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		By: Alfred Bugeja		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alfred Bugeja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/07/so-much-for-leaving-the-pn-because-of-the-pms-divorce-vote/#comment-88100&quot;&gt;mc&lt;/a&gt;.

It is even worse than that.

He timed it perfectly to look like he&#039; s the victim of political persecution. And he succeeded (for a while).

I still can&#039;t figure out if his father&#039;s case was also a part of the scheme, because for that he would need help from the &#039;inside&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/07/so-much-for-leaving-the-pn-because-of-the-pms-divorce-vote/#comment-88100">mc</a>.</p>
<p>It is even worse than that.</p>
<p>He timed it perfectly to look like he&#8217; s the victim of political persecution. And he succeeded (for a while).</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t figure out if his father&#8217;s case was also a part of the scheme, because for that he would need help from the &#8216;inside&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Libertas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libertas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/07/so-much-for-leaving-the-pn-because-of-the-pms-divorce-vote/#comment-88098&quot;&gt;ciccio2011&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s one reason why the &#039;no to political parties in local councils&#039; movement (including Labour and the Church) was so misguided.

We would have had our local councils infested with people like &#039;Il-Ħanfusa&#039; and worse, and there would be no party discipline whatsoever.

Cyrus Engerer knew that he would have been at least suspended, if not kicked out from th PN, if they knew what he was up to.

Now he&#039;s an &#039;independent&#039; like Nikki Dimech.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/07/so-much-for-leaving-the-pn-because-of-the-pms-divorce-vote/#comment-88098">ciccio2011</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one reason why the &#8216;no to political parties in local councils&#8217; movement (including Labour and the Church) was so misguided.</p>
<p>We would have had our local councils infested with people like &#8216;Il-Ħanfusa&#8217; and worse, and there would be no party discipline whatsoever.</p>
<p>Cyrus Engerer knew that he would have been at least suspended, if not kicked out from th PN, if they knew what he was up to.</p>
<p>Now he&#8217;s an &#8216;independent&#8217; like Nikki Dimech.</p>
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		By: mc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Cyrus jumped before he was pushed”

I think it is worse than that.  I would speculate that he joined Labour in an effort to avoid prosecution.  He might have hoped that the Police might be persuaded to shelve his case because of the risk of being politicised.

In fact, when the details of the prosecution were leaked, there were many who jumped to conclusions and commented on timesofmalta.com that this was PN’s revenge against him for switching parties.

How else could one explain him throwing away years of  political work within the PN and starting afresh in another political party?  How could he justify joining a party, which he had criticised just a few weeks earlier?

He could have done the decent thing and resigned from the Council and the party with the hope that he could start afresh when the Court proceedings are over.

The more he twists and turns the more despicable he makes himself out to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Cyrus jumped before he was pushed”</p>
<p>I think it is worse than that.  I would speculate that he joined Labour in an effort to avoid prosecution.  He might have hoped that the Police might be persuaded to shelve his case because of the risk of being politicised.</p>
<p>In fact, when the details of the prosecution were leaked, there were many who jumped to conclusions and commented on timesofmalta.com that this was PN’s revenge against him for switching parties.</p>
<p>How else could one explain him throwing away years of  political work within the PN and starting afresh in another political party?  How could he justify joining a party, which he had criticised just a few weeks earlier?</p>
<p>He could have done the decent thing and resigned from the Council and the party with the hope that he could start afresh when the Court proceedings are over.</p>
<p>The more he twists and turns the more despicable he makes himself out to be.</p>
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		By: Libertas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Libertas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyrus Engerer, speaking at the PN’s general council on the 17th June (from his own website):

“Kemm jien kburi li qed nindirizza l-Kunsill Generali tal-Partit Nazzjonalista, ghax matul dawn it-tletin sena, il-PN kien il-forza politika li ispirat bidla u progress, immodernizzajna l-ekonomija u tajna tama ta’ futur ahjar lill-generazzjonijiet il-godda.
Ksibna d-demokrazija, u ma waqafniex, ghax ridna l-aqwa u l-ahjar, hdimna biex Malta saret membru tal-UE, fejn sahhahna il-valuri tas-solidarjetà, tolleranza u ugwaljanza.
Ksibna dan kollu flimkien, u dan is-success hadd ma jista’ jehodulna.
Malta ghandha bzonn lill-Partit Nazzjonalista… jghidu x’jghidu tal-Partit Laburista, u jpinguna kif jipprovaw ipinguna... ghandna l-aqwa tim li ghandu jkompli jigverna lil dan il-pajjiz.”

Then, all of a sudden, a convenient &#039;conversion&#039;, after being questioned by the police on the 23rd June on a &#039;small matter&#039;, something &#039;personal&#039; with his ex lover that should be over in Court &#039;in five minutes&#039; (which is the time it might take only if the accused pleads guilty).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyrus Engerer, speaking at the PN’s general council on the 17th June (from his own website):</p>
<p>“Kemm jien kburi li qed nindirizza l-Kunsill Generali tal-Partit Nazzjonalista, ghax matul dawn it-tletin sena, il-PN kien il-forza politika li ispirat bidla u progress, immodernizzajna l-ekonomija u tajna tama ta’ futur ahjar lill-generazzjonijiet il-godda.<br />
Ksibna d-demokrazija, u ma waqafniex, ghax ridna l-aqwa u l-ahjar, hdimna biex Malta saret membru tal-UE, fejn sahhahna il-valuri tas-solidarjetà, tolleranza u ugwaljanza.<br />
Ksibna dan kollu flimkien, u dan is-success hadd ma jista’ jehodulna.<br />
Malta ghandha bzonn lill-Partit Nazzjonalista… jghidu x’jghidu tal-Partit Laburista, u jpinguna kif jipprovaw ipinguna&#8230; ghandna l-aqwa tim li ghandu jkompli jigverna lil dan il-pajjiz.”</p>
<p>Then, all of a sudden, a convenient &#8216;conversion&#8217;, after being questioned by the police on the 23rd June on a &#8216;small matter&#8217;, something &#8216;personal&#8217; with his ex lover that should be over in Court &#8216;in five minutes&#8217; (which is the time it might take only if the accused pleads guilty).</p>
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		By: ciccio2011		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ciccio2011]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it not normal that when someone holds an official position like that of a Deputy Mayor, and one is accused with criminal charges, one resigns until one&#039;s name is cleared?

In those circumstances, usually one&#039;s Party will ask its representative to consider resignation.

Is that why Mr. Engerer remains an Independent Sliema councillor, so that no one will force him to resign? Or to avoid the embarassment to Joseph Muscat from asking him to resign, because the latter can hide behind the &quot;independent councillor&quot; excuse?

Can the Sliema council push a motion requesting the resignation of the Deputy Mayor at this point?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not normal that when someone holds an official position like that of a Deputy Mayor, and one is accused with criminal charges, one resigns until one&#8217;s name is cleared?</p>
<p>In those circumstances, usually one&#8217;s Party will ask its representative to consider resignation.</p>
<p>Is that why Mr. Engerer remains an Independent Sliema councillor, so that no one will force him to resign? Or to avoid the embarassment to Joseph Muscat from asking him to resign, because the latter can hide behind the &#8220;independent councillor&#8221; excuse?</p>
<p>Can the Sliema council push a motion requesting the resignation of the Deputy Mayor at this point?</p>
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		By: sap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/07/so-much-for-leaving-the-pn-because-of-the-pms-divorce-vote/#comment-88095&quot;&gt;sap&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;i7.06.11 @ Kunsill Generali Partit Laburista&quot;

should read &quot;17.06.11 @ Kunsill Generali Partit NAZZJONALITSA&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/07/so-much-for-leaving-the-pn-because-of-the-pms-divorce-vote/#comment-88095">sap</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;i7.06.11 @ Kunsill Generali Partit Laburista&#8221;</p>
<p>should read &#8220;17.06.11 @ Kunsill Generali Partit NAZZJONALITSA&#8221;</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 11:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now that&#039;s a much clearer picture of how things have actually developed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s a much clearer picture of how things have actually developed.</p>
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		By: sap		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cyrus comments before joining the PL

On facebook - June 17th @ 9.34pm
True Labour colours coming out on Xarabank tonight. As Evarist Bartolo once said, the more things change, the more they remain the same.

On facebook - June 17th @ 9.06pm
Shocked at Joseph Muscat&#039;s comments with regar to the LGBT community: marriage only between a man and a woman only and LGBT people should not be allowed to adopt. Very liberal and progressive!

17.06.11 @ Kunsill Generali Partit Laburista
“…jgħidu x’jgħidu tal-Partit Laburista u jpinġuna kif jipprovaw ipinġuna, aħna għadna
bżonjużi! Aħna bżonjużi għaliex għandna l-aqwa tim li għandu jkompli jigverna lil dan il-pajjiż.”
http://cyrusengerer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/speech17062011.pdf

on facebook - June 20th @ 6.56pm
Last weekend&#039;s events have proven that PN is still relevant and needed. While Muscat on Xarabank gave no answers, PN&#039;s General Council opened the way forward and invited all those who want to be part of it, no matter what their opinion, to join in and give their piece of mind.


cyrus comments after joining the PL

On facebook – 25th July @ 2.49am
I have joined a movement that brings together a wide spectrum of people led by an inspiring leader, Joseph Muscat]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyrus comments before joining the PL</p>
<p>On facebook &#8211; June 17th @ 9.34pm<br />
True Labour colours coming out on Xarabank tonight. As Evarist Bartolo once said, the more things change, the more they remain the same.</p>
<p>On facebook &#8211; June 17th @ 9.06pm<br />
Shocked at Joseph Muscat&#8217;s comments with regar to the LGBT community: marriage only between a man and a woman only and LGBT people should not be allowed to adopt. Very liberal and progressive!</p>
<p>17.06.11 @ Kunsill Generali Partit Laburista<br />
“…jgħidu x’jgħidu tal-Partit Laburista u jpinġuna kif jipprovaw ipinġuna, aħna għadna<br />
bżonjużi! Aħna bżonjużi għaliex għandna l-aqwa tim li għandu jkompli jigverna lil dan il-pajjiż.”<br />
<a href="http://cyrusengerer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/speech17062011.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://cyrusengerer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/speech17062011.pdf</a></p>
<p>on facebook &#8211; June 20th @ 6.56pm<br />
Last weekend&#8217;s events have proven that PN is still relevant and needed. While Muscat on Xarabank gave no answers, PN&#8217;s General Council opened the way forward and invited all those who want to be part of it, no matter what their opinion, to join in and give their piece of mind.</p>
<p>cyrus comments after joining the PL</p>
<p>On facebook – 25th July @ 2.49am<br />
I have joined a movement that brings together a wide spectrum of people led by an inspiring leader, Joseph Muscat</p>
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		By: red nose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[red nose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Birds of a feather.........]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birds of a feather&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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