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	Comments on: In saying that the time of parties is over, and that his is a movement, Muscat echoes Benito Mussolini&#8230;and Beppe Grillo	</title>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-934387&quot;&gt;L.G&lt;/a&gt;.

Ahem. Mussolini after TWO world wars?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-934387">L.G</a>.</p>
<p>Ahem. Mussolini after TWO world wars?</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-932390&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

I get a whiff of Imperium Europa off you, David.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-932390">David</a>.</p>
<p>I get a whiff of Imperium Europa off you, David.</p>
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		By: L.G		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-934387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No. Comparing Beppe Grillo to Mussoloni is wrong on all counts but mainly because the two lived in different eras. 

Mussolini did not have the internet. Mussolini came after two world wars. 

Beppe Grillo is the result of rampant corruption in Italy. 

Grillo&#039;s votes were protest votes because Italy is on its knees thanks to years of corruption (all parties) and Mario Monti and his team who failed miserably on all counts. 

Beppe Grillo became necessary to break the pattern, to make politicians aware that they were being watched. 

As an example, thanks to the Grillini we are not lumped with an idiot like Franceschini as leader of the House. Beppe Grillo will disappear in a couple of years, he knows it and accepts it. 

Farrell from The Spectator does not know what he&#039;s talking about - he obviously does not pay tax nor face businesses closing every day in their hundreds.

Joseph Muscat is yet another kettle of fish. Muscat is thriving on a brilliant marketing exercise and on the weaknesses of the Nationalist Party, which is on self-destruct mode.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Comparing Beppe Grillo to Mussoloni is wrong on all counts but mainly because the two lived in different eras. </p>
<p>Mussolini did not have the internet. Mussolini came after two world wars. </p>
<p>Beppe Grillo is the result of rampant corruption in Italy. </p>
<p>Grillo&#8217;s votes were protest votes because Italy is on its knees thanks to years of corruption (all parties) and Mario Monti and his team who failed miserably on all counts. </p>
<p>Beppe Grillo became necessary to break the pattern, to make politicians aware that they were being watched. </p>
<p>As an example, thanks to the Grillini we are not lumped with an idiot like Franceschini as leader of the House. Beppe Grillo will disappear in a couple of years, he knows it and accepts it. </p>
<p>Farrell from The Spectator does not know what he&#8217;s talking about &#8211; he obviously does not pay tax nor face businesses closing every day in their hundreds.</p>
<p>Joseph Muscat is yet another kettle of fish. Muscat is thriving on a brilliant marketing exercise and on the weaknesses of the Nationalist Party, which is on self-destruct mode.</p>
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		By: Alexis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-932196&quot;&gt;gil&lt;/a&gt;.

He also needs to improve on his posture.

Malta taghna lkoll Prime Minister slouches in his chair with his legs in an awkward position, as has been seen during various interviews on television.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-932196">gil</a>.</p>
<p>He also needs to improve on his posture.</p>
<p>Malta taghna lkoll Prime Minister slouches in his chair with his legs in an awkward position, as has been seen during various interviews on television.</p>
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		By: kram		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The similarity is bewildering]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The similarity is bewildering</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The time for politicals parties is indeed over. Tthe established political parties will eventually lose their influence and power over the citizens because of the internet.

if you read some of Grillo&#039;s books or listen to his speeches that&#039;s what he&#039;s talking about.

The internet is destroying well established businesses: the airline industry, travel agencies, blockbusters, the music industry, retail, tv productions, advertising agencies, printed media...now it&#039;s time that politics get the hit too.

The only problem with Muscat&#039;s words is that he&#039;s actually leading a political party and not a movement.

The &#039;movement&#039; was only a brand to attract PN voters that perhaps may have finding it difficult to vote Labour. The plan worked just fine, because many people are too stupid to realize that they still voted for a political party called Partit Laburista.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The time for politicals parties is indeed over. Tthe established political parties will eventually lose their influence and power over the citizens because of the internet.</p>
<p>if you read some of Grillo&#8217;s books or listen to his speeches that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s talking about.</p>
<p>The internet is destroying well established businesses: the airline industry, travel agencies, blockbusters, the music industry, retail, tv productions, advertising agencies, printed media&#8230;now it&#8217;s time that politics get the hit too.</p>
<p>The only problem with Muscat&#8217;s words is that he&#8217;s actually leading a political party and not a movement.</p>
<p>The &#8216;movement&#8217; was only a brand to attract PN voters that perhaps may have finding it difficult to vote Labour. The plan worked just fine, because many people are too stupid to realize that they still voted for a political party called Partit Laburista.</p>
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		By: Tabatha White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tabatha White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-931580&quot;&gt;maryanne&lt;/a&gt;.

Am I following your link about who is actually organising the puppet show for the master puppet?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/04/in-saying-that-the-time-of-parties-is-over-and-that-his-is-a-movement-muscat-echoes-benito-mussolini-and-beppe-grillo/#comment-931580">maryanne</a>.</p>
<p>Am I following your link about who is actually organising the puppet show for the master puppet?</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe this analysis is wrong. As many stated in the comments below the article on Grillo, such comparisons are ridiculous. A UK author would probably not be very versed in Italian politics. 

Many Italians wanted change and voted for a different type of political group from the traditional parties. Grillo wants to reduce allowances given to politicians. He thus wants to reduce the old system where politicans try their best to milk the system. In a democracy we must respect the decision of the electorate. We can on the other hand abolish elections and so there is no fascist threat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this analysis is wrong. As many stated in the comments below the article on Grillo, such comparisons are ridiculous. A UK author would probably not be very versed in Italian politics. </p>
<p>Many Italians wanted change and voted for a different type of political group from the traditional parties. Grillo wants to reduce allowances given to politicians. He thus wants to reduce the old system where politicans try their best to milk the system. In a democracy we must respect the decision of the electorate. We can on the other hand abolish elections and so there is no fascist threat.</p>
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		By: gil		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well Joey definitely has his chin and the same way of holding himself as well as being both short and plump .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Joey definitely has his chin and the same way of holding himself as well as being both short and plump .</p>
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		By: Jozef		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s going down in the polls. 4% points in a week. 

Following last week&#039;s maneouvres, Crimi, his spokesman for the senate just expressed doubts about Grillo&#039;s delusionary tactics. The same Crimi however, has become a bit of a joke, denying every statement he makes after &#039;consultation&#039; behind closed doors. 

Grillo&#039;s limited by the absence of a party and a structured process. Basically the blog&#039;s outdone itself, internal dissent is growing and labelling these as trolls is causing havoc. It&#039;s paranoia with people insisting on a separate &#039;website&#039;. 

Following Bersani&#039;s ridiculous exercise to get Grillo to reason, Napolitano decided to appoint two commissions to produce a draft program of works to be undertaken by the other parties. 

Basically the president isolated Grillo, diluting him of support by taking up a considerable part of his manifesto for execution. 

The discussion now is whether the movement should subscribe to the nation and adopt a staunch opposition or to itself.  The bluff to default however seems to have scared Angela Merkel, a unanimous vote to release 90 billion in arrears to SME&#039;s was taken yesterday, following the ECB&#039;s go ahead. 

Companies were declaring bankruptcy on credit. 

But then, in Italy one is obliged to pay Irpef, a tax on employees, notwithstanding making a loss. Even if the debtor is the state itself. 

Then there&#039;s the IMU, a property tax enforced even on those companies whose warehouses were either flooded or demolished due earthquakes. 

Grillo just got endorsed by Marie Le Pen. Hopefully, he won&#039;t fall for it. The dilemma however is clear, muting the movement can remove the pressure to change the above. 

The target ultimately, is Brussels itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s going down in the polls. 4% points in a week. </p>
<p>Following last week&#8217;s maneouvres, Crimi, his spokesman for the senate just expressed doubts about Grillo&#8217;s delusionary tactics. The same Crimi however, has become a bit of a joke, denying every statement he makes after &#8216;consultation&#8217; behind closed doors. </p>
<p>Grillo&#8217;s limited by the absence of a party and a structured process. Basically the blog&#8217;s outdone itself, internal dissent is growing and labelling these as trolls is causing havoc. It&#8217;s paranoia with people insisting on a separate &#8216;website&#8217;. </p>
<p>Following Bersani&#8217;s ridiculous exercise to get Grillo to reason, Napolitano decided to appoint two commissions to produce a draft program of works to be undertaken by the other parties. </p>
<p>Basically the president isolated Grillo, diluting him of support by taking up a considerable part of his manifesto for execution. </p>
<p>The discussion now is whether the movement should subscribe to the nation and adopt a staunch opposition or to itself.  The bluff to default however seems to have scared Angela Merkel, a unanimous vote to release 90 billion in arrears to SME&#8217;s was taken yesterday, following the ECB&#8217;s go ahead. </p>
<p>Companies were declaring bankruptcy on credit. </p>
<p>But then, in Italy one is obliged to pay Irpef, a tax on employees, notwithstanding making a loss. Even if the debtor is the state itself. </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the IMU, a property tax enforced even on those companies whose warehouses were either flooded or demolished due earthquakes. </p>
<p>Grillo just got endorsed by Marie Le Pen. Hopefully, he won&#8217;t fall for it. The dilemma however is clear, muting the movement can remove the pressure to change the above. </p>
<p>The target ultimately, is Brussels itself.</p>
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