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		By: shocked		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130603/thezone-careers/a-man-walks-into-a-bar.472312

see video at 2:56mins he is clearly wearing a watch. 

In court today &#039;&#039;The defence recalls how the sergeant yesterday claimed that Tanti&#039;s watch had not been damaged in the fall, but points out that &quot;the accused never in his life carried a watch.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>see video at 2:56mins he is clearly wearing a watch. </p>
<p>In court today &#8221;The defence recalls how the sergeant yesterday claimed that Tanti&#8217;s watch had not been damaged in the fall, but points out that &#8220;the accused never in his life carried a watch.&#8221;</p>
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		By: ken il malti		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think in prison he is going to change his name again, from Cliff Dingli   to Kay  Y.  Jelly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in prison he is going to change his name again, from Cliff Dingli   to Kay  Y.  Jelly.</p>
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		By: Jack Spiteri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Spiteri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although  the facts do point towards his guilt I am not completely convinced as of yet. Also I don&#039;t know if I would take silence as a sign of guilt. On the off chance that he is innocent, I can imagine how shaken up one would be in his situation and how utterly disgusted he would be at the thought of being accused himself of killing someone he supposedly loved. I don&#039;t know if he&#039;s innocent or not, but I wouldn&#039;t take reluctance to cooperate with police as an admission. Maybe he just doesn&#039;t like them?

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - What a curious definition of love you have. And love between a 15-year-old and a 23-year-old? That&#039;s not love, but something else.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although  the facts do point towards his guilt I am not completely convinced as of yet. Also I don&#8217;t know if I would take silence as a sign of guilt. On the off chance that he is innocent, I can imagine how shaken up one would be in his situation and how utterly disgusted he would be at the thought of being accused himself of killing someone he supposedly loved. I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s innocent or not, but I wouldn&#8217;t take reluctance to cooperate with police as an admission. Maybe he just doesn&#8217;t like them?</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; What a curious definition of love you have. And love between a 15-year-old and a 23-year-old? That&#8217;s not love, but something else.]</strong></p>
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		By: La Redoute		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[La Redoute]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/guilty-as-sin/#comment-1729062&quot;&gt;malicia&lt;/a&gt;.

There is provision in the law for the points you raise.

The case here involves the death of a young girl whose teacher - as he admitted himself - did not guide her and direct her to a source of help. Instead, he crossed a professional boundary and made the relationship personal.

I appreciate your empathising with someone on the grounds that you have suffered yourself, but I don&#039;t for a moment believe that you mean to defend his actions. 

Think about how it must have felt for a teenager to have spent the last few seconds of her life knowing feeling that the only person she trusted in that moment had abandoned her. Think about what it means to help a child kill herself. This much Tanti has admitted already. 

He has said she wanted to kill herself and that he helped her do it. The amazing thing is he appears to believe that it somehow exculpates him, when that is one of several crimes of which he is accused.

Yes, a mentally ill or psychologically vulnerable person needs help, not condemnation. And towards help is whereTanti should have led Zahra, both as a responsible adult and as her teacher. The fact that he did the opposite is the reason he is where he is today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/guilty-as-sin/#comment-1729062">malicia</a>.</p>
<p>There is provision in the law for the points you raise.</p>
<p>The case here involves the death of a young girl whose teacher &#8211; as he admitted himself &#8211; did not guide her and direct her to a source of help. Instead, he crossed a professional boundary and made the relationship personal.</p>
<p>I appreciate your empathising with someone on the grounds that you have suffered yourself, but I don&#8217;t for a moment believe that you mean to defend his actions. </p>
<p>Think about how it must have felt for a teenager to have spent the last few seconds of her life knowing feeling that the only person she trusted in that moment had abandoned her. Think about what it means to help a child kill herself. This much Tanti has admitted already. </p>
<p>He has said she wanted to kill herself and that he helped her do it. The amazing thing is he appears to believe that it somehow exculpates him, when that is one of several crimes of which he is accused.</p>
<p>Yes, a mentally ill or psychologically vulnerable person needs help, not condemnation. And towards help is whereTanti should have led Zahra, both as a responsible adult and as her teacher. The fact that he did the opposite is the reason he is where he is today.</p>
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		By: M.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 09:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Man falls down the stairs and is in danger of dying; Erin Stewart Tanti Palmier jumps off a 40-metre cliff and survives with proportionately-minor injuries.  Yeah, right.

http://www.newsbook.com.mt/artikli/2014/4/11/fil-periklu-tal-mewt-wara-li-waqa&#039;-t-tarag.16831]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man falls down the stairs and is in danger of dying; Erin Stewart Tanti Palmier jumps off a 40-metre cliff and survives with proportionately-minor injuries.  Yeah, right.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsbook.com.mt/artikli/2014/4/11/fil-periklu-tal-mewt-wara-li-waqa&#039;-t-tarag.16831" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.newsbook.com.mt/artikli/2014/4/11/fil-periklu-tal-mewt-wara-li-waqa&#039;-t-tarag.16831</a></p>
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		By: malicia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 01:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People  even if innocent will not always speak. At times they will even act like they are guilty - by the book. It takes a seasoned expert  and a psychiatrist to tell and even they are sometimes wrong. 

I have years of both psychological and teaching preparations. I am also trauma survivor and extensive knowledge and first hand experiences how people with mental illnesses can act in distress.

Erin Tanti is most likely suffering from some sort of personality disorder  and that will be  rather major episode - the question here is if somebody is mentally ill and their empathy levels are affected in a way or another - is lack of feeling sorry any proof of being guilty?

I mean does the person kill or is it the illness responsible for what he has done - if that makes any sense, it&#039;s late at night and I may not sound grammatically correct.

Another thing - not from my side but from other people who like me suffer from certain conditions. Don&#039;t you think you are pushing the case a bit too much? We have already a lot of prejudice to deal with. I have spoken with several people and we all agree that Erin is undiagnosed. 

He should have received help many years ago. It may sound a bit arrogant - but we kind of recognize one of &quot;us&quot;. 

Erin may turn out to be a real monster - but nobody is born a monster. It&#039;s either illness or a mechanical brain injury that makes one a monster in terms of those who do not suffer from medical conditions. 

My condition is PTSD - there are days I don&#039;t feel anything and can&#039;t even show one emotion - empty shell. 

Had I been on trial I&#039;d be guilty hands down. On a normal day I am rather emotional person. On a bad day I remind you of a terminator. 

Compared to me Erin Tanti is very emotional. Also don&#039;t forget that he has seen a person die - he will be traumatized by this either way he wanted to kill her or not. Seeing death is automatic trauma - there is no way you can stop it. 

How long it will take to sink in and surface - nobody knows. It may take years. So his reaction now - numbing - may be both illness or automatic reaction to what have happened before his eyes.

I am in no way playing devil`s advocate but I had to raise the points. The illness and the person are sometimes two completely different &quot;beings&quot;. 

People often don&#039;t realize that. They will read that Erin is a monster and a killer and every person with any mental condition will be on target. 

God forbid somebody at work will find out about my PTSD - I&#039;d be bullied to oblivion. 

If I can appeal for something - for a less harsh language until the psychiatrists will be able to diagnose. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People  even if innocent will not always speak. At times they will even act like they are guilty &#8211; by the book. It takes a seasoned expert  and a psychiatrist to tell and even they are sometimes wrong. </p>
<p>I have years of both psychological and teaching preparations. I am also trauma survivor and extensive knowledge and first hand experiences how people with mental illnesses can act in distress.</p>
<p>Erin Tanti is most likely suffering from some sort of personality disorder  and that will be  rather major episode &#8211; the question here is if somebody is mentally ill and their empathy levels are affected in a way or another &#8211; is lack of feeling sorry any proof of being guilty?</p>
<p>I mean does the person kill or is it the illness responsible for what he has done &#8211; if that makes any sense, it&#8217;s late at night and I may not sound grammatically correct.</p>
<p>Another thing &#8211; not from my side but from other people who like me suffer from certain conditions. Don&#8217;t you think you are pushing the case a bit too much? We have already a lot of prejudice to deal with. I have spoken with several people and we all agree that Erin is undiagnosed. </p>
<p>He should have received help many years ago. It may sound a bit arrogant &#8211; but we kind of recognize one of &#8220;us&#8221;. </p>
<p>Erin may turn out to be a real monster &#8211; but nobody is born a monster. It&#8217;s either illness or a mechanical brain injury that makes one a monster in terms of those who do not suffer from medical conditions. </p>
<p>My condition is PTSD &#8211; there are days I don&#8217;t feel anything and can&#8217;t even show one emotion &#8211; empty shell. </p>
<p>Had I been on trial I&#8217;d be guilty hands down. On a normal day I am rather emotional person. On a bad day I remind you of a terminator. </p>
<p>Compared to me Erin Tanti is very emotional. Also don&#8217;t forget that he has seen a person die &#8211; he will be traumatized by this either way he wanted to kill her or not. Seeing death is automatic trauma &#8211; there is no way you can stop it. </p>
<p>How long it will take to sink in and surface &#8211; nobody knows. It may take years. So his reaction now &#8211; numbing &#8211; may be both illness or automatic reaction to what have happened before his eyes.</p>
<p>I am in no way playing devil`s advocate but I had to raise the points. The illness and the person are sometimes two completely different &#8220;beings&#8221;. </p>
<p>People often don&#8217;t realize that. They will read that Erin is a monster and a killer and every person with any mental condition will be on target. </p>
<p>God forbid somebody at work will find out about my PTSD &#8211; I&#8217;d be bullied to oblivion. </p>
<p>If I can appeal for something &#8211; for a less harsh language until the psychiatrists will be able to diagnose. </p>
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		By: nev		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/guilty-as-sin/#comment-1721092&quot;&gt;James&lt;/a&gt;.

Most probably he brought them up the bill.]]></description>
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<p>Most probably he brought them up the bill.</p>
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		By: M.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;1:03pm During a conversation with the same Sergeant in the ambulance, Tanti explained how they had made their way to Dingli cliffs with his car. Tanti told the PC that they both consumer 42 aspirin pills each.

Tanti told the Sergeant  that they swallowed the pills because they were fed-up with life. He told the PC that “Lisa was determined to jump, but I was not so sure.”

He then explained that once he saw Zahra jump, he closed his eyes and jumped as well.

Tanti said that on surviving the fall, he tried to get up but was in too much pain. 

The Sergeant noted that Tanti was very &quot;tranquil&quot; when recounting the story. &quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1:03pm During a conversation with the same Sergeant in the ambulance, Tanti explained how they had made their way to Dingli cliffs with his car. Tanti told the PC that they both consumer 42 aspirin pills each.</p>
<p>Tanti told the Sergeant  that they swallowed the pills because they were fed-up with life. He told the PC that “Lisa was determined to jump, but I was not so sure.”</p>
<p>He then explained that once he saw Zahra jump, he closed his eyes and jumped as well.</p>
<p>Tanti said that on surviving the fall, he tried to get up but was in too much pain. </p>
<p>The Sergeant noted that Tanti was very &#8220;tranquil&#8221; when recounting the story. &#8220;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;12:52pm The Police are now recounting the moment they came across Tanti at the foot of Dingli cliffs. Sergeant Konrad Debattista said that Tanti was a “considerable distance” away from the cliff’s edge from where he was viewing him.

The Sergeant said that Tanti did not appear to be in pain, but given the distance he could not see very well.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;12:52pm The Police are now recounting the moment they came across Tanti at the foot of Dingli cliffs. Sergeant Konrad Debattista said that Tanti was a “considerable distance” away from the cliff’s edge from where he was viewing him.</p>
<p>The Sergeant said that Tanti did not appear to be in pain, but given the distance he could not see very well.&#8221;</p>
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		By: M.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hoist by his own petard, again.  The inconsistencies in Erin Tanti&#039;s declarations are unbelievable. And now, it has been confirmed in court that he landed where he was found.

&quot;1.08 The sergeant clarifies that they jumped at 3am, not 4am.

1.07 He said that, on realizing he did not die, he tried to find another way to kill himself by jumping further down, but did not manage. When he saw people on the cliffs, he asked for help and said he needed an ambulance.

1.05 Erin Tanti told the police was about 4am when he jumped - he looked at the watch before jumping. Mr Tanti  knew the details and the times and was not crying, the sergeant said. He was calm.

1.04  Then, Erin told him, he saw Lisa jump. He then closed his eyes and jumped after her. When he realised he was still alive he tried to get up but was in pain and could not walk. He tried to look for Lisa but could not see her.&quot;  

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140410/local/erin-tanti-changed-his-name-to-cliff-dingli-during-drama-lesson.514395

Not only are we to believe he&#039;s a walking miracle, but he&#039;d probably next have his &#039;audience&#039; believe that he is the second coming of Christ. Ziblu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoist by his own petard, again.  The inconsistencies in Erin Tanti&#8217;s declarations are unbelievable. And now, it has been confirmed in court that he landed where he was found.</p>
<p>&#8220;1.08 The sergeant clarifies that they jumped at 3am, not 4am.</p>
<p>1.07 He said that, on realizing he did not die, he tried to find another way to kill himself by jumping further down, but did not manage. When he saw people on the cliffs, he asked for help and said he needed an ambulance.</p>
<p>1.05 Erin Tanti told the police was about 4am when he jumped &#8211; he looked at the watch before jumping. Mr Tanti  knew the details and the times and was not crying, the sergeant said. He was calm.</p>
<p>1.04  Then, Erin told him, he saw Lisa jump. He then closed his eyes and jumped after her. When he realised he was still alive he tried to get up but was in pain and could not walk. He tried to look for Lisa but could not see her.&#8221;  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140410/local/erin-tanti-changed-his-name-to-cliff-dingli-during-drama-lesson.514395" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20140410/local/erin-tanti-changed-his-name-to-cliff-dingli-during-drama-lesson.514395</a></p>
<p>Not only are we to believe he&#8217;s a walking miracle, but he&#8217;d probably next have his &#8216;audience&#8217; believe that he is the second coming of Christ. Ziblu.</p>
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