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	Comments on: President Abela takes a stand against Muscat&#8217;s civil unions bill	</title>
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	<description>Daphne Caruana Galizia is a journalist working in Malta.</description>
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		By: Claude Sciberras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claude Sciberras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674566&quot;&gt;follower&lt;/a&gt;.

But don&#039;t forget that she was one of the only PL MPs to speak against divorce if I&#039;m not mistaken so I&#039;m thinking that she is also against gay marriage and adoption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674566">follower</a>.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t forget that she was one of the only PL MPs to speak against divorce if I&#8217;m not mistaken so I&#8217;m thinking that she is also against gay marriage and adoption.</p>
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		By: jackie		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674946</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jackie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 19:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is certainly true to say that Abela&#039;s current intransigence is even more serious then Gonzi&#039;s divorce stance fiasco. However, I think it&#039;s worth pointing out that Abela, Gonzi and Fenech Adami are all equally guilty of confusing bigotry with morality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is certainly true to say that Abela&#8217;s current intransigence is even more serious then Gonzi&#8217;s divorce stance fiasco. However, I think it&#8217;s worth pointing out that Abela, Gonzi and Fenech Adami are all equally guilty of confusing bigotry with morality.</p>
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		By: follower		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674566</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[follower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674333&quot;&gt;Claude&lt;/a&gt;.

Ma nahsibx ta. Minn pecluqa ma nistenniex affarijiet ta&#039; barra minn hawn. 

Ma tarax kemm tahraqha qalbha ghall-fqir tant li ghandha stonku li tonfoq minn jaf kemm elufi minn fuq dar il-fqir biex tirranga residenza presidenzjali go Ghawdex. Tghid mhux ha tmur ghall-irhas tender. Direct order ghal xi hadd tal-qalba. Issa naraw kemm bravuri ha jkun hemm f&#039;din il-presidenza.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674333">Claude</a>.</p>
<p>Ma nahsibx ta. Minn pecluqa ma nistenniex affarijiet ta&#8217; barra minn hawn. </p>
<p>Ma tarax kemm tahraqha qalbha ghall-fqir tant li ghandha stonku li tonfoq minn jaf kemm elufi minn fuq dar il-fqir biex tirranga residenza presidenzjali go Ghawdex. Tghid mhux ha tmur ghall-irhas tender. Direct order ghal xi hadd tal-qalba. Issa naraw kemm bravuri ha jkun hemm f&#8217;din il-presidenza.</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1673066&quot;&gt;rob&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, so what about homosexual couples who take the decision to form a family and have children]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1673066">rob</a>.</p>
<p>Well, so what about homosexual couples who take the decision to form a family and have children</p>
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		By: Jozef		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674483</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I find disturbing is the secrecy of it all. Surely the public ought to know what the arguments are. 

And if the President happens to hold an idea countering Muscat&#039;s stance, which incidentally preempts dialogue on a pragmatic raison d&#039;etre, the prime minister doesn&#039;t really have to keep eveything under wraps. 

He stated a number of times the legitimacy of his argument rests on dogged blind determination in the name of equality. 

But maybe yes, same sex marriage isn&#039;t as popular as divorce. Well, that does contradict Muscat&#039;s premise that he&#039;ll carry it through notwithstanding orthodox resistance to defend and uphold minorities does it? 

He put his name to it. Repeatedly and solemnly. Scout&#039;s honour. 

How disappointing this man is, bravado followed by calculated moves to conserve his following. Becoming consistently predictable in all his moves. 

At this rate, even mundane Marsaxlokk may be on hold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find disturbing is the secrecy of it all. Surely the public ought to know what the arguments are. </p>
<p>And if the President happens to hold an idea countering Muscat&#8217;s stance, which incidentally preempts dialogue on a pragmatic raison d&#8217;etre, the prime minister doesn&#8217;t really have to keep eveything under wraps. </p>
<p>He stated a number of times the legitimacy of his argument rests on dogged blind determination in the name of equality. </p>
<p>But maybe yes, same sex marriage isn&#8217;t as popular as divorce. Well, that does contradict Muscat&#8217;s premise that he&#8217;ll carry it through notwithstanding orthodox resistance to defend and uphold minorities does it? </p>
<p>He put his name to it. Repeatedly and solemnly. Scout&#8217;s honour. </p>
<p>How disappointing this man is, bravado followed by calculated moves to conserve his following. Becoming consistently predictable in all his moves. </p>
<p>At this rate, even mundane Marsaxlokk may be on hold.</p>
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		By: Claude		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674333</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think his successor will have a similar difficulty in signing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think his successor will have a similar difficulty in signing.</p>
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		By: Francis Saliba M.D.		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1674159</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Saliba M.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1673059&quot;&gt;Paddy&lt;/a&gt;.

Above all, the divorce referendum was hamstrung by the unusual high number of abstentions that rendered the result not truly representative of the will of the majority.  The &quot;yes&quot; vote was an unnatural admixture of those who were keen on divorce with those who were too bewildered, too confused to vote and those who did not care one way or the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1673059">Paddy</a>.</p>
<p>Above all, the divorce referendum was hamstrung by the unusual high number of abstentions that rendered the result not truly representative of the will of the majority.  The &#8220;yes&#8221; vote was an unnatural admixture of those who were keen on divorce with those who were too bewildered, too confused to vote and those who did not care one way or the other.</p>
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		By: mc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-03-27/news/two-hunters-get-their-jail-time-suspended-in-police-bribe-4402872323/

Two hunters who bribed a police officer for information were subject to a judicial process. 

The people who bribed Enemalta officials will not be investigated or charged because of a political decision, taken not in accordance to law. 

I went to the public talk by Lord Igor Judge, the former Lord Chief Justice of England.  He emphasised that equality before the law is a human right.  

On this basis, can one argue that the rights of these two men have been infringed because they were not treated in the same way as others who committed a similar crime?

I am genuinely confused.  Maybe a lawyer can enlighten me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-03-27/news/two-hunters-get-their-jail-time-suspended-in-police-bribe-4402872323/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-03-27/news/two-hunters-get-their-jail-time-suspended-in-police-bribe-4402872323/</a></p>
<p>Two hunters who bribed a police officer for information were subject to a judicial process. </p>
<p>The people who bribed Enemalta officials will not be investigated or charged because of a political decision, taken not in accordance to law. </p>
<p>I went to the public talk by Lord Igor Judge, the former Lord Chief Justice of England.  He emphasised that equality before the law is a human right.  </p>
<p>On this basis, can one argue that the rights of these two men have been infringed because they were not treated in the same way as others who committed a similar crime?</p>
<p>I am genuinely confused.  Maybe a lawyer can enlighten me.</p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1673066&quot;&gt;rob&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry to butt in here, but in Schalk and Kopf the ECtHR held that same-sex marriage is not YET a fundamental right; the suggestion in that judgment is that recognition of the right to marry for same-sex couples would represent a higher stage of development of the law. The Court says that the law is developing in that direction and that it will revisit its decisions following further developments in the Contracting States.

Also, the EU&#039;s Charter of Fundamental Rights removes the reference to men and women in the context of the right to marry. This suggests that the right to marry in the Charter should be extended to same-sex couples:

“The Court would also note that Article 9 of the recently adopted Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union departs, no doubt deliberately, from the wording of Article 12 of the Convention in removing the reference to men and women.” (ECtHR judgment in Goodwin)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/03/president-abela-takes-a-stand-against-muscats-civil-unions-bill/#comment-1673066">rob</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry to butt in here, but in Schalk and Kopf the ECtHR held that same-sex marriage is not YET a fundamental right; the suggestion in that judgment is that recognition of the right to marry for same-sex couples would represent a higher stage of development of the law. The Court says that the law is developing in that direction and that it will revisit its decisions following further developments in the Contracting States.</p>
<p>Also, the EU&#8217;s Charter of Fundamental Rights removes the reference to men and women in the context of the right to marry. This suggests that the right to marry in the Charter should be extended to same-sex couples:</p>
<p>“The Court would also note that Article 9 of the recently adopted Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union departs, no doubt deliberately, from the wording of Article 12 of the Convention in removing the reference to men and women.” (ECtHR judgment in Goodwin)</p>
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		By: ken il malti		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken il malti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why couldn&#039;t  Jo wait for President Abela to finish his term and let the Lady president  do the signing honours?

It is not that long of a wait, unless Jo  is using this to make the current president  look bad and archaic just in the nick of time.

Jo and George do not like each other and this is a roundabout way for Jo to abuse him a little before he steps down, as pricks do like to prick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why couldn&#8217;t  Jo wait for President Abela to finish his term and let the Lady president  do the signing honours?</p>
<p>It is not that long of a wait, unless Jo  is using this to make the current president  look bad and archaic just in the nick of time.</p>
<p>Jo and George do not like each other and this is a roundabout way for Jo to abuse him a little before he steps down, as pricks do like to prick.</p>
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