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		By: Andreas Moser		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-189896</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas Moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting that everybody says &quot;education used to be better&quot; or &quot;the law degree that I got 30 years ago was worth much more&quot;, yet when we look back at discussions from 20 or 30 years ago, exactly the same was said. In fact, we can go all the way back to Plato who complained about the youth of his days.

If everything is always going downhill everywhere, how come we have progress as a human race on this planet? It can&#039;t be that bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that everybody says &#8220;education used to be better&#8221; or &#8220;the law degree that I got 30 years ago was worth much more&#8221;, yet when we look back at discussions from 20 or 30 years ago, exactly the same was said. In fact, we can go all the way back to Plato who complained about the youth of his days.</p>
<p>If everything is always going downhill everywhere, how come we have progress as a human race on this planet? It can&#8217;t be that bad.</p>
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		By: Andreas Moser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas Moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t the market weed out bad lawyers (how ever they are defined)? 

To take your example of the lawyer with numerous spelling mistakes in his letter: other lawyers, his clients, the courts will notice this. They will talk about it. If a lawyer constantly loses his cases, he won&#039;t find many new clients. A hot-shot-lawyer however will gain a good reputation and will find many clients, usually more than he can handle, so that he can pick the most profitable (or interesting if he is so inclined) cases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t the market weed out bad lawyers (how ever they are defined)? </p>
<p>To take your example of the lawyer with numerous spelling mistakes in his letter: other lawyers, his clients, the courts will notice this. They will talk about it. If a lawyer constantly loses his cases, he won&#8217;t find many new clients. A hot-shot-lawyer however will gain a good reputation and will find many clients, usually more than he can handle, so that he can pick the most profitable (or interesting if he is so inclined) cases.</p>
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		By: Andreas Moser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas Moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186497&quot;&gt;CaMiCasi&lt;/a&gt;.

The main resources when studying law (and the same is probably true for many other degrees) are your own time and your own brain. Other students, and may there be thousands of them, don&#039;t take this away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186497">CaMiCasi</a>.</p>
<p>The main resources when studying law (and the same is probably true for many other degrees) are your own time and your own brain. Other students, and may there be thousands of them, don&#8217;t take this away.</p>
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		By: Andreas Moser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas Moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186494&quot;&gt;Form IIC&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the kind of information I was looking for. Numbers. A bit more objective than some lawyer&#039;s spelling mistakes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186494">Form IIC</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the kind of information I was looking for. Numbers. A bit more objective than some lawyer&#8217;s spelling mistakes.</p>
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		By: No Problem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Problem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-187716&quot;&gt;Borromini&lt;/a&gt;.

Third time lucky?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-187716">Borromini</a>.</p>
<p>Third time lucky?</p>
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		By: Borromini		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Borromini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186486&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

Franco for Cardinal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186486">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>Franco for Cardinal</p>
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		By: Charles Cassar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Cassar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it is quite obvious that the law course needs BOTH proper gatekeeping as well as ongoing &#039;weeding out&#039; as you put  it. No need to prioritize one over the other. Both are crucial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is quite obvious that the law course needs BOTH proper gatekeeping as well as ongoing &#8216;weeding out&#8217; as you put  it. No need to prioritize one over the other. Both are crucial.</p>
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		By: Izzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Izzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-187182&quot;&gt;Not Tonight&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem is a different one.  The levels of English have dropped considerably.  It was always hard to get a grade A but nowadays it&#039;s almost a mirage.  

Students have to prepare not only language essays, literary texts and linguistics.  They have literary criticism which is all about interpretation and, to my mind, forms a crucial part on the interpretation of the law itself for a good lawyer&#039;s job is that of knowing how to juggle around words and come out with a convincing argument.  

Why English is considered a softer option I cannot understand.  I only think that, since the levels have dropped, a lot of up-marking is being done which means more mediocrity.  

I have always been against this practice, personally but having been an examiner in Malta and abroad, I know it is quite common practice.  Today, many students are plain lazy and instead of &quot;punching&quot; them back with their results, most university bodies prefer to inflate marks by 5 or 10%.  

I find the language argument holds more ground when students present write ups for their Economics topics.  I&#039;ve seen colleagues giving wonderful marks to well-written essays that had no value whatsoever subject wise.  

They were perfect in their grammar, punctuation, presentation but the contents were useless.  Yet this is more a question of validity rather than difficulty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-187182">Not Tonight</a>.</p>
<p>The problem is a different one.  The levels of English have dropped considerably.  It was always hard to get a grade A but nowadays it&#8217;s almost a mirage.  </p>
<p>Students have to prepare not only language essays, literary texts and linguistics.  They have literary criticism which is all about interpretation and, to my mind, forms a crucial part on the interpretation of the law itself for a good lawyer&#8217;s job is that of knowing how to juggle around words and come out with a convincing argument.  </p>
<p>Why English is considered a softer option I cannot understand.  I only think that, since the levels have dropped, a lot of up-marking is being done which means more mediocrity.  </p>
<p>I have always been against this practice, personally but having been an examiner in Malta and abroad, I know it is quite common practice.  Today, many students are plain lazy and instead of &#8220;punching&#8221; them back with their results, most university bodies prefer to inflate marks by 5 or 10%.  </p>
<p>I find the language argument holds more ground when students present write ups for their Economics topics.  I&#8217;ve seen colleagues giving wonderful marks to well-written essays that had no value whatsoever subject wise.  </p>
<p>They were perfect in their grammar, punctuation, presentation but the contents were useless.  Yet this is more a question of validity rather than difficulty.</p>
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		By: Izzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Izzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 02:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186987&quot;&gt;Lilla&lt;/a&gt;.

I assure you, Lilla, that teachers who graduated in the late 80s and 90s had a two-year probation period too.  

I was one of them and we had random inspections.  

When we were given the warrant signed by the then Minister of Education Ugo Mifsud Bonnici, it was backdated but given only after we had passed the test and from Teacher I we were then promoted to Teacher II.  

And yes, during our course (at that time it was still a 5 year course) we had one case in particular of a student who failed his teaching practice in the final year.  He never became a teacher, in fact.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186987">Lilla</a>.</p>
<p>I assure you, Lilla, that teachers who graduated in the late 80s and 90s had a two-year probation period too.  </p>
<p>I was one of them and we had random inspections.  </p>
<p>When we were given the warrant signed by the then Minister of Education Ugo Mifsud Bonnici, it was backdated but given only after we had passed the test and from Teacher I we were then promoted to Teacher II.  </p>
<p>And yes, during our course (at that time it was still a 5 year course) we had one case in particular of a student who failed his teaching practice in the final year.  He never became a teacher, in fact.</p>
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		By: Izzie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Izzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 02:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186670&quot;&gt;Francis Saliba MD&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree completely.  It was hoped that some police officers would follow law courses and become lawyers so as to present themselves better as prosecution officers, this because it&#039;s not the first time we have seen hardened criminals absolved by a good defence team that could portray them as victims and martyrs at the same time.  

Yet, the world outside the police force with the right connections is far more profitable.  That is why there should be some sort of employment binding clause when sending officials to university (remembering that they were getting full wages during their study period, not a little stipend).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/02/its-not-how-they-get-in-but-how-they-get-out/#comment-186670">Francis Saliba MD</a>.</p>
<p>I agree completely.  It was hoped that some police officers would follow law courses and become lawyers so as to present themselves better as prosecution officers, this because it&#8217;s not the first time we have seen hardened criminals absolved by a good defence team that could portray them as victims and martyrs at the same time.  </p>
<p>Yet, the world outside the police force with the right connections is far more profitable.  That is why there should be some sort of employment binding clause when sending officials to university (remembering that they were getting full wages during their study period, not a little stipend).</p>
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