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		By: ciccio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290714&quot;&gt;Danton&lt;/a&gt;.

Wikipedia reports that &quot;According to the New York Better Business Career Services website, the preferred dimensions for a male model are a height of 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) to 6 ft 2 in (188 cm), a waist of 30–35 in (76.20–88.90 cm) and a chest measurement of 36–40 in (91.44–101.60 cm).
Male runway models have been noted as being skinny and well toned.&quot;

I don&#039;t see you in there, Russell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290714">Danton</a>.</p>
<p>Wikipedia reports that &#8220;According to the New York Better Business Career Services website, the preferred dimensions for a male model are a height of 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) to 6 ft 2 in (188 cm), a waist of 30–35 in (76.20–88.90 cm) and a chest measurement of 36–40 in (91.44–101.60 cm).<br />
Male runway models have been noted as being skinny and well toned.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see you in there, Russell.</p>
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		By: La Redoute		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La Redoute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290714&quot;&gt;Danton&lt;/a&gt;.

Modelling portfolio? Are modelling standards now so low?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290714">Danton</a>.</p>
<p>Modelling portfolio? Are modelling standards now so low?</p>
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		By: Warren Finn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 02:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have always admired you, DCG. I know that your intention is not to be admired and to actually state what might be true to you, though your article to me sounds like a homophobic attack and I must admit that I&#039;m truly disappointed. 

Especially when it comes to the comments written under your article. In which people took advantage on what you wrote to rant against those, myself included who have different sexual preferences.

Regards, 
Warren Finn

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Dear Warren, I write about homosexual issues in the same way I write about women. I consider to be any treatment of either as a special case to be offensive, and that includes the patronising &#039;jahasra&#039; tone that accompanies most such public views. Just as I don&#039;t distinguish between women and men, except for the obvious fact that women have babies etc, so I don&#039;t distinguish between gay and straight. I really don&#039;t give a damn. That is what vociferous gay rights speakers are supposed to want, but when they get it, they get upset. They actually seem to want to be acknowledged for being gay, which is completely different from being taken as part of the crowd like everyone else. The comments beneath the posts: this is a free debate. It means you will sometimes read things that upset you, just as I sometimes read things that upset me, even here.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always admired you, DCG. I know that your intention is not to be admired and to actually state what might be true to you, though your article to me sounds like a homophobic attack and I must admit that I&#8217;m truly disappointed. </p>
<p>Especially when it comes to the comments written under your article. In which people took advantage on what you wrote to rant against those, myself included who have different sexual preferences.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Warren Finn</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Dear Warren, I write about homosexual issues in the same way I write about women. I consider to be any treatment of either as a special case to be offensive, and that includes the patronising &#8216;jahasra&#8217; tone that accompanies most such public views. Just as I don&#8217;t distinguish between women and men, except for the obvious fact that women have babies etc, so I don&#8217;t distinguish between gay and straight. I really don&#8217;t give a damn. That is what vociferous gay rights speakers are supposed to want, but when they get it, they get upset. They actually seem to want to be acknowledged for being gay, which is completely different from being taken as part of the crowd like everyone else. The comments beneath the posts: this is a free debate. It means you will sometimes read things that upset you, just as I sometimes read things that upset me, even here.]</strong></p>
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		By: Russell Sammut		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Sammut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290714&quot;&gt;Danton&lt;/a&gt;.

Nahseb qatt ma ftaht magazine, la tara tv u qatt ma smajt b modelling portfolio, dawk ftit ritratti min sitt photosessions! Qatt rajt il kappella sistina? Shock horror kollha nudi! Grow up vera ma ghandkomx xi tghidu jew qatt ma hrigtu mid dar! Hugs xxx]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290714">Danton</a>.</p>
<p>Nahseb qatt ma ftaht magazine, la tara tv u qatt ma smajt b modelling portfolio, dawk ftit ritratti min sitt photosessions! Qatt rajt il kappella sistina? Shock horror kollha nudi! Grow up vera ma ghandkomx xi tghidu jew qatt ma hrigtu mid dar! Hugs xxx</p>
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		By: Francis Saliba MD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Saliba MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could someone please define this new &quot;asexual&quot; creature? Is it some neologism for &quot;eunuch&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone please define this new &#8220;asexual&#8221; creature? Is it some neologism for &#8220;eunuch&#8221;?</p>
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		By: P Shaw		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290702&quot;&gt;Jozef&lt;/a&gt;.

That is why he &#039;listens&#039; to Enya&#039;s &quot;only time&quot;. He thinks that after the coming election, Gonzi will be ousted and he will be welcomed back with open arms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290702">Jozef</a>.</p>
<p>That is why he &#8216;listens&#8217; to Enya&#8217;s &#8220;only time&#8221;. He thinks that after the coming election, Gonzi will be ousted and he will be welcomed back with open arms.</p>
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		By: P Shaw		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 18:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290597&quot;&gt;Ian&lt;/a&gt;.

As far as I know, asexuals lack any sexual interest and do not have any sexual orientation. LGBT are classified (probably not the right word) as having a specific sexual orientation, but asexuals have none. it is the first time I read that asexuals have been included in an orientation category.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290597">Ian</a>.</p>
<p>As far as I know, asexuals lack any sexual interest and do not have any sexual orientation. LGBT are classified (probably not the right word) as having a specific sexual orientation, but asexuals have none. it is the first time I read that asexuals have been included in an orientation category.</p>
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		By: George Mifsud		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Mifsud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290597&quot;&gt;Ian&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Ian

He must have been referring to plants. Xi gidra bhalu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290597">Ian</a>.</p>
<p>@ Ian</p>
<p>He must have been referring to plants. Xi gidra bhalu.</p>
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		By: Rita B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290725&quot;&gt;Rita B&lt;/a&gt;.

Women even took their bras off in public to demonstrate for equality! 

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - No, actually they didn&#039;t. That&#039;s an urban legend.]&lt;/strong&gt;


And gays ARE special cases, there should be laws to protect the special case.. When people are abused they deserve special attention until reparations are made. When society matures to treat everyone equally then we can stop making special cases... We will not only have it both ways but we will ensure that people with your mentality will be pushed by the wayside... You are a homophobe, in denial.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I&#039;m afraid that it is you who has the problems, Rita. I have no problem with you, but you clearly have a problem with me. I can&#039;t stand the &#039;militant gays let&#039;s stick together&#039; approach. I never approved of women&#039;s networks, either. My philosophy: stay in the mainstream, because there are enough people trying to shove you into the puddles without obliging them by doing it yourself.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/07/evarist-gets-an-award-from-a-man-in-y-fronts-it-might-be-a-secret-service-honey-trap/#comment-290725">Rita B</a>.</p>
<p>Women even took their bras off in public to demonstrate for equality! </p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; No, actually they didn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s an urban legend.]</strong></p>
<p>And gays ARE special cases, there should be laws to protect the special case.. When people are abused they deserve special attention until reparations are made. When society matures to treat everyone equally then we can stop making special cases&#8230; We will not only have it both ways but we will ensure that people with your mentality will be pushed by the wayside&#8230; You are a homophobe, in denial.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid that it is you who has the problems, Rita. I have no problem with you, but you clearly have a problem with me. I can&#8217;t stand the &#8216;militant gays let&#8217;s stick together&#8217; approach. I never approved of women&#8217;s networks, either. My philosophy: stay in the mainstream, because there are enough people trying to shove you into the puddles without obliging them by doing it yourself.]</strong></p>
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		By: Rita B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is clear that Daphne and her scronies miss the point completely, and that is fine, you can rarely teach an aging dog new tricks... Particularly a bulldog who looks in the mirror and sees a well groomed bichon ... The aim of the award is to show gratitude to people who do good for society, in this case honoring people who have the courage to stand up for equality. That is since homophobes the likes of DCG can only bring themselves to ever add insult to injury. And should you think that gays (and yes also asexuals too) are treated fairly in Malta then you should really inform yourself better. 

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - It&#039;s cronies, not scronies, though I understand that with Russell&#039;s scrotum in our faces, you might have got a little confused. You are welcome to think of Evarist Bartolo as a soldier for equality. I happen to know he&#039;s the sort of soldier who will lie in the trenches and play dead to avoid a bit of work, and whose idea of equality is being driven everywhere by his wife while practically living off her for rather a long time. But that&#039;s by the by. If not giving a damn whether somebody is homosexual or heterosexual makes me a homophobe, then so be it. That&#039;s exactly the way it should be. The trouble with people like you is that you actually WANT to be seen as special cases deserving of special treatment. I&#039;m not surprised. There are plenty of women like that, who argue that they want equality when what they&#039;re really after is preferential treatment.]&lt;/strong&gt;

The gay community and our supporters do not feel the need to demean people on the basis of subjective moral norms, that we leave to the enlightened religious and bulldogs who think they are prettier than a sexy cub in underwear. 

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Ah, that&#039;s another thing. Women did not fight to get taken seriously by posing in their knickers wearing sailor caps. This is exactly what I mean when I say that you can&#039;t have it both ways - an unfortunate choice of expression in the circumstances, but there you go.If a gay man wants credibility, he&#039;s got to present himself in exactly the same way that a straight man who wants credibility presents himself. There are no special rules for gays. You can&#039;t pose in your Y-fronts, however sexy a cub you are, and expect to be appointed to the board.]&lt;/strong&gt;

At least the pics of Russell have good lighting, nice angles and a handsome specimen... They are tasteful, unlike the bitter comments above which are packed with resentment, hate and attempts to belittle. The award elevates recipients and empowers gays, homophobia jabs and bullies... We will let those who have their priorities in check decide for themselves which is more socially productive and culturally beneficial. 

Gays have been pushed around long enough, we have been spat at, beaten, told to just deal with it and denied basic rights. It is a positive thing to give a pat on the back to those who go out of their way to help our cause. That is ALL the soldier award does. Your empty words of hate, filled with attempts to ridicule and demean those who deserve to be elevated will get nowhere in modern society. It just shows your true colors, and let me clarify to you, it is not a rainbow!

So before you cast your stones ask yourself &quot;what have I done that is of real benefit to society&quot; and for the love of &quot;Christ&quot; do get a doctor to correct your vision before looking in the mirror next time you call others &quot;ugly&quot;.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Did I call Russell ugly? I did not. I merely pointed out that it is a very bad idea to pose for photographs wearing Y-fronts and a sailor cap, whether you are a man, a woman, gay or straight. I repeat: there are no special rules for homosexuals. That is exactly what you want, but when you get it, you then insist on special rules, including the right to be taken seriously when photographed in Marks &amp; Spencers Y-fronts.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that Daphne and her scronies miss the point completely, and that is fine, you can rarely teach an aging dog new tricks&#8230; Particularly a bulldog who looks in the mirror and sees a well groomed bichon &#8230; The aim of the award is to show gratitude to people who do good for society, in this case honoring people who have the courage to stand up for equality. That is since homophobes the likes of DCG can only bring themselves to ever add insult to injury. And should you think that gays (and yes also asexuals too) are treated fairly in Malta then you should really inform yourself better. </p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; It&#8217;s cronies, not scronies, though I understand that with Russell&#8217;s scrotum in our faces, you might have got a little confused. You are welcome to think of Evarist Bartolo as a soldier for equality. I happen to know he&#8217;s the sort of soldier who will lie in the trenches and play dead to avoid a bit of work, and whose idea of equality is being driven everywhere by his wife while practically living off her for rather a long time. But that&#8217;s by the by. If not giving a damn whether somebody is homosexual or heterosexual makes me a homophobe, then so be it. That&#8217;s exactly the way it should be. The trouble with people like you is that you actually WANT to be seen as special cases deserving of special treatment. I&#8217;m not surprised. There are plenty of women like that, who argue that they want equality when what they&#8217;re really after is preferential treatment.]</strong></p>
<p>The gay community and our supporters do not feel the need to demean people on the basis of subjective moral norms, that we leave to the enlightened religious and bulldogs who think they are prettier than a sexy cub in underwear. </p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Ah, that&#8217;s another thing. Women did not fight to get taken seriously by posing in their knickers wearing sailor caps. This is exactly what I mean when I say that you can&#8217;t have it both ways &#8211; an unfortunate choice of expression in the circumstances, but there you go.If a gay man wants credibility, he&#8217;s got to present himself in exactly the same way that a straight man who wants credibility presents himself. There are no special rules for gays. You can&#8217;t pose in your Y-fronts, however sexy a cub you are, and expect to be appointed to the board.]</strong></p>
<p>At least the pics of Russell have good lighting, nice angles and a handsome specimen&#8230; They are tasteful, unlike the bitter comments above which are packed with resentment, hate and attempts to belittle. The award elevates recipients and empowers gays, homophobia jabs and bullies&#8230; We will let those who have their priorities in check decide for themselves which is more socially productive and culturally beneficial. </p>
<p>Gays have been pushed around long enough, we have been spat at, beaten, told to just deal with it and denied basic rights. It is a positive thing to give a pat on the back to those who go out of their way to help our cause. That is ALL the soldier award does. Your empty words of hate, filled with attempts to ridicule and demean those who deserve to be elevated will get nowhere in modern society. It just shows your true colors, and let me clarify to you, it is not a rainbow!</p>
<p>So before you cast your stones ask yourself &#8220;what have I done that is of real benefit to society&#8221; and for the love of &#8220;Christ&#8221; do get a doctor to correct your vision before looking in the mirror next time you call others &#8220;ugly&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Did I call Russell ugly? I did not. I merely pointed out that it is a very bad idea to pose for photographs wearing Y-fronts and a sailor cap, whether you are a man, a woman, gay or straight. I repeat: there are no special rules for homosexuals. That is exactly what you want, but when you get it, you then insist on special rules, including the right to be taken seriously when photographed in Marks &#038; Spencers Y-fronts.]</strong></p>
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