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		By: Dick Dastardly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Dastardly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 11:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910&quot;&gt;Silvio loporto&lt;/a&gt;.

Mamma mia. Not sure if Silvio Loporto is an Internet troll, or whether he is an Internet-enabled troglodyte.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910">Silvio loporto</a>.</p>
<p>Mamma mia. Not sure if Silvio Loporto is an Internet troll, or whether he is an Internet-enabled troglodyte.</p>
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		By: marielou		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marielou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910&quot;&gt;Silvio loporto&lt;/a&gt;.

excuse me ? ..gays are not normal people ? ..this is a joke! I hope you do not call yourself a Christian ..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910">Silvio loporto</a>.</p>
<p>excuse me ? ..gays are not normal people ? ..this is a joke! I hope you do not call yourself a Christian ..</p>
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		By: Rational Conservative		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rational Conservative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a civil rights, or rather human rights issue here, and it is not about gay adoption. No-one has a right to children, adopted or otherwise. But everyone has a right to due process. 

From what I understand, most commenters and the PN would deny prospective gay parents the right to appear before the adoption board and make their case. 

Not every immigrant we rescue on the high seas has a right to political asylum, but every one of them has a right to apply for it. There is an authority which considers each case on its on merits. When we protested pushback, we were protesting (among other things) the denial of the right to due process.

This is no different. Rationality demands consistency, unless we are simply making strategic political decisions at the expense of moral ones, on the probably correct assumption that more votes can be gained (or not lost) by taking this position.

(Note that I am not ascribing any morality to the Labour Party - there is none, for them, this is the payment on the balance of the vote buying invoice.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a civil rights, or rather human rights issue here, and it is not about gay adoption. No-one has a right to children, adopted or otherwise. But everyone has a right to due process. </p>
<p>From what I understand, most commenters and the PN would deny prospective gay parents the right to appear before the adoption board and make their case. </p>
<p>Not every immigrant we rescue on the high seas has a right to political asylum, but every one of them has a right to apply for it. There is an authority which considers each case on its on merits. When we protested pushback, we were protesting (among other things) the denial of the right to due process.</p>
<p>This is no different. Rationality demands consistency, unless we are simply making strategic political decisions at the expense of moral ones, on the probably correct assumption that more votes can be gained (or not lost) by taking this position.</p>
<p>(Note that I am not ascribing any morality to the Labour Party &#8211; there is none, for them, this is the payment on the balance of the vote buying invoice.)</p>
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		By: c.j black		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[c.j black]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910&quot;&gt;Silvio loporto&lt;/a&gt;.

First of all, who cares for how the child is going to be surnamed? In reality you are all homophobes.  You are all homophobes people who can&#039;t accept that gay people are normal as all of us and I am a proud gay and transsexual as that and yet am well open minded.  Joseph Muscat is giving us the great opportunity to be the same level as you in civil rights.  Wether this is adoption or the mother got herself pregnant thanks to insemination from a friend donor or an unknown or 2 men adopt a child the two can arrange to make one surname and raise the child under the same surname. I am sure the child won&#039;t give an importance about the surname or who is the.mummy or the daddy role. The child will adapt itself. And as for someone like a hypocrite of Simon busuttil comes to say cause they will be bullied. OK they will, but even if their parents are woman and a man they will be a target of some bully to be used as a stress and frustration relief punching bag.  

Children will come.to terms in that with adoption surname and stupid birth certificate problem. Cause when they will be treated with love and respect from the parents, the gender and sexual orientation it&#039;s not important neither where they really belong too. 
Daphne you are a woman full of hate towards the other people who are trying to have and you are trying to bring any kind of excuse to ruin them and bring to shame in public whether on Internet or somewhere else. You hit a point specially on this cause you know how ignorant like Silvio loporto and his mental diseased hated homophobes attitude towards us and others who are against gays and the marriages and adoption to support you.  Really??? We are in the 2014 so wake up call is what you need. And get a life.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - &#039;Joseph Muscat is giving us the great opportunity to be the same level as you in civil rights&#039;. That&#039;s what it&#039;s all about, isn&#039;t it - not the desire to marry but the desire to have what somebody else has, as always. I hate to break this to you, but if Joseph Muscat really meant that, he wouldn&#039;t have created a separate law for civil unions for homosexuals. He would have simply amended the existing Marriage Act with one simple line: marriage can take place between two people of whichever gender. You&#039;re still not equal, because you have your own law: yet another ghetto for gays, and you&#039;re out celebrating your new ghetto. Lovely.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910">Silvio loporto</a>.</p>
<p>First of all, who cares for how the child is going to be surnamed? In reality you are all homophobes.  You are all homophobes people who can&#8217;t accept that gay people are normal as all of us and I am a proud gay and transsexual as that and yet am well open minded.  Joseph Muscat is giving us the great opportunity to be the same level as you in civil rights.  Wether this is adoption or the mother got herself pregnant thanks to insemination from a friend donor or an unknown or 2 men adopt a child the two can arrange to make one surname and raise the child under the same surname. I am sure the child won&#8217;t give an importance about the surname or who is the.mummy or the daddy role. The child will adapt itself. And as for someone like a hypocrite of Simon busuttil comes to say cause they will be bullied. OK they will, but even if their parents are woman and a man they will be a target of some bully to be used as a stress and frustration relief punching bag.  </p>
<p>Children will come.to terms in that with adoption surname and stupid birth certificate problem. Cause when they will be treated with love and respect from the parents, the gender and sexual orientation it&#8217;s not important neither where they really belong too.<br />
Daphne you are a woman full of hate towards the other people who are trying to have and you are trying to bring any kind of excuse to ruin them and bring to shame in public whether on Internet or somewhere else. You hit a point specially on this cause you know how ignorant like Silvio loporto and his mental diseased hated homophobes attitude towards us and others who are against gays and the marriages and adoption to support you.  Really??? We are in the 2014 so wake up call is what you need. And get a life.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; &#8216;Joseph Muscat is giving us the great opportunity to be the same level as you in civil rights&#8217;. That&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all about, isn&#8217;t it &#8211; not the desire to marry but the desire to have what somebody else has, as always. I hate to break this to you, but if Joseph Muscat really meant that, he wouldn&#8217;t have created a separate law for civil unions for homosexuals. He would have simply amended the existing Marriage Act with one simple line: marriage can take place between two people of whichever gender. You&#8217;re still not equal, because you have your own law: yet another ghetto for gays, and you&#8217;re out celebrating your new ghetto. Lovely.]</strong></p>
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		By: Jozef		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jozef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910&quot;&gt;Silvio loporto&lt;/a&gt;.

Shut up, Loporto.

Normal distribution isn&#039;t a rectangular graph.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910">Silvio loporto</a>.</p>
<p>Shut up, Loporto.</p>
<p>Normal distribution isn&#8217;t a rectangular graph.</p>
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		By: Ian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910&quot;&gt;Silvio loporto&lt;/a&gt;.

He&#039;s kidding, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1752910">Silvio loporto</a>.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s kidding, right?</p>
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		By: carlos nonavia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carlos nonavia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1753937&quot;&gt;Mark Fenech&lt;/a&gt;.

You have certainly hit the nail on the head.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1753937">Mark Fenech</a>.</p>
<p>You have certainly hit the nail on the head.</p>
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		By: Freedom5		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freedom5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daphne, I&#039;m actually very disappointed by your mild reaction to Silvio Loporto&#039;s vile comment. What would you have said if he passed that comment about black people!
Incredibly you censored part of my comment, and uploaded his.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Silvio Loporto does it largely to provoke and to upset people, and beyond that, he is in his mid-70s and belongs to a generation of men who think exactly like that (because that was the predominant way of thinking in their day) and while most know better than to speak as he does, he just lets rip. He has said things that are equally typical of his gender and generation about women, black people, Muslims, and so on. I mostly let it go - in this job you have to pick your battles. Yes, I do tend to moderate (not censor) insults from one reader to another. You have no idea what sort of things of Silvio Loporto&#039;s I have deleted, and I have deleted plenty of his.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daphne, I&#8217;m actually very disappointed by your mild reaction to Silvio Loporto&#8217;s vile comment. What would you have said if he passed that comment about black people!<br />
Incredibly you censored part of my comment, and uploaded his.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Silvio Loporto does it largely to provoke and to upset people, and beyond that, he is in his mid-70s and belongs to a generation of men who think exactly like that (because that was the predominant way of thinking in their day) and while most know better than to speak as he does, he just lets rip. He has said things that are equally typical of his gender and generation about women, black people, Muslims, and so on. I mostly let it go &#8211; in this job you have to pick your battles. Yes, I do tend to moderate (not censor) insults from one reader to another. You have no idea what sort of things of Silvio Loporto&#8217;s I have deleted, and I have deleted plenty of his.]</strong></p>
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		By: Freedom5		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Freedom5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Silvio Loporto  - You are truly a waste of space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silvio Loporto  &#8211; You are truly a waste of space.</p>
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		By: Katarin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katarin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1753764&quot;&gt;thealley&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with Baxxter.  Abstaining wasn&#039;t smart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/04/the-birth-certificates-of-children-adopted-by-two-men-or-two-women-what-are-they-going-to-be-like/#comment-1753764">thealley</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with Baxxter.  Abstaining wasn&#8217;t smart.</p>
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