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	<description>Daphne Caruana Galizia is a journalist working in Malta.</description>
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		By: mattie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She will not have a state funeral because her wishes were to not have one. Her funeral will be the same as that of the late Queen Mother&#039;s and Princess Diana&#039;s.

The funeral, it is said, will cost 10 million.  The costs are due to high security costs, needed.

But she brought 72 billion into the British economy.

May God Bless you always, and may you always rest in peace, Baroness Thatcher.  

One great leader - most definitely.  Bil-fatti u bir-raguni.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She will not have a state funeral because her wishes were to not have one. Her funeral will be the same as that of the late Queen Mother&#8217;s and Princess Diana&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The funeral, it is said, will cost 10 million.  The costs are due to high security costs, needed.</p>
<p>But she brought 72 billion into the British economy.</p>
<p>May God Bless you always, and may you always rest in peace, Baroness Thatcher.  </p>
<p>One great leader &#8211; most definitely.  Bil-fatti u bir-raguni.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-954057&quot;&gt;La Redoute&lt;/a&gt;.

No. Even if I did, I still have a Maltese passport. The thing I hate most after my genes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-954057">La Redoute</a>.</p>
<p>No. Even if I did, I still have a Maltese passport. The thing I hate most after my genes.</p>
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		By: La Redoute		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La Redoute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-952870&quot;&gt;H.P. Baxxter&lt;/a&gt;.

Hadn&#039;t you said you lived elsewhere?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-952870">H.P. Baxxter</a>.</p>
<p>Hadn&#8217;t you said you lived elsewhere?</p>
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		By: C C		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When Mintoff died I said on Facebook, &quot;Satan is busy tonight&quot; and all hell broke loose. Because in this country everyone is a saint on his death bed and once you are dead we seem to forget all the bad things you did in your life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Mintoff died I said on Facebook, &#8220;Satan is busy tonight&#8221; and all hell broke loose. Because in this country everyone is a saint on his death bed and once you are dead we seem to forget all the bad things you did in your life.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a difference between disagreeing with and criticising both living and dead persons and insulting and sowing hatred against both living and dead people. In this sense I still think that the Roman saying on dead people as well as  libel laws are still valid.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - You exaggerate greatly, David, besides being a living and breathing example of the mentality I describe (and despise). I said what I thought about Mintoff while he was alive, and death changes nothing about my views or my willingness to describe them.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a difference between disagreeing with and criticising both living and dead persons and insulting and sowing hatred against both living and dead people. In this sense I still think that the Roman saying on dead people as well as  libel laws are still valid.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; You exaggerate greatly, David, besides being a living and breathing example of the mentality I describe (and despise). I said what I thought about Mintoff while he was alive, and death changes nothing about my views or my willingness to describe them.]</strong></p>
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		By: Żeża ta' Bubaqra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Żeża ta' Bubaqra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-952602&quot;&gt;Żeża ta&#039; Bubaqra&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s funny how I knew that the &quot;bad taste&quot; comment would be the one that would sting Maybe you do give a &quot;flying monkey&#039;s&quot; after all. That you &quot;shan&#039;t bother&quot; about the rest hints towards not having a sound argument for the rest, although it seems to me that your sizable paragraph addressed most of my comment.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - You are quite wrong. It doesn&#039;t sting at all. It irritates greatly. The concerns of the socially anxious are not mine, and their expectation that I should share them is misplaced and very, very annoying. Bad taste doesn&#039;t bother me. Bad manners do. Too many people can&#039;t tell the difference and confuse the one with the other.  Unfortunately, the socially anxious don&#039;t understand this, because they think their anxiety is normal and the natural default position. It isn&#039;t. My idea of hell is a long line of people fretting about what other people think of them, all wearing the same clothes and living in the same kind of houses, and having the same conversations and doing what they believe to be socially acceptable and in good taste. The land of beige and black and disapproving twittering.]&lt;/strong&gt;

I didn&#039;t imply anywhere in my comment that bad taste is against the law. There are many things the law allows that could be done in bad taste. 

You&#039;re right, I actually do say &quot;lounge&quot; on occasion (specifically when the word &quot;lounge&quot; refers to a location I&#039;d like to meet someone such as &quot;business lounge&quot;, &quot;first class lounge&quot; etc.). I&#039;ve never said &quot;serviette&quot; or &quot;garidge&quot;. I thought I might just give you some more data for your study on people who use the phrase &quot;bad taste&quot;. 

I understand your point of view on why you said what you said about Mintoff. I still think that it was in bad taste. Thinking that I&#039;m ignorant and slow because I still think that it is in bad taste shows that you&#039;re the ignorant one because you&#039;ve no idea who I am. Telling me that I say things like &quot;garidge&quot; really just shows that your passing judgement on me is simply incorrect and the rest of your judgement on me, like the implication that I&#039;m slow, is also much more incorrect. 

Although I can see how this disguise of a screen name can make you think so. After all, it is intentional. :)

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I never said you are ignorant and slow. You are obviously not ignorant because you form proper sentences. I said that you are overly preoccupied with what other people think of you, and desperately keen that you be thought well of and a cut above the rest. And that&#039;s an accurate observation. When people describe something as being in bad taste, what they are actually saying is that they think of themselves as being in good taste and want others to think the same. What I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; say is that those who discuss taste in the behaviour of others are socially anxious (which is true). The non-socially-anxious sort people according to manners, not taste, and don&#039;t confuse the two. Saying of a dead bastard &#039;May God rot his soul&#039; is perfectly acceptable. Greeting somebody the wrong way, wearing inappropriate clothes for an occasion over which somebody has taken a great deal of trouble, or handling your knife and fork badly, are not. I don&#039;t see why I should have to explain these things. You suffer anxieties about certain things. I don&#039;t. Leave it at that. This is not a point-scoring exercise, so don&#039;t treat it as one.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-952602">Żeża ta&#8217; Bubaqra</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how I knew that the &#8220;bad taste&#8221; comment would be the one that would sting Maybe you do give a &#8220;flying monkey&#8217;s&#8221; after all. That you &#8220;shan&#8217;t bother&#8221; about the rest hints towards not having a sound argument for the rest, although it seems to me that your sizable paragraph addressed most of my comment.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; You are quite wrong. It doesn&#8217;t sting at all. It irritates greatly. The concerns of the socially anxious are not mine, and their expectation that I should share them is misplaced and very, very annoying. Bad taste doesn&#8217;t bother me. Bad manners do. Too many people can&#8217;t tell the difference and confuse the one with the other.  Unfortunately, the socially anxious don&#8217;t understand this, because they think their anxiety is normal and the natural default position. It isn&#8217;t. My idea of hell is a long line of people fretting about what other people think of them, all wearing the same clothes and living in the same kind of houses, and having the same conversations and doing what they believe to be socially acceptable and in good taste. The land of beige and black and disapproving twittering.]</strong></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t imply anywhere in my comment that bad taste is against the law. There are many things the law allows that could be done in bad taste. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I actually do say &#8220;lounge&#8221; on occasion (specifically when the word &#8220;lounge&#8221; refers to a location I&#8217;d like to meet someone such as &#8220;business lounge&#8221;, &#8220;first class lounge&#8221; etc.). I&#8217;ve never said &#8220;serviette&#8221; or &#8220;garidge&#8221;. I thought I might just give you some more data for your study on people who use the phrase &#8220;bad taste&#8221;. </p>
<p>I understand your point of view on why you said what you said about Mintoff. I still think that it was in bad taste. Thinking that I&#8217;m ignorant and slow because I still think that it is in bad taste shows that you&#8217;re the ignorant one because you&#8217;ve no idea who I am. Telling me that I say things like &#8220;garidge&#8221; really just shows that your passing judgement on me is simply incorrect and the rest of your judgement on me, like the implication that I&#8217;m slow, is also much more incorrect. </p>
<p>Although I can see how this disguise of a screen name can make you think so. After all, it is intentional. :)</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; I never said you are ignorant and slow. You are obviously not ignorant because you form proper sentences. I said that you are overly preoccupied with what other people think of you, and desperately keen that you be thought well of and a cut above the rest. And that&#8217;s an accurate observation. When people describe something as being in bad taste, what they are actually saying is that they think of themselves as being in good taste and want others to think the same. What I <em>did</em> say is that those who discuss taste in the behaviour of others are socially anxious (which is true). The non-socially-anxious sort people according to manners, not taste, and don&#8217;t confuse the two. Saying of a dead bastard &#8216;May God rot his soul&#8217; is perfectly acceptable. Greeting somebody the wrong way, wearing inappropriate clothes for an occasion over which somebody has taken a great deal of trouble, or handling your knife and fork badly, are not. I don&#8217;t see why I should have to explain these things. You suffer anxieties about certain things. I don&#8217;t. Leave it at that. This is not a point-scoring exercise, so don&#8217;t treat it as one.]</strong></p>
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		By: Gahan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[POSTED BY: Carmel Grima — 11/04/2013 13:17:16 Ma qalux il-wikileaks li fl-15/10/1979 ministry fil-gvern tieghu kien qed jirkattah u qalghalu l-irvellijiet ta&#039; dak inhar; li Dom Mintoff kellu ihalli bniedem innocenti u habib tieghu(infatti li kieku ma kienx ghal indhill personali tieghu, Lorry Sant ta ordni biex joqtluh f&#039;Kastilja stess biex jinghalqu l-kotba)Karm Grima jigi iffrejmjat min l-avukar taghana stess; li wara l-elezzjoni tal-1980 l-Imhallef Lino Agius baghat lill-missieri, Karm Grima ghal ghomru Monte Carmeli fuq tlitt certifikati medici foloz u hu kien jaf x&#039;se jigri bhalma kien jaf Dr. EFA u Dr. de Marco imma kellu jghalaq halqu ghax il-Lorry kellu ritratti personali hafna li wara ta&#039; bniedem baxx kixifhoim fil-parlament stess; li l-Kabinett ta&#039; MLP ta&#039; 1980 ha l-gurament mhux lejn il-Prim Mintoff imma lejn il-Kabinett stess ghax dom Mintoff ried li issir elezzjoni gdida ghax ma gabx il-maggioranza tal-unijiet (qalli ex ministru tar-ruh hafna);u li minflok irranga l-hnizirijiet li kienu qed isiru minflok warrab u ghamel bniedem incapaci li jaffronta l-Lorry u ic-corma tieghu;li dak iz-zmien kemm il-PN u kemm l-MLP kienu klikka fit-terrur li inqala biex jidher l-MLP ikrah.(elementi taz-zewg partiti).


http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/newsdetails/news/national/Dom-Mintoff-The-Kissinger-Cables-20130411]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POSTED BY: Carmel Grima — 11/04/2013 13:17:16 Ma qalux il-wikileaks li fl-15/10/1979 ministry fil-gvern tieghu kien qed jirkattah u qalghalu l-irvellijiet ta&#8217; dak inhar; li Dom Mintoff kellu ihalli bniedem innocenti u habib tieghu(infatti li kieku ma kienx ghal indhill personali tieghu, Lorry Sant ta ordni biex joqtluh f&#8217;Kastilja stess biex jinghalqu l-kotba)Karm Grima jigi iffrejmjat min l-avukar taghana stess; li wara l-elezzjoni tal-1980 l-Imhallef Lino Agius baghat lill-missieri, Karm Grima ghal ghomru Monte Carmeli fuq tlitt certifikati medici foloz u hu kien jaf x&#8217;se jigri bhalma kien jaf Dr. EFA u Dr. de Marco imma kellu jghalaq halqu ghax il-Lorry kellu ritratti personali hafna li wara ta&#8217; bniedem baxx kixifhoim fil-parlament stess; li l-Kabinett ta&#8217; MLP ta&#8217; 1980 ha l-gurament mhux lejn il-Prim Mintoff imma lejn il-Kabinett stess ghax dom Mintoff ried li issir elezzjoni gdida ghax ma gabx il-maggioranza tal-unijiet (qalli ex ministru tar-ruh hafna);u li minflok irranga l-hnizirijiet li kienu qed isiru minflok warrab u ghamel bniedem incapaci li jaffronta l-Lorry u ic-corma tieghu;li dak iz-zmien kemm il-PN u kemm l-MLP kienu klikka fit-terrur li inqala biex jidher l-MLP ikrah.(elementi taz-zewg partiti).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/newsdetails/news/national/Dom-Mintoff-The-Kissinger-Cables-20130411" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/newsdetails/news/national/Dom-Mintoff-The-Kissinger-Cables-20130411</a></p>
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		By: Gahan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, in your article you wrote about the Middle Eastern mentality of some of us, here’s another example:

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130410/local/government-writes-to-vatican-requesting-talks-for-revision-of.465015

Why should our Joseph Zapatero discuss Maltese law with a foreign entity?There’s nothing to talk about with the Holy See. The Maltese Parliament has the power to change any law, no need to “dicuss”, just inform the Holy See politely...punto e basta!

With another note verbal he could have cordially informed the Holy See that annulments by the Church would still be recognised , but couples should be left at liberty which tribunal they choose , as there are instances where one of the spouses prefers not to use the Ecclesiastical Tribunal.

If Joseph wants to put up a show , then the Vatican can tell him to enter from the side door.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, in your article you wrote about the Middle Eastern mentality of some of us, here’s another example:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130410/local/government-writes-to-vatican-requesting-talks-for-revision-of.465015" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130410/local/government-writes-to-vatican-requesting-talks-for-revision-of.465015</a></p>
<p>Why should our Joseph Zapatero discuss Maltese law with a foreign entity?There’s nothing to talk about with the Holy See. The Maltese Parliament has the power to change any law, no need to “dicuss”, just inform the Holy See politely&#8230;punto e basta!</p>
<p>With another note verbal he could have cordially informed the Holy See that annulments by the Church would still be recognised , but couples should be left at liberty which tribunal they choose , as there are instances where one of the spouses prefers not to use the Ecclesiastical Tribunal.</p>
<p>If Joseph wants to put up a show , then the Vatican can tell him to enter from the side door.</p>
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		By: Mandy Mallia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy Mallia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-952340&quot;&gt;NLA&lt;/a&gt;.

The whole state funeral was a farce. And to think that the miserly bastard even got his own funeral paid out of our taxes,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-952340">NLA</a>.</p>
<p>The whole state funeral was a farce. And to think that the miserly bastard even got his own funeral paid out of our taxes,</p>
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		By: Mandy Mallia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy Mallia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-953242&quot;&gt;Mandy Mallia&lt;/a&gt;.

Memories of Mintoff will survive the generations, but not for the reasons the bastard himself would have wished.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/do-by-all-means-speak-ill-of-the-dead-if-they-were-influential-in-life/#comment-953242">Mandy Mallia</a>.</p>
<p>Memories of Mintoff will survive the generations, but not for the reasons the bastard himself would have wished.</p>
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