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		By: aston		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-130395</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t agree with most of the comments here. I&#039;m actually amazed that there are 26 countrues who have so far agreed to having to submit their budgets to the EU for approval and face punitive measures if they don&#039;t reach 0.5% deficit levels. Some of these countries faced riots at home for implementing austerity measures with much more modest targets! I predict that, in spite of the apparent unity of the 26, we&#039;ll be seeing more and more of them fall by the wayside before the treaty is actually signed (if it ever is).

As to Britain, the guarantees it asked for were really quite modest and reasonable, I thought. Part of the &#039;City&#039; argument (i.e. Tobin tax) is actually a concern we share in Malta. Other requests included a guarantee that Britain could impose higher levels of regulation on its own banks than those agreed in the EU, as well as allowing the City to trade in Euros (apparently it can trade in any currency except Euros at the moment).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree with most of the comments here. I&#8217;m actually amazed that there are 26 countrues who have so far agreed to having to submit their budgets to the EU for approval and face punitive measures if they don&#8217;t reach 0.5% deficit levels. Some of these countries faced riots at home for implementing austerity measures with much more modest targets! I predict that, in spite of the apparent unity of the 26, we&#8217;ll be seeing more and more of them fall by the wayside before the treaty is actually signed (if it ever is).</p>
<p>As to Britain, the guarantees it asked for were really quite modest and reasonable, I thought. Part of the &#8216;City&#8217; argument (i.e. Tobin tax) is actually a concern we share in Malta. Other requests included a guarantee that Britain could impose higher levels of regulation on its own banks than those agreed in the EU, as well as allowing the City to trade in Euros (apparently it can trade in any currency except Euros at the moment).</p>
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		By: anthony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Better to be a British bulldog drifting on an island in the Atlantic than a poodle in Brussels&quot; -  Mark Pritchard (MP Con).

This is the true great British spirit embodied, as fate would have it, in the momentous decisions that historically have befallen  the Tory party to make.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Better to be a British bulldog drifting on an island in the Atlantic than a poodle in Brussels&#8221; &#8211;  Mark Pritchard (MP Con).</p>
<p>This is the true great British spirit embodied, as fate would have it, in the momentous decisions that historically have befallen  the Tory party to make.</p>
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		By: Jozef		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

Britain thinks, erroneously, that its interests don&#039;t coincide with those of the continent. 

One only has to remember what happened to its manufacturing base, something Europe intends to avoid, and with Draghi and Monti in place, the balance has shifted. 

It becomes preposterous today, to maintain a strategic policy based on privileged relations with a weakened US and if anything, the Eurozone has amplified this difference. The US itself is turning its back on Britain, albeit an ideological preference. 

How exactly does Britain intend to create jobs? If growth is the maintenance of dole seekers, it carries burdens beyond the capacity of any coalition in power. But then, Britain always reserved a right to its own strain of power and the production of wealth. 

No wonder they want to defend the city.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>Britain thinks, erroneously, that its interests don&#8217;t coincide with those of the continent. </p>
<p>One only has to remember what happened to its manufacturing base, something Europe intends to avoid, and with Draghi and Monti in place, the balance has shifted. </p>
<p>It becomes preposterous today, to maintain a strategic policy based on privileged relations with a weakened US and if anything, the Eurozone has amplified this difference. The US itself is turning its back on Britain, albeit an ideological preference. </p>
<p>How exactly does Britain intend to create jobs? If growth is the maintenance of dole seekers, it carries burdens beyond the capacity of any coalition in power. But then, Britain always reserved a right to its own strain of power and the production of wealth. </p>
<p>No wonder they want to defend the city.</p>
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		By: John Anon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What if Cameron&#039;s game plan was to divert financial dealings from mainland Europe to Britain by those who want to avoid the new transaction tax that is being proposed ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if Cameron&#8217;s game plan was to divert financial dealings from mainland Europe to Britain by those who want to avoid the new transaction tax that is being proposed ?</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t have to sell that argument. I&#039;ll just print it on a giant streamer attached to my Fokker (just to rub it in) and fly over London once the UK leaves the EU. 

Then I&#039;ll let the impoverished, unemployed masses (formerly top earners in financial institutions) make up their own minds. 

They&#039;ll be clamouring to be let back in. And this time round, it won&#039;t be a veto but unconditional surrender. 

The UK needs Europe more than Europe needs the UK. Even in the one thing they&#039;re really good at - fighting wars - they&#039;ve always been the ones to hold back European integration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to sell that argument. I&#8217;ll just print it on a giant streamer attached to my Fokker (just to rub it in) and fly over London once the UK leaves the EU. </p>
<p>Then I&#8217;ll let the impoverished, unemployed masses (formerly top earners in financial institutions) make up their own minds. </p>
<p>They&#8217;ll be clamouring to be let back in. And this time round, it won&#8217;t be a veto but unconditional surrender. </p>
<p>The UK needs Europe more than Europe needs the UK. Even in the one thing they&#8217;re really good at &#8211; fighting wars &#8211; they&#8217;ve always been the ones to hold back European integration.</p>
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		By: john		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes. The Tory position is that the City is being protected from Europe. Cameron maintains that Merkozy et al plan to legislate such that business will be able to be diverted from the City to mainland Europe, at heavy unbearable cost to the British economy.

The idea is that by not acquiescing to the new treaty, and thus not being subject to the proposed legislation, the City stands more of a sporting chance of survival whilst euroland inevitably disintegrates.

Undoubtedly the eurosceptics have influenced Cameron in arriving at this momentous decision. It&#039;s a complex issue, and time alone will tell wether the right decision has been taken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>Yes. The Tory position is that the City is being protected from Europe. Cameron maintains that Merkozy et al plan to legislate such that business will be able to be diverted from the City to mainland Europe, at heavy unbearable cost to the British economy.</p>
<p>The idea is that by not acquiescing to the new treaty, and thus not being subject to the proposed legislation, the City stands more of a sporting chance of survival whilst euroland inevitably disintegrates.</p>
<p>Undoubtedly the eurosceptics have influenced Cameron in arriving at this momentous decision. It&#8217;s a complex issue, and time alone will tell wether the right decision has been taken.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t understand what Cameron (or rather still, Britain) has to gain by resorting to veto a new treaty.

It seems to me that unfortunately, Britain&#039;s economy isn&#039;t doing so great either.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand what Cameron (or rather still, Britain) has to gain by resorting to veto a new treaty.</p>
<p>It seems to me that unfortunately, Britain&#8217;s economy isn&#8217;t doing so great either.</p>
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		By: Alfred Bugeja		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alfred Bugeja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah sure... I dare you to try selling that argument to any Briton at the moment. They all think that the British economy is self-made and that they&#039;re the financial powerhouse of Europe, when in fact a good chunk of the mess we&#039;re in was baked by the City.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129679">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah sure&#8230; I dare you to try selling that argument to any Briton at the moment. They all think that the British economy is self-made and that they&#8217;re the financial powerhouse of Europe, when in fact a good chunk of the mess we&#8217;re in was baked by the City.</p>
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		By: Peppi iehor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peppi iehor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the BBC, William Hague has said that David Cameron&#039;s negotiating position had been agreed upon beforehand with the coalition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the BBC, William Hague has said that David Cameron&#8217;s negotiating position had been agreed upon beforehand with the coalition.</p>
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		By: thinker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thinker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129659&quot;&gt;Shawn Mula&lt;/a&gt;.

Mula - read the whole thing again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2011/12/when-prime-ministers-fall-victim-to-their-backbenchers/#comment-129659">Shawn Mula</a>.</p>
<p>Mula &#8211; read the whole thing again.</p>
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