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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/labour-has-politically-deceived-the-electorate-in-a-big-way-on-this-this-unadulterated-fact-does-not-appear-to-have-sunk-in-yet/#comment-1836773</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2014 18:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/labour-has-politically-deceived-the-electorate-in-a-big-way-on-this-this-unadulterated-fact-does-not-appear-to-have-sunk-in-yet/#comment-1831878&quot;&gt;N. Mitford&lt;/a&gt;.

Come off it Daphne,  this is not a competition to see who has suffered most (which is highly debatable anyway), it&#039;s about a minority being granted a legal right which the rest of the population takes for granted. 

Besides,  if you think women had it so bad then how tough must it have been for Maltese lesbians in those times? 

There were lesbians celebrating too. Stop being churlish and accept that this was a great step forward for many people.  By mistakenly trying to make this out to be a Labour victory you are just reinforcing the idea that the PN essentially does not care much about LGBT issues,  which is how it&#039;s perceived right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/labour-has-politically-deceived-the-electorate-in-a-big-way-on-this-this-unadulterated-fact-does-not-appear-to-have-sunk-in-yet/#comment-1831878">N. Mitford</a>.</p>
<p>Come off it Daphne,  this is not a competition to see who has suffered most (which is highly debatable anyway), it&#8217;s about a minority being granted a legal right which the rest of the population takes for granted. </p>
<p>Besides,  if you think women had it so bad then how tough must it have been for Maltese lesbians in those times? </p>
<p>There were lesbians celebrating too. Stop being churlish and accept that this was a great step forward for many people.  By mistakenly trying to make this out to be a Labour victory you are just reinforcing the idea that the PN essentially does not care much about LGBT issues,  which is how it&#8217;s perceived right now.</p>
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		By: N. Mitford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Mitford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/labour-has-politically-deceived-the-electorate-in-a-big-way-on-this-this-unadulterated-fact-does-not-appear-to-have-sunk-in-yet/#comment-1831618&quot;&gt;N. Mitford&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, I am somewhat aware. I&#039;m following a course on gender studies at university and I am deeply invested in women&#039;s issues. Both women and LGBT people have suffered under the patriarchal system. Am I saying that being gay is easier than being woman? No – I am merely relating my experience as a gay person living in Malta now. 

And a joke about a cold is different to hearing &#039;ARA DAWN IT TNEJN IHOBBUH F&#039;S*ORMOM *hooligan laughter* when you are on a date – or – &#039;TAF FEJN IDAHLUH IL-GAYS? HEKK TRID INT?&#039; and this from a teacher. 

I&#039;m not saying that women do not experience these kinds of verbal attacks.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Yes, in fact we experienced far worse than that. And at least in your case it&#039;s just verbal and you weren&#039;t routinely followed and harassed by flashers and perverts making obscene suggestions. Or have men begin masturbating next to you on a public beach so that you had to pack up your things and leave. Are gay men grabbed between the legs as they walk along? Are they examined from top to bottom and have to walk the gauntlet of a narrative description of their body parts as they try to reach their car or the bus? I don&#039;t think so.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/labour-has-politically-deceived-the-electorate-in-a-big-way-on-this-this-unadulterated-fact-does-not-appear-to-have-sunk-in-yet/#comment-1831618">N. Mitford</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, I am somewhat aware. I&#8217;m following a course on gender studies at university and I am deeply invested in women&#8217;s issues. Both women and LGBT people have suffered under the patriarchal system. Am I saying that being gay is easier than being woman? No – I am merely relating my experience as a gay person living in Malta now. </p>
<p>And a joke about a cold is different to hearing &#8216;ARA DAWN IT TNEJN IHOBBUH F&#8217;S*ORMOM *hooligan laughter* when you are on a date – or – &#8216;TAF FEJN IDAHLUH IL-GAYS? HEKK TRID INT?&#8217; and this from a teacher. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that women do not experience these kinds of verbal attacks.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Yes, in fact we experienced far worse than that. And at least in your case it&#8217;s just verbal and you weren&#8217;t routinely followed and harassed by flashers and perverts making obscene suggestions. Or have men begin masturbating next to you on a public beach so that you had to pack up your things and leave. Are gay men grabbed between the legs as they walk along? Are they examined from top to bottom and have to walk the gauntlet of a narrative description of their body parts as they try to reach their car or the bus? I don&#8217;t think so.]</strong></p>
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		By: jien		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry but this has to be in Maltese: Meta l-marmalja vvutat lil Joseph Muscat, kienet qed tivvota lil dak li ried izommhom barra mill-Ewropa, u minflok, izommhom fuq din il-bicca blata jdawruh ghal xulxin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but this has to be in Maltese: Meta l-marmalja vvutat lil Joseph Muscat, kienet qed tivvota lil dak li ried izommhom barra mill-Ewropa, u minflok, izommhom fuq din il-bicca blata jdawruh ghal xulxin.</p>
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		By: N. Mitford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Mitford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With regard to this article I mostly agree with you, but I would like to point out certain things. In a previous post you mentioned that the only gay people who were celebrating in St. George&#039;s Square were laburisti who happened to be gay men – that is categorically untrue. I went and I never in my life gave labour any sort of vote whatsoever (and do not plan to anytime soon). Which leads to my second point. I went because I feel a connection with the gay Maltese gay community, which *does* exist. And it was my duty, as part of this often demonised community, to celebrate this milestone for LGBTs (not a &#039;Labour 1 – PN 0&#039; bacchanal).

Who else can understand what is it like to be gay in a deeply Catholic (and let&#039;s face it, sometimes backward) country? Who else has gone through the heartache of having homophobic parents/friends/colleagues? Who else can empathise with being laughed at for holding my partner&#039;s hand? The gay community, the community which can understand and accept.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Count your lucky stars you didn&#039;t grow up a girl/woman in Malta in the 1960s - 1990s (it was a hell of a lot worse before that) if you think your experience as a gay boy/man in the 1990s-present was so terrible. You really have no idea. I think we can extend the jokes about men with colds behaving as though they are dying of cancer whereas women with colds just take two Panadol and go to work to this field too.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to this article I mostly agree with you, but I would like to point out certain things. In a previous post you mentioned that the only gay people who were celebrating in St. George&#8217;s Square were laburisti who happened to be gay men – that is categorically untrue. I went and I never in my life gave labour any sort of vote whatsoever (and do not plan to anytime soon). Which leads to my second point. I went because I feel a connection with the gay Maltese gay community, which *does* exist. And it was my duty, as part of this often demonised community, to celebrate this milestone for LGBTs (not a &#8216;Labour 1 – PN 0&#8217; bacchanal).</p>
<p>Who else can understand what is it like to be gay in a deeply Catholic (and let&#8217;s face it, sometimes backward) country? Who else has gone through the heartache of having homophobic parents/friends/colleagues? Who else can empathise with being laughed at for holding my partner&#8217;s hand? The gay community, the community which can understand and accept.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Count your lucky stars you didn&#8217;t grow up a girl/woman in Malta in the 1960s &#8211; 1990s (it was a hell of a lot worse before that) if you think your experience as a gay boy/man in the 1990s-present was so terrible. You really have no idea. I think we can extend the jokes about men with colds behaving as though they are dying of cancer whereas women with colds just take two Panadol and go to work to this field too.]</strong></p>
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		By: Rosie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All goes to prove what I thought all along , even before the election , it&#039;s not what Muscat says but what he doesn&#039;t say 
told of Cheaper utilities but not How
refund Vat on motor cars but not how
introduction of civil union bill but not how 
Passport scam not even a hint
As the months pass the list will make worrying reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All goes to prove what I thought all along , even before the election , it&#8217;s not what Muscat says but what he doesn&#8217;t say<br />
told of Cheaper utilities but not How<br />
refund Vat on motor cars but not how<br />
introduction of civil union bill but not how<br />
Passport scam not even a hint<br />
As the months pass the list will make worrying reading.</p>
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		By: A+		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A+]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen</p>
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		By: admin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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