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		By: Drinu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drinu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 01:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If they give these poor guys money then the church must compensate the hundreds if not thousands of other victims out there. I&#039;m sure the curia doesn&#039;t want to go down that alley.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they give these poor guys money then the church must compensate the hundreds if not thousands of other victims out there. I&#8217;m sure the curia doesn&#8217;t want to go down that alley.</p>
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		By: silvio farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silvio farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 23:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So reasoning like the Curia is reasoning now it is not wrong to have an abortion where it is legal, to have euthenasia where it is legal, to divorce where it is legal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So reasoning like the Curia is reasoning now it is not wrong to have an abortion where it is legal, to have euthenasia where it is legal, to divorce where it is legal.</p>
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		By: Grezz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grezz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94750&quot;&gt;David Buttigieg&lt;/a&gt;.

Regarding &quot;the uninsured&quot; - As far as I know, where there is bodily injury, the car&#039;s insurers would be legally obliged to pay the damages due, even if the driver himself was not covered by the insurance policy (being under-age, not licensed or whatever),  The insurance company would then sue the driver concerned for compensation (without much hope of recouping their dues).

I may be wrong, but maybe a lawyer would wish to clarify.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94750">David Buttigieg</a>.</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;the uninsured&#8221; &#8211; As far as I know, where there is bodily injury, the car&#8217;s insurers would be legally obliged to pay the damages due, even if the driver himself was not covered by the insurance policy (being under-age, not licensed or whatever),  The insurance company would then sue the driver concerned for compensation (without much hope of recouping their dues).</p>
<p>I may be wrong, but maybe a lawyer would wish to clarify.</p>
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		By: Grezz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grezz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So the Curia is not legally obliged to give any of the men compensation.

Was it, however, legally obliged to pay the ex-priests&#039; legal fees?   I doubt it.

Even if it weren&#039;t, but chose to do so anyhow, it would be admission on the church&#039;s part that the priests somehow needed their (albeit financial) help, since they formed part of the church community, even in their wrong-doings.

Where does that leave the boys (now men) who were left at their mercy?

X&#039;qatta nies bla skrupli u bla kuxjenza hawn.

I find their reasoning shocking - that all that is legal is morally acceptable.  It most certainly is not, especially when coming from the representatives in Malta of the Catholic Church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Curia is not legally obliged to give any of the men compensation.</p>
<p>Was it, however, legally obliged to pay the ex-priests&#8217; legal fees?   I doubt it.</p>
<p>Even if it weren&#8217;t, but chose to do so anyhow, it would be admission on the church&#8217;s part that the priests somehow needed their (albeit financial) help, since they formed part of the church community, even in their wrong-doings.</p>
<p>Where does that leave the boys (now men) who were left at their mercy?</p>
<p>X&#8217;qatta nies bla skrupli u bla kuxjenza hawn.</p>
<p>I find their reasoning shocking &#8211; that all that is legal is morally acceptable.  It most certainly is not, especially when coming from the representatives in Malta of the Catholic Church.</p>
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		By: David Buttigieg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Buttigieg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94750&quot;&gt;David Buttigieg&lt;/a&gt;.

The difficult legal question (to me - I&#039;m no lawyer) is how does the victim get compensation from priests who supposedly (being priests) have nothing?

I dragged employers into it because technically I suppose the church was their employer!  But if employers shouldn&#039;t be made to pay (I agree - it&#039;s ludicrous) why should the church?  That is were the legal question is a bit quirky to me.

I believe the church SHOULD be liable NOT because they are priests BUT because the abuse happened in a home administered by the church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94750">David Buttigieg</a>.</p>
<p>The difficult legal question (to me &#8211; I&#8217;m no lawyer) is how does the victim get compensation from priests who supposedly (being priests) have nothing?</p>
<p>I dragged employers into it because technically I suppose the church was their employer!  But if employers shouldn&#8217;t be made to pay (I agree &#8211; it&#8217;s ludicrous) why should the church?  That is were the legal question is a bit quirky to me.</p>
<p>I believe the church SHOULD be liable NOT because they are priests BUT because the abuse happened in a home administered by the church.</p>
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		By: David Buttigieg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Buttigieg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94739&quot;&gt;Stephen&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you that the compensation should be paid, but, taking the example of the drunk driver:

The drunk driver gets sent to prison, but is uninsured/joy riding and still lives with his parents or simply doesn&#039;t own property, and has little in the bank.

What happens?

Should his parents / family or employers be forced to pay?

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - OF COURSE NOT, DAVID. Once you are over 18, your parents are not responsible for your actions. And I can&#039;t see what his employers have got to do with it. The answer is that the unlucky person gets nothing, on the same principle that you can&#039;t get what you&#039;re owed from a company that&#039;s bankrupt.]&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s a difficult legal question!

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - It isn&#039;t, actually, at all.]&lt;/strong&gt;

I haven&#039;t followed the nitty gritty of the case but if the church knew of past problems with these pederasts then they should definitely shoulder part of the blame.

I believe that the the Church authorities must be legally responsible for the environment of church homes, just as I would hold school authorities responsible if, God forbid, something so terrible happened to a schoolchild on the premises.

And finally, how the hell do priests sworn to poverty afford those very pricey lawyers, did they offer their services pro bono?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94739">Stephen</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you that the compensation should be paid, but, taking the example of the drunk driver:</p>
<p>The drunk driver gets sent to prison, but is uninsured/joy riding and still lives with his parents or simply doesn&#8217;t own property, and has little in the bank.</p>
<p>What happens?</p>
<p>Should his parents / family or employers be forced to pay?</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; OF COURSE NOT, DAVID. Once you are over 18, your parents are not responsible for your actions. And I can&#8217;t see what his employers have got to do with it. The answer is that the unlucky person gets nothing, on the same principle that you can&#8217;t get what you&#8217;re owed from a company that&#8217;s bankrupt.]</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a difficult legal question!</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; It isn&#8217;t, actually, at all.]</strong></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t followed the nitty gritty of the case but if the church knew of past problems with these pederasts then they should definitely shoulder part of the blame.</p>
<p>I believe that the the Church authorities must be legally responsible for the environment of church homes, just as I would hold school authorities responsible if, God forbid, something so terrible happened to a schoolchild on the premises.</p>
<p>And finally, how the hell do priests sworn to poverty afford those very pricey lawyers, did they offer their services pro bono?</p>
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		By: A. Charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A. Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that there are two instances in Maltese law where moral damages are given.

1. People with disability who were discriminated against (Equal Opportunities Act 2000).

2. Persons who were about to be married and one of the spouses chickens out of the marriage at the last moment.

Am I right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that there are two instances in Maltese law where moral damages are given.</p>
<p>1. People with disability who were discriminated against (Equal Opportunities Act 2000).</p>
<p>2. Persons who were about to be married and one of the spouses chickens out of the marriage at the last moment.</p>
<p>Am I right?</p>
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		By: Dee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94737&quot;&gt;Wayne Hewitt&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you on this one, Mr Hewitt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/09/they%e2%80%99re-saving-their-pennies-for-the-next-referendum/#comment-94737">Wayne Hewitt</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you on this one, Mr Hewitt.</p>
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		By: Etil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Etil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sorry I do not agree with you on this one Daphne.   I do not think that being compensated financially will ever rid the victims of their trauma which is after all the crux of the whole matter.   The victims were traumatised for life.      Only sessions with a psychiatrist will help them overcome that.   What is the use of having money when the trauma will remain for life ?

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Better to be miserable in comfort than in poverty, Etil. That&#039;s what I always tell people when they bore me with &#039;money can&#039;t buy happiness&#039;. Funny how you never hear the rich say that.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry I do not agree with you on this one Daphne.   I do not think that being compensated financially will ever rid the victims of their trauma which is after all the crux of the whole matter.   The victims were traumatised for life.      Only sessions with a psychiatrist will help them overcome that.   What is the use of having money when the trauma will remain for life ?</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Better to be miserable in comfort than in poverty, Etil. That&#8217;s what I always tell people when they bore me with &#8216;money can&#8217;t buy happiness&#8217;. Funny how you never hear the rich say that.]</strong></p>
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		By: Reuben Scicluna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reuben Scicluna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew you&#039;d counter with something like that. The problem is that many people have trouble differentiating revenge from justice.

You still haven&#039;t provided a good enough reason for compensation. Adequate compensation, to really rub it in.

Perhaps the logic of their action will dawn on us when we see them crying all the way to the bank, as the man said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew you&#8217;d counter with something like that. The problem is that many people have trouble differentiating revenge from justice.</p>
<p>You still haven&#8217;t provided a good enough reason for compensation. Adequate compensation, to really rub it in.</p>
<p>Perhaps the logic of their action will dawn on us when we see them crying all the way to the bank, as the man said.</p>
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