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	<description>Daphne Caruana Galizia is a journalist working in Malta.</description>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Anna Caruana, you&#039;re right on the facts, but that wasn&#039;t my point. Yes, Maltese politicians do have a highly unenlightened tendency to build their policies and ideologies on Catholic doctrine, and they&#039;re idiots for doing it. Their arguments - both PN and MLP - against legalising abortion are a case in point. 

We both want a secular democracy. So how is MLP supposed to bring about that? 

Because last time I checked, its deputies were attending some highly questionable Catholic ceremonies (mass for the opening of this and that, &quot;forensic&quot; years and parliament and all the rest of it), they were meeting senior Catholic officials and kissing archbishops&#039;s rings, they were hosting parties for Eid el-Fitr (very secular indeed) and they are regular guests of honour at Catholic band clubs and such.

Let be frank here. Secularism in Malta is all about gay sex, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>Anna Caruana, you&#8217;re right on the facts, but that wasn&#8217;t my point. Yes, Maltese politicians do have a highly unenlightened tendency to build their policies and ideologies on Catholic doctrine, and they&#8217;re idiots for doing it. Their arguments &#8211; both PN and MLP &#8211; against legalising abortion are a case in point. </p>
<p>We both want a secular democracy. So how is MLP supposed to bring about that? </p>
<p>Because last time I checked, its deputies were attending some highly questionable Catholic ceremonies (mass for the opening of this and that, &#8220;forensic&#8221; years and parliament and all the rest of it), they were meeting senior Catholic officials and kissing archbishops&#8217;s rings, they were hosting parties for Eid el-Fitr (very secular indeed) and they are regular guests of honour at Catholic band clubs and such.</p>
<p>Let be frank here. Secularism in Malta is all about gay sex, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: Jozef		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Funny how the movement shouldn&#039;t have seats for Catholics.

As for JohnUSA&#039;s argument, I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re being disingenuous here.

According to the Church, it&#039;s sexuality for pleasure&#039;s sake that induces sin. Heterosexuals are told to control their lust and regard what you call intimacy in the name of reproduction. Yes boring. 

The counterargument, proposed by the jesuits, is the love behind the act, which doesn&#039;t differentiate between hetero and homo. 

Could we please not reduce everything to the freedom of getting laid?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>Funny how the movement shouldn&#8217;t have seats for Catholics.</p>
<p>As for JohnUSA&#8217;s argument, I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re being disingenuous here.</p>
<p>According to the Church, it&#8217;s sexuality for pleasure&#8217;s sake that induces sin. Heterosexuals are told to control their lust and regard what you call intimacy in the name of reproduction. Yes boring. </p>
<p>The counterargument, proposed by the jesuits, is the love behind the act, which doesn&#8217;t differentiate between hetero and homo. </p>
<p>Could we please not reduce everything to the freedom of getting laid?</p>
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		By: Mr. Fantastic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Fantastic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I loved the WTF! section. Sooo progressive. He is digging his own grave bless him. I guess if Joseph keeps talking the more votes he keeps losing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the WTF! section. Sooo progressive. He is digging his own grave bless him. I guess if Joseph keeps talking the more votes he keeps losing.</p>
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		By: Neil Dent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Dent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dik ix-xoffa t&#039;isfel! SOOO trying to do a &#039;Dear Dom&#039;, so much so that it&#039;s sickening. The subject matter, within the Mintoff comparison makes his ranting and raving pretty ridiculous, or worrying even, considering his past, clearly expressed &#039;policies&#039; on the matter.

What a prat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dik ix-xoffa t&#8217;isfel! SOOO trying to do a &#8216;Dear Dom&#8217;, so much so that it&#8217;s sickening. The subject matter, within the Mintoff comparison makes his ranting and raving pretty ridiculous, or worrying even, considering his past, clearly expressed &#8216;policies&#8217; on the matter.</p>
<p>What a prat.</p>
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		By: anna caruana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna caruana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403266&quot;&gt;ciccio&lt;/a&gt;.

What violence was there when Dr Sant was in goverment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403266">ciccio</a>.</p>
<p>What violence was there when Dr Sant was in goverment.</p>
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		By: Neil Dent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Dent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh bloody hell, JohnUSA (X&#039;int kburi - although rather misplaced in the context). 

Surely even you can spot when you&#039;re well and truly whipped by simple, sound argument and good sense.

What - you think up this drivel, post it, and that&#039;s it - argument won? Keyboard mightier than the sword? What nonsense

Do you, perchance, rub shoulders with a certain Mr. E. Privitera when back here, disgracing us with your garish presence? Your English may be a bit better but.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>Oh bloody hell, JohnUSA (X&#8217;int kburi &#8211; although rather misplaced in the context). </p>
<p>Surely even you can spot when you&#8217;re well and truly whipped by simple, sound argument and good sense.</p>
<p>What &#8211; you think up this drivel, post it, and that&#8217;s it &#8211; argument won? Keyboard mightier than the sword? What nonsense</p>
<p>Do you, perchance, rub shoulders with a certain Mr. E. Privitera when back here, disgracing us with your garish presence? Your English may be a bit better but&#8230;..</p>
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		By: anna caruana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna caruana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Does the church have a seat in parliament, wasn t it a pn parliamentarian that said  il madonna qeghda tibki.

Didn t Gonzi vote against divorce because of his religious beliefs.

Visjoni PN 2014 held in Sliema had 3 priest on the panel.

The church does not need seats in parliament it occupys seats on both sides already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>Does the church have a seat in parliament, wasn t it a pn parliamentarian that said  il madonna qeghda tibki.</p>
<p>Didn t Gonzi vote against divorce because of his religious beliefs.</p>
<p>Visjoni PN 2014 held in Sliema had 3 priest on the panel.</p>
<p>The church does not need seats in parliament it occupys seats on both sides already.</p>
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		By: anna caruana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna caruana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-402042&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

Gay individuals may not marry other gay individuals of the same sex.

Same sex individuals are not allowed to adopt children together .

I don t understand why you re playing with words.

I don t know what PL will do when and if elected .

What I do know is what PN came up with after 20 years in goverment, Co habitation bill which is a complete farce.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-402042">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>Gay individuals may not marry other gay individuals of the same sex.</p>
<p>Same sex individuals are not allowed to adopt children together .</p>
<p>I don t understand why you re playing with words.</p>
<p>I don t know what PL will do when and if elected .</p>
<p>What I do know is what PN came up with after 20 years in goverment, Co habitation bill which is a complete farce.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

So who are we voting for here? Political parties or religious denominations? Because JohnUSA has me confused.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>So who are we voting for here? Political parties or religious denominations? Because JohnUSA has me confused.</p>
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		By: johnUSA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnUSA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040&quot;&gt;johnUSA&lt;/a&gt;.

No the Church doesn&#039;t have seats in parliament. But the governing party very close to it does. That&#039;s the whole point. PN always aims to please the church, specjalment lately, b Gonzi jivvota le ghad-divorzju. Ha, ha, ha.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2012/09/gosh-how-progressive-and-liberal-all-this-talk-of-hell-fire-and-damnation/#comment-403040">johnUSA</a>.</p>
<p>No the Church doesn&#8217;t have seats in parliament. But the governing party very close to it does. That&#8217;s the whole point. PN always aims to please the church, specjalment lately, b Gonzi jivvota le ghad-divorzju. Ha, ha, ha.</p>
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