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	Comments on: Forced genital mutilation is illegal already, Mr Fearne	</title>
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	<description>Daphne Caruana Galizia is a journalist working in Malta.</description>
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		By: kev		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1165446</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kev]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t need specific laws at all. There are two basic categories of crime: on the person and on one&#039;s property. Crimes on the person include homicide and various degrees of bodily harm, while property crimes include gain under false pretence along with theft, with or without violence. That is all we basically need. Most other crimes are either superfluous or downright criminalisation of the market.

But we&#039;ve been bred to believe that the more criminal laws we enact the more civilised we become. As in most other cases in this topsy-turvy world, the contrary is the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t need specific laws at all. There are two basic categories of crime: on the person and on one&#8217;s property. Crimes on the person include homicide and various degrees of bodily harm, while property crimes include gain under false pretence along with theft, with or without violence. That is all we basically need. Most other crimes are either superfluous or downright criminalisation of the market.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve been bred to believe that the more criminal laws we enact the more civilised we become. As in most other cases in this topsy-turvy world, the contrary is the truth.</p>
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		By: Ganna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ganna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can I recommend a good book on genital mutilation please? DESERT FLOWER  by Waris Dirie. It is an autobiography of this Somali girl turned model who now fights against this terrible ritual in various cultures.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Why would anybody want &quot;a good book on genital mutilation&quot;? ]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I recommend a good book on genital mutilation please? DESERT FLOWER  by Waris Dirie. It is an autobiography of this Somali girl turned model who now fights against this terrible ritual in various cultures.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Why would anybody want &#8220;a good book on genital mutilation&#8221;? ]</strong></p>
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		By: Liberal		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1164843</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liberal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162663&quot;&gt;Joe Fenech&lt;/a&gt;.

It is so easy to judge people without knowing anything about them, isn&#039;t it.  

Care to explain how you come to the conclusion that people from &quot;lawless nations&quot; will never abide by laws?

You shouldn&#039;t judge whole groups of people by the actions of the few who make the news, unless you are prepared to come to the conclusion that the Maltese are all rapists, child molesters, murderers and thieves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162663">Joe Fenech</a>.</p>
<p>It is so easy to judge people without knowing anything about them, isn&#8217;t it.  </p>
<p>Care to explain how you come to the conclusion that people from &#8220;lawless nations&#8221; will never abide by laws?</p>
<p>You shouldn&#8217;t judge whole groups of people by the actions of the few who make the news, unless you are prepared to come to the conclusion that the Maltese are all rapists, child molesters, murderers and thieves.</p>
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		By: Aristotle		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1164087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aristotle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geez dear Hypatia, your theory re Daph didn&#039;t quite make the level.  Tut tut]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez dear Hypatia, your theory re Daph didn&#8217;t quite make the level.  Tut tut</p>
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		By: Hypatia		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1163252</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hypatia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The terrible procedure is called &quot;infibulation&quot; (from Latin &quot;fibula&quot;, a pin that was used to fasten a cloak).  The atrocity is common in the horn of Africa and, though not exactly a muslim practice and is also practised by some non-muslims, it is mostly done by muslims.  The procedure is designed to put women under the total control of men by eliminating completely the possibility of sexual pleasure. It is the ultimate in rendering women mere chattels. The poignant movie &quot;Desert Flower&quot; tells the story of Waris Dirie, a model, who, as a child, had been infibulated.

I do not quite agree that a law specifically banning infibulation would be superfluous or irrelevant as it could impose special penalities on the perpetrators.  For instance, child abuse is illegal but there are special provisions which contemplate special penalties in certain contexts.  Enacting special laws when general laws exist is nothing new and the special law would over-ride the general one (lex specialis derogat generalis).  It is my view that one should not politicize this matter.

I know that Daphne will not upload this or, if she does, she will shoot down my arguments.  It is now established that she will not admit the possibility that she may err. Just as the PN can do no wrong in her eyes, the PL can do nothing right.  All is grist for the political mill as far as she us concerned.  Oh well, this all goes to show that we live in a democracy and that is as it should be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terrible procedure is called &#8220;infibulation&#8221; (from Latin &#8220;fibula&#8221;, a pin that was used to fasten a cloak).  The atrocity is common in the horn of Africa and, though not exactly a muslim practice and is also practised by some non-muslims, it is mostly done by muslims.  The procedure is designed to put women under the total control of men by eliminating completely the possibility of sexual pleasure. It is the ultimate in rendering women mere chattels. The poignant movie &#8220;Desert Flower&#8221; tells the story of Waris Dirie, a model, who, as a child, had been infibulated.</p>
<p>I do not quite agree that a law specifically banning infibulation would be superfluous or irrelevant as it could impose special penalities on the perpetrators.  For instance, child abuse is illegal but there are special provisions which contemplate special penalties in certain contexts.  Enacting special laws when general laws exist is nothing new and the special law would over-ride the general one (lex specialis derogat generalis).  It is my view that one should not politicize this matter.</p>
<p>I know that Daphne will not upload this or, if she does, she will shoot down my arguments.  It is now established that she will not admit the possibility that she may err. Just as the PN can do no wrong in her eyes, the PL can do nothing right.  All is grist for the political mill as far as she us concerned.  Oh well, this all goes to show that we live in a democracy and that is as it should be.</p>
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		By: FP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548&quot;&gt;FP&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m all for protection, Patrick.  Don&#039;t get me wrong.

But unless this becomes a universal right, there can be no meaningful protection.

And in any case, a law to prevent genital mutilation can never be enforced.

What is a young child to do when at the mercy of his or her slayer?  Invoke their rights?  Or perhaps even later in life?  What would be the point then?  How can that ever be &quot;protection&quot;?

This is totally unenforceable.  And as long as there&#039;s religion- and culture-imposed ignorance in this world, genital mutilation is here to stay.  Any form of protection against it would be an illusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548">FP</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for protection, Patrick.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong.</p>
<p>But unless this becomes a universal right, there can be no meaningful protection.</p>
<p>And in any case, a law to prevent genital mutilation can never be enforced.</p>
<p>What is a young child to do when at the mercy of his or her slayer?  Invoke their rights?  Or perhaps even later in life?  What would be the point then?  How can that ever be &#8220;protection&#8221;?</p>
<p>This is totally unenforceable.  And as long as there&#8217;s religion- and culture-imposed ignorance in this world, genital mutilation is here to stay.  Any form of protection against it would be an illusion.</p>
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		By: Patrik		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162730</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548&quot;&gt;FP&lt;/a&gt;.

FP: I agree and it&#039;s been a both administrative and legal roller coaster. As far as I know there has only been two cases, of mutilations taking place in a foreign state, which have led to a sentence. 

That said, there is something to be said about the protection of young girls, who unfortunately are under the control of their parents and at a whim to the laws of the country they are taken to and I can&#039;t think of a better way to protect them - while at the same time seeing the strong analogy of the same argument being used in cases of abortion (as per Daphne&#039;s comment above).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548">FP</a>.</p>
<p>FP: I agree and it&#8217;s been a both administrative and legal roller coaster. As far as I know there has only been two cases, of mutilations taking place in a foreign state, which have led to a sentence. </p>
<p>That said, there is something to be said about the protection of young girls, who unfortunately are under the control of their parents and at a whim to the laws of the country they are taken to and I can&#8217;t think of a better way to protect them &#8211; while at the same time seeing the strong analogy of the same argument being used in cases of abortion (as per Daphne&#8217;s comment above).</p>
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		By: FP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548&quot;&gt;FP&lt;/a&gt;.

Having jurisdiction of what happens in another state, even if by your own citizens, and tried upon their return, is illegal to my mind.

As I said, surprising.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - It&#039;s a lot more complicated than that.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548">FP</a>.</p>
<p>Having jurisdiction of what happens in another state, even if by your own citizens, and tried upon their return, is illegal to my mind.</p>
<p>As I said, surprising.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; It&#8217;s a lot more complicated than that.]</strong></p>
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		By: Joe Fenech		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Fenech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People from lawless nations will never abide by laws. See what happens in the UK, Germany, France, Italy......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People from lawless nations will never abide by laws. See what happens in the UK, Germany, France, Italy&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Patrik		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548&quot;&gt;FP&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s not jurisdiction in another state, even though the crime took place. They are charged as and when (if) they return to Sweden.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/forced-genital-mutilation-is-illegal-already-mr-fearne/#comment-1162548">FP</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not jurisdiction in another state, even though the crime took place. They are charged as and when (if) they return to Sweden.</p>
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