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		By: Joethemaltaman		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84121&quot;&gt;Kenneth Cassar&lt;/a&gt;.

No, you would be a &quot;lamb in the skin of wolves&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84121">Kenneth Cassar</a>.</p>
<p>No, you would be a &#8220;lamb in the skin of wolves&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Edward Clemmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clemmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84130&quot;&gt;cogito&lt;/a&gt;.

The Maltese Constitution provides a privleged status for the Roman Catholic faith.  But that constitution does not require that the State enact Roman Catholic Laws.

It is possible (although for some persons inconceivable) for individuals to be faithful Roman Catholics and, at the same time, support freedom of conscience and freedom of choice regarding the opportunity for civil divorce.

It also is not unusual for faithful and devout Roman Catholics (and anyone else of other religious persuasions or non-persuasions) to experience a divorce on their way to the mercies of God.  What God has not joined together, let no human persons force into permanent pseudo-marital unions.

It is not for individuals to judge the valadity of civil or religious marriages.  The State has its criteria, the church marriage tribunals have Canon Law.  The domains are separate.

Let&#039;s address the social reasons why marriages may be dysfunctional, and perhaps we can caution against marriage for individuals who are not yet ready or are too immature for what successful marriage relationships require.  At the same time, for those of religious or Christian persuasion, hopefully successful couples can also appreciate the theology of the marriage covenant throughout their lives.

Meanwhile, man proposes, and God disposes according to his love and mercies, if you believe in God&#039;s genuine mercies.  So, no Catholic has to renounce his faith when he or she may have to resort to divorce; in fact, even greater faith may be required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84130">cogito</a>.</p>
<p>The Maltese Constitution provides a privleged status for the Roman Catholic faith.  But that constitution does not require that the State enact Roman Catholic Laws.</p>
<p>It is possible (although for some persons inconceivable) for individuals to be faithful Roman Catholics and, at the same time, support freedom of conscience and freedom of choice regarding the opportunity for civil divorce.</p>
<p>It also is not unusual for faithful and devout Roman Catholics (and anyone else of other religious persuasions or non-persuasions) to experience a divorce on their way to the mercies of God.  What God has not joined together, let no human persons force into permanent pseudo-marital unions.</p>
<p>It is not for individuals to judge the valadity of civil or religious marriages.  The State has its criteria, the church marriage tribunals have Canon Law.  The domains are separate.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s address the social reasons why marriages may be dysfunctional, and perhaps we can caution against marriage for individuals who are not yet ready or are too immature for what successful marriage relationships require.  At the same time, for those of religious or Christian persuasion, hopefully successful couples can also appreciate the theology of the marriage covenant throughout their lives.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, man proposes, and God disposes according to his love and mercies, if you believe in God&#8217;s genuine mercies.  So, no Catholic has to renounce his faith when he or she may have to resort to divorce; in fact, even greater faith may be required.</p>
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		By: Antoine Vella		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antoine Vella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 22:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84130&quot;&gt;cogito&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, cogito, we &quot;knew&quot; a long time ago. The Church has long been in a privileged position when in comes to marriage in Malta. Nothing new there.

It&#039;s however a gross exaggeration to say that we have a confessional government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84130">cogito</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, cogito, we &#8220;knew&#8221; a long time ago. The Church has long been in a privileged position when in comes to marriage in Malta. Nothing new there.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s however a gross exaggeration to say that we have a confessional government.</p>
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		By: ciccio2011		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ciccio2011]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84115&quot;&gt;Rita Camilleri&lt;/a&gt;.

It may end in 2013.  But then the tragedy starts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84115">Rita Camilleri</a>.</p>
<p>It may end in 2013.  But then the tragedy starts.</p>
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		By: Mark Vassallo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Vassallo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84118&quot;&gt;Etil&lt;/a&gt;.

What is all this about Catholics not being allowed to divorce?

In the rest of the world, before you are allowed to apply for a Church Annulment, the Catholic Church asks you to first obtain a civil divorce.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84118">Etil</a>.</p>
<p>What is all this about Catholics not being allowed to divorce?</p>
<p>In the rest of the world, before you are allowed to apply for a Church Annulment, the Catholic Church asks you to first obtain a civil divorce.</p>
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		By: silvio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silvio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84110&quot;&gt;D. Azzopardi&lt;/a&gt;.

The point is that I can decide to EAT my cake, and no one should have the right to impede me from doing it, just because he has decided NOT to eat HIS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84110">D. Azzopardi</a>.</p>
<p>The point is that I can decide to EAT my cake, and no one should have the right to impede me from doing it, just because he has decided NOT to eat HIS.</p>
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		By: cogito		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That constitutional article about Malta being Catholic is just a meaningless statement that even constitutional lawyers and lecturers find hard to interpret -- because it is just that, meaningless.

It says that the religion of Malta is the Roman Catholic religion.  What does Malta mean in this case?  Malta as a state cannot profess and practise a religion because only people can.

If only people can, no constitution can oblige anyone to profess, much less believe in, a religion.

Furthermore, religion is very different from faith. The real meaning is in the article guaranteeing freedom of religion in the entrenched chapter on human rights and, of course, the religious bigots never mention that one.

If this referendum has served any purpose, it was to expose glaringly the hypocrisy of some politicians and the fact that some politicians with whom we were so much besotted in the 80s (and their successors) were minded to install a confessional government but they never told us then what was in their mind.  Now we know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That constitutional article about Malta being Catholic is just a meaningless statement that even constitutional lawyers and lecturers find hard to interpret &#8212; because it is just that, meaningless.</p>
<p>It says that the religion of Malta is the Roman Catholic religion.  What does Malta mean in this case?  Malta as a state cannot profess and practise a religion because only people can.</p>
<p>If only people can, no constitution can oblige anyone to profess, much less believe in, a religion.</p>
<p>Furthermore, religion is very different from faith. The real meaning is in the article guaranteeing freedom of religion in the entrenched chapter on human rights and, of course, the religious bigots never mention that one.</p>
<p>If this referendum has served any purpose, it was to expose glaringly the hypocrisy of some politicians and the fact that some politicians with whom we were so much besotted in the 80s (and their successors) were minded to install a confessional government but they never told us then what was in their mind.  Now we know.</p>
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		By: ciccio2011		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems to me that it&#039;s not only the neutrality clause that needs changing in our Constitution.
Or is it time to ditch our Constitution altogether and seek integration with the Vatican?  We may need a referendum about this one...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that it&#8217;s not only the neutrality clause that needs changing in our Constitution.<br />
Or is it time to ditch our Constitution altogether and seek integration with the Vatican?  We may need a referendum about this one&#8230;</p>
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		By: Kenneth Cassar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Cassar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84126&quot;&gt;tbg&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually I was.  Then again, empty vessels make most sound, so one cannot gauge public opinion from online comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84126">tbg</a>.</p>
<p>Actually I was.  Then again, empty vessels make most sound, so one cannot gauge public opinion from online comments.</p>
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		By: maryanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maryanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84113&quot;&gt;A. Charles&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t ask Toni Abela because he doesn&#039;t know the difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/06/tal-muzew-lessons-for-children-what-we-need-is-civics-classes-for-grown-ups/#comment-84113">A. Charles</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ask Toni Abela because he doesn&#8217;t know the difference.</p>
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