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		By: Conservative		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conservative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234383&quot;&gt;Conservative&lt;/a&gt;.

Ken il-Malti:

You have no idea of what you are talking about.  At least half a dozen European dynasties claim the title &quot;King of Jerusalem&quot;.  

Spain&#039;s kings never held the title &quot;King of Kings&quot;.  Indeed, that would be utter and complete blasphemy for Spain&#039;s Most Catholic Majesties.  

The title &quot;King of Kings&quot; and &quot;Lord of Lords&quot; is only given to Jesus Christ, and is used in Handel&#039;s &#039;Messiah&#039;, for instance, based on the Psalms and Scripture.

The King of Spain is also styled as, among other things, King of Gibraltar, King of Naples and King of Sicily, simply on the basis of past historic possession.  

The Pontifex Maximus, or Supreme Pontiff, with the only power in Christendom to make or unmake kings was the Pope.  

Spain is a parliamentary monarchy, which means that it is parliament that the Monarch is subject to, which is why Spanish kings are not crowned but proclaimed by parliament (Congreso de Diputados).  HM King Juan Carlos&#039;s close ties with Morocco as simply because Spain has two enclaves in North Africa, surrounded by Moroccan territory: Ceuta and Melilla.  This has often strained relations between the two countries and the former King has invested a lot of effort in securing the possession of these territories through the betterment of amicable relations and mutual cooperation, rather than at the end of a gun.

The Holy Roman Empire does not belong to Spain.  It came to an end during the Napoleonic wars and was never revived.  The crown of Spain (Charles V for instance) at times held the Empire, but the Emperor was elected by the Elector kingdoms and principalities (all Germanic).  At times, because of birth, a king of one kingdom could also be the Emperor.

The King of Spain is not the Holy Roman Emperor.  The Empire&#039;s heraldry was later mostly used by the Habsburgs as Emperors of Austria and Hungary.  

The website content you posted is utter and complete rubbish.  Your statement was, and remains, slanderous and your information is completely wrong.

The idiotic conspiracy theory that the Jesuit Order runs the world is as old as the counter-reformation, and grows more and more idiotic.  If they really did run the world, they wouldn&#039;t have had just one Jesuit Pope running the Church in 500 years, would they?

I wish you would repeat your statements in a Spanish jurisdiction publication or website where one could sue you.  It is against the Spanish constitution to vilify or slander the person of the Monarch as the embodiment of the State.  

The naïve suggestion that the King of Spain would know that the US President had just ordered the bombing of Baghdad, or Afghanistan or anywhere in North Africa or the Middle East is simply idiotic.  The only ones to know would be the Chiefs of the Defence Staff, the Defence Secretary and so on.  You, Sir, are an idiot for propagating such utter nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234383">Conservative</a>.</p>
<p>Ken il-Malti:</p>
<p>You have no idea of what you are talking about.  At least half a dozen European dynasties claim the title &#8220;King of Jerusalem&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Spain&#8217;s kings never held the title &#8220;King of Kings&#8221;.  Indeed, that would be utter and complete blasphemy for Spain&#8217;s Most Catholic Majesties.  </p>
<p>The title &#8220;King of Kings&#8221; and &#8220;Lord of Lords&#8221; is only given to Jesus Christ, and is used in Handel&#8217;s &#8216;Messiah&#8217;, for instance, based on the Psalms and Scripture.</p>
<p>The King of Spain is also styled as, among other things, King of Gibraltar, King of Naples and King of Sicily, simply on the basis of past historic possession.  </p>
<p>The Pontifex Maximus, or Supreme Pontiff, with the only power in Christendom to make or unmake kings was the Pope.  </p>
<p>Spain is a parliamentary monarchy, which means that it is parliament that the Monarch is subject to, which is why Spanish kings are not crowned but proclaimed by parliament (Congreso de Diputados).  HM King Juan Carlos&#8217;s close ties with Morocco as simply because Spain has two enclaves in North Africa, surrounded by Moroccan territory: Ceuta and Melilla.  This has often strained relations between the two countries and the former King has invested a lot of effort in securing the possession of these territories through the betterment of amicable relations and mutual cooperation, rather than at the end of a gun.</p>
<p>The Holy Roman Empire does not belong to Spain.  It came to an end during the Napoleonic wars and was never revived.  The crown of Spain (Charles V for instance) at times held the Empire, but the Emperor was elected by the Elector kingdoms and principalities (all Germanic).  At times, because of birth, a king of one kingdom could also be the Emperor.</p>
<p>The King of Spain is not the Holy Roman Emperor.  The Empire&#8217;s heraldry was later mostly used by the Habsburgs as Emperors of Austria and Hungary.  </p>
<p>The website content you posted is utter and complete rubbish.  Your statement was, and remains, slanderous and your information is completely wrong.</p>
<p>The idiotic conspiracy theory that the Jesuit Order runs the world is as old as the counter-reformation, and grows more and more idiotic.  If they really did run the world, they wouldn&#8217;t have had just one Jesuit Pope running the Church in 500 years, would they?</p>
<p>I wish you would repeat your statements in a Spanish jurisdiction publication or website where one could sue you.  It is against the Spanish constitution to vilify or slander the person of the Monarch as the embodiment of the State.  </p>
<p>The naïve suggestion that the King of Spain would know that the US President had just ordered the bombing of Baghdad, or Afghanistan or anywhere in North Africa or the Middle East is simply idiotic.  The only ones to know would be the Chiefs of the Defence Staff, the Defence Secretary and so on.  You, Sir, are an idiot for propagating such utter nonsense.</p>
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		By: H.P. Baxxter		</title>
		<link>https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2237724</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.P. Baxxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234383&quot;&gt;Conservative&lt;/a&gt;.

Now we know exactly where Ken il-Malti belongs. He&#039;s just donned a big sandwich board saying I&#039;M WITH KEVIN.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234383">Conservative</a>.</p>
<p>Now we know exactly where Ken il-Malti belongs. He&#8217;s just donned a big sandwich board saying I&#8217;M WITH KEVIN.</p>
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		By: Patrowl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrowl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234373&quot;&gt;Another John&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly. The US doesn&#039;t care about human rights, they just used it to attack Libya for its oil rights, to retaliate against Gaddafi&#039;s plan to deal oil in a &quot;golden dinar&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234373">Another John</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly. The US doesn&#8217;t care about human rights, they just used it to attack Libya for its oil rights, to retaliate against Gaddafi&#8217;s plan to deal oil in a &#8220;golden dinar&#8221;</p>
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		By: Patrowl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrowl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230&quot;&gt;ken il malti&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you, but King Juan Carlos had nothing to do with it.

On another note, I was doing some research and came across interesting information (which could be argued to not be true) that Libya had one of the highest HDI in Africa before interference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230">ken il malti</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you, but King Juan Carlos had nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>On another note, I was doing some research and came across interesting information (which could be argued to not be true) that Libya had one of the highest HDI in Africa before interference.</p>
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		By: Chris M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230&quot;&gt;ken il malti&lt;/a&gt;.

Arab countries need dictatorship. Democracy simply does not work in the Middle East &#038; North Africa.

Iraq and Libya are both perfect examples of this. Whilst both where not exactly the most ideal countries to live in under Saddam Hussien or Gaddaffi at least there was no daily car bombs, suicide bombs and the threat of Islamist terrorists.

That is why Syria must not fall into the hands of the Islamist terrorists. Assad may be a dictator but the country is better off under his dictatorship than it would be as an Islamic state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230">ken il malti</a>.</p>
<p>Arab countries need dictatorship. Democracy simply does not work in the Middle East &amp; North Africa.</p>
<p>Iraq and Libya are both perfect examples of this. Whilst both where not exactly the most ideal countries to live in under Saddam Hussien or Gaddaffi at least there was no daily car bombs, suicide bombs and the threat of Islamist terrorists.</p>
<p>That is why Syria must not fall into the hands of the Islamist terrorists. Assad may be a dictator but the country is better off under his dictatorship than it would be as an Islamic state.</p>
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		By: Calculator		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calculator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 07:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230&quot;&gt;ken il malti&lt;/a&gt;.

So you would have preferred that Gaddafi massacre the rebels and their families, as he so famously promised to do so in public time and time again?

The international community may intervene (don&#039;t forget that both Russia and China allowed the intervention at the UNSC, even they didn&#039;t necessarily agree with the ultimate result) and assist in the post-conflict scenario, but it is ultimately up to the locals to re-build.

There has been quite an amount of material on the subject, so I won&#039;t try to go into the detail required to adequately explain the issue. Basically, Libya did not have any structure to begin with under Gaddafi, no institutions. 

He advocated tribalism for his own benefit, to have an interlocutors the regional level. When he was removed from the equation, there was no system in place to re-build the country and at the local level people had been spoon-fed the idea that their tribe was their first point of reference.

It was obvious there would be some chaos until things clicked into place. The extent has been greater than expected, but you have to remember that these people are building things from scratch in a post-revolution scenario; these developments are expected. 

What about the most famous revolution of all in France in 1789? Didn&#039;t that end up as The Terror and give rise to Napoleon&#039;s Empire before bringing democracy?

And what does King Juan Carlos have got to do with this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230">ken il malti</a>.</p>
<p>So you would have preferred that Gaddafi massacre the rebels and their families, as he so famously promised to do so in public time and time again?</p>
<p>The international community may intervene (don&#8217;t forget that both Russia and China allowed the intervention at the UNSC, even they didn&#8217;t necessarily agree with the ultimate result) and assist in the post-conflict scenario, but it is ultimately up to the locals to re-build.</p>
<p>There has been quite an amount of material on the subject, so I won&#8217;t try to go into the detail required to adequately explain the issue. Basically, Libya did not have any structure to begin with under Gaddafi, no institutions. </p>
<p>He advocated tribalism for his own benefit, to have an interlocutors the regional level. When he was removed from the equation, there was no system in place to re-build the country and at the local level people had been spoon-fed the idea that their tribe was their first point of reference.</p>
<p>It was obvious there would be some chaos until things clicked into place. The extent has been greater than expected, but you have to remember that these people are building things from scratch in a post-revolution scenario; these developments are expected. </p>
<p>What about the most famous revolution of all in France in 1789? Didn&#8217;t that end up as The Terror and give rise to Napoleon&#8217;s Empire before bringing democracy?</p>
<p>And what does King Juan Carlos have got to do with this?</p>
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		By: curious		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[curious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 07:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Our Minister for Home Affairs needs a rest. He signs an MoU with a failed state and calls ex-police commissioner Pietru Pawl Busuttil. Conscience does play tricks on us.

&quot;Curiously, on a number of occasions, Dr Mallia erroneously referred to the former commissioner as “Pietru-Pawl Busuttil,” the name of the former Safi mayor who had been the victim of a police frame-up under a Labour Party government when he was accused of the 1986 murder of PN activist Raymond Caruana.&quot;

http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-07-09/news/minister-provides-no-explanation-for-police-commissioners-resignation-5778472960/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Minister for Home Affairs needs a rest. He signs an MoU with a failed state and calls ex-police commissioner Pietru Pawl Busuttil. Conscience does play tricks on us.</p>
<p>&#8220;Curiously, on a number of occasions, Dr Mallia erroneously referred to the former commissioner as “Pietru-Pawl Busuttil,” the name of the former Safi mayor who had been the victim of a police frame-up under a Labour Party government when he was accused of the 1986 murder of PN activist Raymond Caruana.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-07-09/news/minister-provides-no-explanation-for-police-commissioners-resignation-5778472960/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2014-07-09/news/minister-provides-no-explanation-for-police-commissioners-resignation-5778472960/</a></p>
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		By: ken il malti		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken il malti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234373&quot;&gt;Another John&lt;/a&gt;.

That is right on, Gaddafi wanted a dinar backed by real gold.

Also the Libyan national bank was not covertly owned by the Federal Reserve Bank, like most if not all national banks in each nation in the world.

Here is a news excerpt from many years ago:

Gaddafi&#039;s man made river project was due to be on line in 2011.
 This had to be stopped as it had the potential to make the deserts of North Africa bloom and make North Africa and possibly Africa as a whole, food sufficient. 

This was not good news for multinational corporations (and China Inc.)  who want a weak Africa dependent on the west for food.


&quot;Muammar Gaddafi initiated the Great Man-Made River Authority,

A 25-billion-dollar project
to raise the water and pipe it across the desert.
Expertise and equipment was imported
from Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan and South Korea.
The first water began to flow in September 1989
and the project is nearing completion this year, 2011.
It is already the world’s largest irrigation project and
the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts.
It supplies 6,500,000 cubic metres of fresh water daily.
From being one of the driest countries on earth,
the Libyan desert is now blooming.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234373">Another John</a>.</p>
<p>That is right on, Gaddafi wanted a dinar backed by real gold.</p>
<p>Also the Libyan national bank was not covertly owned by the Federal Reserve Bank, like most if not all national banks in each nation in the world.</p>
<p>Here is a news excerpt from many years ago:</p>
<p>Gaddafi&#8217;s man made river project was due to be on line in 2011.<br />
 This had to be stopped as it had the potential to make the deserts of North Africa bloom and make North Africa and possibly Africa as a whole, food sufficient. </p>
<p>This was not good news for multinational corporations (and China Inc.)  who want a weak Africa dependent on the west for food.</p>
<p>&#8220;Muammar Gaddafi initiated the Great Man-Made River Authority,</p>
<p>A 25-billion-dollar project<br />
to raise the water and pipe it across the desert.<br />
Expertise and equipment was imported<br />
from Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan and South Korea.<br />
The first water began to flow in September 1989<br />
and the project is nearing completion this year, 2011.<br />
It is already the world’s largest irrigation project and<br />
the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts.<br />
It supplies 6,500,000 cubic metres of fresh water daily.<br />
From being one of the driest countries on earth,<br />
the Libyan desert is now blooming.&#8221;</p>
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		By: P Shaw		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230&quot;&gt;ken il malti&lt;/a&gt;.

Problems in countries like Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia etc have nothing to do with NATO, EU, etc. The ethnic/tribal issues always existed - they were only suppressed by a strong regime or dictator.

Libya and Iraq might soon be split, either into autonomous regions or entirely different countries. The problems with the artificial borders of these countries and the forced grouping of different ethnic groups date back to years/decades before World War II.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234230">ken il malti</a>.</p>
<p>Problems in countries like Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia etc have nothing to do with NATO, EU, etc. The ethnic/tribal issues always existed &#8211; they were only suppressed by a strong regime or dictator.</p>
<p>Libya and Iraq might soon be split, either into autonomous regions or entirely different countries. The problems with the artificial borders of these countries and the forced grouping of different ethnic groups date back to years/decades before World War II.</p>
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		By: ken il malti		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken il malti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 00:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234383&quot;&gt;Conservative&lt;/a&gt;.

I am far from a slanderer, I am just more informed than you are.

Any military attack on a Middle East or North African nation has to have the tactical approval of (the former) King Juan Carlos.

King Juan Carlos owned the title of King Of Jerusalem and King of Kings as well as Holy Roman Emperor.  

http://optima-mentis.com/king-juan-carlos-knight-malta/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2014/07/cecilia-malmstrom-libya-is-a-failed-state/#comment-2234383">Conservative</a>.</p>
<p>I am far from a slanderer, I am just more informed than you are.</p>
<p>Any military attack on a Middle East or North African nation has to have the tactical approval of (the former) King Juan Carlos.</p>
<p>King Juan Carlos owned the title of King Of Jerusalem and King of Kings as well as Holy Roman Emperor.  </p>
<p><a href="http://optima-mentis.com/king-juan-carlos-knight-malta/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://optima-mentis.com/king-juan-carlos-knight-malta/</a></p>
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