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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daphne Caruana Galizia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2015/03/the-most-gruesome-murders-of-women-in-malta-were-committed-by-maltese-men/#comment-3035189&quot;&gt;sopradodes&lt;/a&gt;.

That is not quite what I meant.

Unfortunately, the only experience of Libyans which the vast majority of Maltese people have is of Libyan hamalli.

Imagine if the only Maltese people you knew were the kind screaming at Silvio Parnis&#039;s coffee mornings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2015/03/the-most-gruesome-murders-of-women-in-malta-were-committed-by-maltese-men/#comment-3035189">sopradodes</a>.</p>
<p>That is not quite what I meant.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the only experience of Libyans which the vast majority of Maltese people have is of Libyan hamalli.</p>
<p>Imagine if the only Maltese people you knew were the kind screaming at Silvio Parnis&#8217;s coffee mornings.</p>
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		By: sopradodes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2015/03/the-most-gruesome-murders-of-women-in-malta-were-committed-by-maltese-men/#comment-3035051&quot;&gt;Daphne Caruana Galizia&lt;/a&gt;.

You are honestly saying that only  hamalli and ignorant men beat women? 

It is a fact that violence against women comes from every social strata.

Also many men do not look at all like wife beaters - actually some of them are meek outside. 

So you do not really know what your not hamalli Libyans do.

I know hamalli and ignorant people who have the greatest respect for their women.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2015/03/the-most-gruesome-murders-of-women-in-malta-were-committed-by-maltese-men/#comment-3035051">Daphne Caruana Galizia</a>.</p>
<p>You are honestly saying that only  hamalli and ignorant men beat women? </p>
<p>It is a fact that violence against women comes from every social strata.</p>
<p>Also many men do not look at all like wife beaters &#8211; actually some of them are meek outside. </p>
<p>So you do not really know what your not hamalli Libyans do.</p>
<p>I know hamalli and ignorant people who have the greatest respect for their women.</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I say &#039;Malta&#039; I mean the country, not the main island.

I&#039;m not one of those people who says &#039;Malta and Gozo&#039;. Gozo is part of Malta.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say &#8216;Malta&#8217; I mean the country, not the main island.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not one of those people who says &#8216;Malta and Gozo&#8217;. Gozo is part of Malta.</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daphne Caruana Galizia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Plenty of rich people married poor people, Mr Sammut. The required common factor in marriage was not wealth or poverty or material goods of any sort, but social background.

As long as one of the two had sufficient money to run a household for both, what mattered was that they shared a similar social background. 

Plenty of &#039;tal-pepe&#039; people had no money at all, or just a civil service or army salary, for example. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of rich people married poor people, Mr Sammut. The required common factor in marriage was not wealth or poverty or material goods of any sort, but social background.</p>
<p>As long as one of the two had sufficient money to run a household for both, what mattered was that they shared a similar social background. </p>
<p>Plenty of &#8216;tal-pepe&#8217; people had no money at all, or just a civil service or army salary, for example. </p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daphne Caruana Galizia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes. It&#039;s just like using simple maths to prove that the Maltese are more inclined than most to traffic women because the whiteslavers in London were mainly from this island. Give it a rest, do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. It&#8217;s just like using simple maths to prove that the Maltese are more inclined than most to traffic women because the whiteslavers in London were mainly from this island. Give it a rest, do.</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, it was not. The dowry existed for one reason only: to make a woman marriageable.

Women with no dowry were not marriageable. 

In centuries past, people did not marry for love and love and marriage were completely unrelated to each other.

Marriages were contracted for pragmatic reasons, and men did not marry women with no dowry when they could marry a woman with a dowry.

It&#039;s as simple as that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it was not. The dowry existed for one reason only: to make a woman marriageable.</p>
<p>Women with no dowry were not marriageable. </p>
<p>In centuries past, people did not marry for love and love and marriage were completely unrelated to each other.</p>
<p>Marriages were contracted for pragmatic reasons, and men did not marry women with no dowry when they could marry a woman with a dowry.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh for God&#039;s sake. If his OWN WIFE was incapable of working out that he could kill her - after all, she was the one who let him into the flat, because otherwise how did he get in? - then how do you expect the police to work that out on the basis of an interview?

And no, the police should NOT take every report extremely seriously. They should work out, using their experience and the balance of probabilities, which ones are malicious, which ones are a fuss about nothing, and which ones are truly warranted.

The definition of &#039;domestic violence&#039; is now so wide and so ridiculous that I truly doubt there are very many marriages which would escape.

Given some of the horrific situations described to me in the women&#039;s shelters, I can&#039;t help but find it offensive that a POLICEWOMAN reports her ex husband/boyfriend to the police for banging on her front door and swearing. 

If she couldn&#039;t open the door and deal with that herself, then she has no business being a policewoman for starters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for God&#8217;s sake. If his OWN WIFE was incapable of working out that he could kill her &#8211; after all, she was the one who let him into the flat, because otherwise how did he get in? &#8211; then how do you expect the police to work that out on the basis of an interview?</p>
<p>And no, the police should NOT take every report extremely seriously. They should work out, using their experience and the balance of probabilities, which ones are malicious, which ones are a fuss about nothing, and which ones are truly warranted.</p>
<p>The definition of &#8216;domestic violence&#8217; is now so wide and so ridiculous that I truly doubt there are very many marriages which would escape.</p>
<p>Given some of the horrific situations described to me in the women&#8217;s shelters, I can&#8217;t help but find it offensive that a POLICEWOMAN reports her ex husband/boyfriend to the police for banging on her front door and swearing. </p>
<p>If she couldn&#8217;t open the door and deal with that herself, then she has no business being a policewoman for starters.</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh for God&#039;s sake]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for God&#8217;s sake</p>
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		By: Daphne Caruana Galizia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Libyans are more likely to kill&#039; - what rubbish.

If the law against murder were removed in Malta, you wouldn&#039;t be able to move in the streets for corpses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Libyans are more likely to kill&#8217; &#8211; what rubbish.</p>
<p>If the law against murder were removed in Malta, you wouldn&#8217;t be able to move in the streets for corpses.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The dowry system was not a gift to the bride from her parents because they loved her, Mr Sammut.

It was a settlement on the daughter to make her marriageable - in other words, literally a way of making men more likely to take her off their hands.

And after marriage, it was the husband who controlled and administered the dowry, not the wife.

Please don&#039;t try to teach me about women in society because this is one of my subjects. 

Please accept that even in Malta until 1993, women lost almost all their autonomy on marriage. Up to 1987, they even lost their jobs in the civil service/teaching.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dowry system was not a gift to the bride from her parents because they loved her, Mr Sammut.</p>
<p>It was a settlement on the daughter to make her marriageable &#8211; in other words, literally a way of making men more likely to take her off their hands.</p>
<p>And after marriage, it was the husband who controlled and administered the dowry, not the wife.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t try to teach me about women in society because this is one of my subjects. </p>
<p>Please accept that even in Malta until 1993, women lost almost all their autonomy on marriage. Up to 1987, they even lost their jobs in the civil service/teaching.</p>
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