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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2014 11:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I live in england. Over last few years my nan developed dementia and was cared for by my aunt and family, to the point where my aunt could no longer cope.

Because the government care homes were full she was placed in the mount carmel unit for elderly care. All seemed fine at first and family visited her on a daily basis. Quite often she was sleeping or quite non responsive. Turned out she was being drugged and tied to her chair, because she wanted to go home. She was also told to go to the toilet in her pad, when requested. Her legs had swelled due to lack of movment....and god knows what else was going on... We are so helpless back in england,but would like to know where to write to to investigate the matter....this is not human care, it is against human rights.. Thankfully my aunt refused to leave her there much longer, and although a struggle, she has taken her home, where she looks a picture of health compared to other photos taken when she was in the so called care of mount carmel. 
Please can someone tell me who i need to write too, not just for my nan but for other paitents who are in there..if this is the last few months or years of their life, is this a humane way to spend them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in england. Over last few years my nan developed dementia and was cared for by my aunt and family, to the point where my aunt could no longer cope.</p>
<p>Because the government care homes were full she was placed in the mount carmel unit for elderly care. All seemed fine at first and family visited her on a daily basis. Quite often she was sleeping or quite non responsive. Turned out she was being drugged and tied to her chair, because she wanted to go home. She was also told to go to the toilet in her pad, when requested. Her legs had swelled due to lack of movment&#8230;.and god knows what else was going on&#8230; We are so helpless back in england,but would like to know where to write to to investigate the matter&#8230;.this is not human care, it is against human rights.. Thankfully my aunt refused to leave her there much longer, and although a struggle, she has taken her home, where she looks a picture of health compared to other photos taken when she was in the so called care of mount carmel.<br />
Please can someone tell me who i need to write too, not just for my nan but for other paitents who are in there..if this is the last few months or years of their life, is this a humane way to spend them.</p>
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		By: verita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[verita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was left for a night and a day in the corridor which someone was  calling the new extension. It was freezing at night and had to walk to the toilet a good way which was detrimental to my medical situation.The worst part was when I was told to be thankful as at least I had a bed.I had to put all my belongings at the foot of the bed as not even a chair was provided.Muscat,Dalli and Godfrey should spend a couple of days as I did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was left for a night and a day in the corridor which someone was  calling the new extension. It was freezing at night and had to walk to the toilet a good way which was detrimental to my medical situation.The worst part was when I was told to be thankful as at least I had a bed.I had to put all my belongings at the foot of the bed as not even a chair was provided.Muscat,Dalli and Godfrey should spend a couple of days as I did.</p>
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		By: Francis Saliba M.D.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Saliba M.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 06:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1671852&quot;&gt;Claude Sciberras&lt;/a&gt;.

They should have started the promised scheme of &quot;POYC medicines delivered to your door&quot; with this woman. Then no one would have learnt about this perversion of the &quot;Malta Taghna Lkoll&quot; unkept promise by a supposedly transparent new Labour Movement that is beginning to look more and more like a patient suffering from Ballo di San Vito.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1671852">Claude Sciberras</a>.</p>
<p>They should have started the promised scheme of &#8220;POYC medicines delivered to your door&#8221; with this woman. Then no one would have learnt about this perversion of the &#8220;Malta Taghna Lkoll&#8221; unkept promise by a supposedly transparent new Labour Movement that is beginning to look more and more like a patient suffering from Ballo di San Vito.</p>
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		By: Claude Sciberras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claude Sciberras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I heard this news item on the radio I thought that if you are going to send a patient to Mount Carmel then why wasn&#039;t he/she sent there before?  Unless our doctors and the Hospital administration are completely incompetent I would assume that whoever should not be at Mater Dei hospital would have been sent immediately, one wouldn&#039;t wait until the hospital is full.  One should not send someone out just because he needs more space.  

And then a scary thought came to mind, in the age of Malta Taghna Ilkoll, what criteria will they be using to send these patients out of Mater Dei and into Mount Carmel or St. Vincent de Paule?

Last week I was at the Pharmacy and whilst I was waiting a woman came in to argue with the Pharmacist.  Apparently the woman needs some medicine and the pharmacy (poyc) had been telling her that the medicine was out of stock.  She had called the ministry and within hours a courier came to the Pharmacy with a few boxes of said medicine.  The Ministry then phoned the woman and told her to go quickly to the Pharmacy as the medicines had been delivered.  The woman  went to the Pharmacy and asked for the medicine.  The Pharmacist did the right thing and only gave her one box leaving the others for the other clients who had also been waiting for this medicine.  The woman then came back for the other boxes and when the pharmacist told her these would be given to others she went into a fit saying that these were sent from the ministry for her not for others and that she had been waiting for weeks so she should be given the pills she had not been given.  Anyway, the point is that this is the way medicines are being distributed in the POYC nowadays.  No wonder we were promised delivery door-to-door.  

When you see these things happening then you cannot be confident that in such a move only the patient&#039;s interests are being considered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard this news item on the radio I thought that if you are going to send a patient to Mount Carmel then why wasn&#8217;t he/she sent there before?  Unless our doctors and the Hospital administration are completely incompetent I would assume that whoever should not be at Mater Dei hospital would have been sent immediately, one wouldn&#8217;t wait until the hospital is full.  One should not send someone out just because he needs more space.  </p>
<p>And then a scary thought came to mind, in the age of Malta Taghna Ilkoll, what criteria will they be using to send these patients out of Mater Dei and into Mount Carmel or St. Vincent de Paule?</p>
<p>Last week I was at the Pharmacy and whilst I was waiting a woman came in to argue with the Pharmacist.  Apparently the woman needs some medicine and the pharmacy (poyc) had been telling her that the medicine was out of stock.  She had called the ministry and within hours a courier came to the Pharmacy with a few boxes of said medicine.  The Ministry then phoned the woman and told her to go quickly to the Pharmacy as the medicines had been delivered.  The woman  went to the Pharmacy and asked for the medicine.  The Pharmacist did the right thing and only gave her one box leaving the others for the other clients who had also been waiting for this medicine.  The woman then came back for the other boxes and when the pharmacist told her these would be given to others she went into a fit saying that these were sent from the ministry for her not for others and that she had been waiting for weeks so she should be given the pills she had not been given.  Anyway, the point is that this is the way medicines are being distributed in the POYC nowadays.  No wonder we were promised delivery door-to-door.  </p>
<p>When you see these things happening then you cannot be confident that in such a move only the patient&#8217;s interests are being considered.</p>
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		By: Gaetano Pace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gaetano Pace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When there used to be half a dozen patients waiting at casualty for beds to be prepared in the wards, Super One journalists, now turned government consultants, turned them into heart-rending news for the Labour Party&#039;s television station.

Barely a year later, and there are patients in corridors all over the hospital. But there are no Super One reporters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When there used to be half a dozen patients waiting at casualty for beds to be prepared in the wards, Super One journalists, now turned government consultants, turned them into heart-rending news for the Labour Party&#8217;s television station.</p>
<p>Barely a year later, and there are patients in corridors all over the hospital. But there are no Super One reporters.</p>
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		By: gosh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1670251&quot;&gt;Natalie&lt;/a&gt;.

Rather simply put, biex jaqdu lin-nies taghhom qed izommu x-xjuh li qed juhdu post dawk li ghandom bzonn. 

Before this Labour government took over patients were not kept beyond the basic recovery time. 

Now they are stuck with elderly patients whose families do not want to care for them taking up precious bed space. 

Seeing a repeat of St. Luke&#039;s in less than 12 months is a true disaster. 

This was the main default of separating the elderly portfolio from that of health. One Minister binning the responsibility to another Minister.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1670251">Natalie</a>.</p>
<p>Rather simply put, biex jaqdu lin-nies taghhom qed izommu x-xjuh li qed juhdu post dawk li ghandom bzonn. </p>
<p>Before this Labour government took over patients were not kept beyond the basic recovery time. </p>
<p>Now they are stuck with elderly patients whose families do not want to care for them taking up precious bed space. </p>
<p>Seeing a repeat of St. Luke&#8217;s in less than 12 months is a true disaster. </p>
<p>This was the main default of separating the elderly portfolio from that of health. One Minister binning the responsibility to another Minister.</p>
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		By: Anthony		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1670726&quot;&gt;QahbuMalti&lt;/a&gt;.

The Road Map to Nowhere   by Tanya Reinhart (I think).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1670726">QahbuMalti</a>.</p>
<p>The Road Map to Nowhere   by Tanya Reinhart (I think).</p>
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		By: Francis Saliba M.D.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Saliba M.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This may be creating a Mater Dei Hospital shortcut to jump the queue of hundreds of deserving old people already waiting patiently their turn to be admitted to St Vincent de Paule Geriatric Hospital or any queue of criminals sentenced to prison but waiting for admission to Mt Carmel Hospital instead.

What a clever, clever stratagen that would be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be creating a Mater Dei Hospital shortcut to jump the queue of hundreds of deserving old people already waiting patiently their turn to be admitted to St Vincent de Paule Geriatric Hospital or any queue of criminals sentenced to prison but waiting for admission to Mt Carmel Hospital instead.</p>
<p>What a clever, clever stratagen that would be.</p>
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		By: C Falzon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C Falzon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very appropriate and accidentally correct that &quot;Service unavailable&quot;  error right under the picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very appropriate and accidentally correct that &#8220;Service unavailable&#8221;  error right under the picture.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 19:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1670281&quot;&gt;Tabatha White&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve seen patients (there really is no other words for them) led into the polling station on stretchers in a non-responsive state.

I&#039;ve seen frail old men and women wearing oxygen masks, sleeping or to all intents and purposes unconscious, being led into the polling stations. 

I&#039;ve seen voters who would be judged non compos mentis in court being led into the polling stations.

So I really don&#039;t know where we draw the line, or if we even have one. Who these people vote for is anyone&#039;s guess. I suppose if the senile ones ask to give the Number One to Mintoff, the assistants will just choose the most popular Labour candidate, or if they ask to vote for Enrico Mizzi, for a PN candidate. But what if some senile pepe voter, silver-haired, cataract-eyed and wearing an RMA blazer badge, asks to vote for Lord Strickland and damn Jerry&#039;s eyes? Would that be classified as a vote for AD?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/hospital-overcrowding-excess-patients-to-be-sent-to-mount-carmel-psychiatric-hospital-or-st-vincent-de-paule-home-for-the-aged/#comment-1670281">Tabatha White</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen patients (there really is no other words for them) led into the polling station on stretchers in a non-responsive state.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen frail old men and women wearing oxygen masks, sleeping or to all intents and purposes unconscious, being led into the polling stations. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen voters who would be judged non compos mentis in court being led into the polling stations.</p>
<p>So I really don&#8217;t know where we draw the line, or if we even have one. Who these people vote for is anyone&#8217;s guess. I suppose if the senile ones ask to give the Number One to Mintoff, the assistants will just choose the most popular Labour candidate, or if they ask to vote for Enrico Mizzi, for a PN candidate. But what if some senile pepe voter, silver-haired, cataract-eyed and wearing an RMA blazer badge, asks to vote for Lord Strickland and damn Jerry&#8217;s eyes? Would that be classified as a vote for AD?</p>
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