because you naturally go for the party leader but since he left I have chosen Tonio Borg and Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando&#8230; and what a disappointment they turned out to be!</p>
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