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		By: Francis Saliba MD		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-173302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Saliba MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is clearly wrong and devious is to divert the discussion of a hot legitimate topic into an irrelevant ad hominem attack on the personal qualities (true or false) of the participants.  That is a sure indication to the inability of the guilty commenter to contribute anything that is relevant and that could add anything of merit to the discussion.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I disagree. Politicians are nothing without their personal qualities. We are not androids.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is clearly wrong and devious is to divert the discussion of a hot legitimate topic into an irrelevant ad hominem attack on the personal qualities (true or false) of the participants.  That is a sure indication to the inability of the guilty commenter to contribute anything that is relevant and that could add anything of merit to the discussion.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; I disagree. Politicians are nothing without their personal qualities. We are not androids.]</strong></p>
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		By: David		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-173202</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A blasphemy in one language is still a blasphemy if stated in  another  language. However it also true that maybe due to the Maltese religious culture, there are more blasphemous expressions in Maltese than in English. Expressions in English which may sound religiously offensive to a Maltese person may not sound so blasphemous for an English person. They are still abusive but do not necessarily evoke an antireligious sentiment as they are used or understood in a metaphorical sense. 

Regarding personal attacks, in logic &quot;ad hominem&quot; arguments are considered invalid. Beyond logic, while freedom of expression is important, I believe it is not an absolute right. I would consider that the following go beyond the limit of legitimate freedom of expression:                                                                                                                                                                                  1. abusive language as saying a person is mad or ignorant, and                                                                                                                                                                                            2. the delving into the private life of an individual.                                                                                                                                                                                     We see the latter used quite often in the US political campaigns.                                                                                                                                                                          Owing to these limits,  there are libel laws in many countries to protect the reputation of persons.                                                                                                                                                                                   As has been said in the past  “O Liberté, que de crimes on commet en ton  nom!”

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Tedious David, back again. Ad hominen arguments are not valid in situations which require evidence and the proving of evidence, David. They are perfectly valid as criticism. An example: I don&#039;t trust a man who wears a wig; hence if a party leader wears a wig I am not going to trust him.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blasphemy in one language is still a blasphemy if stated in  another  language. However it also true that maybe due to the Maltese religious culture, there are more blasphemous expressions in Maltese than in English. Expressions in English which may sound religiously offensive to a Maltese person may not sound so blasphemous for an English person. They are still abusive but do not necessarily evoke an antireligious sentiment as they are used or understood in a metaphorical sense. </p>
<p>Regarding personal attacks, in logic &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; arguments are considered invalid. Beyond logic, while freedom of expression is important, I believe it is not an absolute right. I would consider that the following go beyond the limit of legitimate freedom of expression:                                                                                                                                                                                  1. abusive language as saying a person is mad or ignorant, and                                                                                                                                                                                            2. the delving into the private life of an individual.                                                                                                                                                                                     We see the latter used quite often in the US political campaigns.                                                                                                                                                                          Owing to these limits,  there are libel laws in many countries to protect the reputation of persons.                                                                                                                                                                                   As has been said in the past  “O Liberté, que de crimes on commet en ton  nom!”</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Tedious David, back again. Ad hominen arguments are not valid in situations which require evidence and the proving of evidence, David. They are perfectly valid as criticism. An example: I don&#8217;t trust a man who wears a wig; hence if a party leader wears a wig I am not going to trust him.]</strong></p>
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		By: ciccio		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-173011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ciccio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172262&quot;&gt;ciccio&lt;/a&gt;.

I have to add that it is possible that Brookes was also inspired by Professor Edward Scicluna&#039;s comments that he sides with the underdogs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172262">ciccio</a>.</p>
<p>I have to add that it is possible that Brookes was also inspired by Professor Edward Scicluna&#8217;s comments that he sides with the underdogs.</p>
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		By: John H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172353&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

I love Private Eye. Whenever I&#039;m in London it&#039;s the first thing I buy to have something to read on the tube or before I go to bed. 

And yes, the material on it would be grounds for the death penalty by Maltese standards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172353">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>I love Private Eye. Whenever I&#8217;m in London it&#8217;s the first thing I buy to have something to read on the tube or before I go to bed. </p>
<p>And yes, the material on it would be grounds for the death penalty by Maltese standards.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172697</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172164&quot;&gt;Antoine Vella&lt;/a&gt;.

Shall we tell them about Sebastian Horsley?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172164">Antoine Vella</a>.</p>
<p>Shall we tell them about Sebastian Horsley?</p>
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		By: G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t see how you can compare a political caricature to repeatedly stating without evidence that a public figure is involved in illegal cockfighting, or making immature homophobic slurs about your political opponents. 

As for your &quot;piece&quot; about Mintoff, you posted a picture and made up a (spurious) story about what circumstances it might have been taken in, Daily Mail style. It was deliberately offensive, but also crass and artless. 

Satirical material like the above is produced within well-defined legal boundaries designed to ensure political freedom of speech while protecting individual rights. What you do is propaganda, harassment and rabble-rousing. Shutting down this blog would not be an affront to freedom and democracy - quite the opposite.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Unbelievable. No, really, incredible. And do you know what&#039;s most shocking about your statement? Not the fact that like your average Laburist you just don&#039;t understand the principles of free expression and are uncomfortable with the concept. The shocking thing is that you fail to realise that the curtailment of the right to freedom of expression, and what followed on from that, including direct attacks on the free press through arson, is one of the worst memories that people my age and older have. So when you talk of closing down blogs, shutting up journalists and the like, you trigger off a Pavlovian response almost as strong as the sight of your emblema tal-partit. You don&#039;t protect the free press by targetting it, my dear. And your understanding of what constitutes satire is extremely weak. I generally find that people who think as you do are humourless - and that is why you think as you do. So a spoof about Grace Borg&#039;s talons becomes a &#039;hate comment&#039; or a &#039;personal attack&#039;, while everyone else just cracks up laughing. Your sort would have been a book-burner in another age, or sitting on some Inquisition Tribunal investigating known and notorious witches for magic and spreading false ideas.]&lt;/strong&gt; ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how you can compare a political caricature to repeatedly stating without evidence that a public figure is involved in illegal cockfighting, or making immature homophobic slurs about your political opponents. </p>
<p>As for your &#8220;piece&#8221; about Mintoff, you posted a picture and made up a (spurious) story about what circumstances it might have been taken in, Daily Mail style. It was deliberately offensive, but also crass and artless. </p>
<p>Satirical material like the above is produced within well-defined legal boundaries designed to ensure political freedom of speech while protecting individual rights. What you do is propaganda, harassment and rabble-rousing. Shutting down this blog would not be an affront to freedom and democracy &#8211; quite the opposite.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Unbelievable. No, really, incredible. And do you know what&#8217;s most shocking about your statement? Not the fact that like your average Laburist you just don&#8217;t understand the principles of free expression and are uncomfortable with the concept. The shocking thing is that you fail to realise that the curtailment of the right to freedom of expression, and what followed on from that, including direct attacks on the free press through arson, is one of the worst memories that people my age and older have. So when you talk of closing down blogs, shutting up journalists and the like, you trigger off a Pavlovian response almost as strong as the sight of your emblema tal-partit. You don&#8217;t protect the free press by targetting it, my dear. And your understanding of what constitutes satire is extremely weak. I generally find that people who think as you do are humourless &#8211; and that is why you think as you do. So a spoof about Grace Borg&#8217;s talons becomes a &#8216;hate comment&#8217; or a &#8216;personal attack&#8217;, while everyone else just cracks up laughing. Your sort would have been a book-burner in another age, or sitting on some Inquisition Tribunal investigating known and notorious witches for magic and spreading false ideas.]</strong> </p>
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		By: kiwi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kiwi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s also a poodle getting humped.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also a poodle getting humped.</p>
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		By: Dee		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/01/warning-major-personal-attack-up-ahead/#comment-172555</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[La krejta , ghoqod ghalija, jghid il-Malti.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La krejta , ghoqod ghalija, jghid il-Malti.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve an example which perfectly illustrates the YAWNING INTERGALACTIC SPACE between Malta and Britain. 

When Margaret Thatcher (&quot;Prime Minister Emeritus Baroness Doctorrrr Thatcher&quot; for the Maltese) had a stroke some seven years back, and ended up with a severe speech impediment, Private Eye published a front cover showing the ailing Thatcher, with an empty speech bubble and the title THATCHER SHOCK. 

I still treasure that issue.

Then there was the series of hilarious articles on Princess Diana&#039;s death. Or Princess Margaret&#039;s cremation (&quot;One last smoke. It&#039;s what she would have wanted.&quot;). And this is the royal family we&#039;re talking about. 

For those of you who think we&#039;re backwards, but slowly moving towards European standards in satire, think again. A quick look at your typical Maltese 1920s satirical cartoon and its 2012 counterpart will soon convince you otherwise.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve an example which perfectly illustrates the YAWNING INTERGALACTIC SPACE between Malta and Britain. </p>
<p>When Margaret Thatcher (&#8220;Prime Minister Emeritus Baroness Doctorrrr Thatcher&#8221; for the Maltese) had a stroke some seven years back, and ended up with a severe speech impediment, Private Eye published a front cover showing the ailing Thatcher, with an empty speech bubble and the title THATCHER SHOCK. </p>
<p>I still treasure that issue.</p>
<p>Then there was the series of hilarious articles on Princess Diana&#8217;s death. Or Princess Margaret&#8217;s cremation (&#8220;One last smoke. It&#8217;s what she would have wanted.&#8221;). And this is the royal family we&#8217;re talking about. </p>
<p>For those of you who think we&#8217;re backwards, but slowly moving towards European standards in satire, think again. A quick look at your typical Maltese 1920s satirical cartoon and its 2012 counterpart will soon convince you otherwise.</p>
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