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	<description>Daphne Caruana Galizia is a journalist working in Malta.</description>
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		By: Denis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136275&quot;&gt;Chris Mifsud&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh no Chris, I do not know in which corner of the island I would place you in, even my young children understand such simple issues. 
Should you ever enter lets say the  UK without a passport there is no way you will be sent back on the first plane until your application and reason to enter the UK is heard.  This is just to save Daphne from flipping her lid. 
Please let her dedicate her valuable time to better things,  I was waiting for her last 2 sentences a much earlier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136275">Chris Mifsud</a>.</p>
<p>Oh no Chris, I do not know in which corner of the island I would place you in, even my young children understand such simple issues.<br />
Should you ever enter lets say the  UK without a passport there is no way you will be sent back on the first plane until your application and reason to enter the UK is heard.  This is just to save Daphne from flipping her lid.<br />
Please let her dedicate her valuable time to better things,  I was waiting for her last 2 sentences a much earlier.</p>
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		By: blue		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I constantly find that people in Malta have no idea how to distinguish the different roles different institutions hold. Furthermore they have no idea how to differentiate issues, making an entire mess of how they tackle arguments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I constantly find that people in Malta have no idea how to distinguish the different roles different institutions hold. Furthermore they have no idea how to differentiate issues, making an entire mess of how they tackle arguments.</p>
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		By: Osservatore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Osservatore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136076&quot;&gt;Osservatore&lt;/a&gt;.

Your detailed thread about this came after my comment and I was under the impression that to organise meetings and the like requires some form of permit due to the disruption they may cause to traffic etc. 

In any case, its a god thing to know particularly since we will surely see our fair share of protests, and eventually riots if Labour keep up their excellent work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136076">Osservatore</a>.</p>
<p>Your detailed thread about this came after my comment and I was under the impression that to organise meetings and the like requires some form of permit due to the disruption they may cause to traffic etc. </p>
<p>In any case, its a god thing to know particularly since we will surely see our fair share of protests, and eventually riots if Labour keep up their excellent work.</p>
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		By: ken il malti		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken il malti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136214&quot;&gt;Socrates&lt;/a&gt;.

Nearly half the surnames in Malta and Gozo are of a Jewish origin, even the well known Italianate ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136214">Socrates</a>.</p>
<p>Nearly half the surnames in Malta and Gozo are of a Jewish origin, even the well known Italianate ones.</p>
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		By: AE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 21:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The one thing they got right &quot;we ......are inarticulate&quot;]]></description>
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		By: Stephen Farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136205&quot;&gt;Stephen Farrugia&lt;/a&gt;.

What&#039;s wrong with my answer? it&#039;s going to be uploaded on the whole Internet anyway, so you might as well do it yourself on your blog. God bless democracy and Facebook.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - What answer, Farrugia? I&#039;ve uploaded everything you&#039;ve written. If you have a line there saying &#039;Your comment is awaiting moderation&#039;, that&#039;s exactly what it means. I have 350 comments pending, so take a nap meanwhile. &quot;uploaded on the whole Internet&quot; - so very sad.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136205">Stephen Farrugia</a>.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with my answer? it&#8217;s going to be uploaded on the whole Internet anyway, so you might as well do it yourself on your blog. God bless democracy and Facebook.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; What answer, Farrugia? I&#8217;ve uploaded everything you&#8217;ve written. If you have a line there saying &#8216;Your comment is awaiting moderation&#8217;, that&#8217;s exactly what it means. I have 350 comments pending, so take a nap meanwhile. &#8220;uploaded on the whole Internet&#8221; &#8211; so very sad.]</strong></p>
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		By: Stephen Farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136275&quot;&gt;Chris Mifsud&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes but when we send them to Europe, they push them back to us....lol.....they don&#039;t accept pushforward ?

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Here&#039;s another idiot who doesn&#039;t understand that Malta IS Europe.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136275">Chris Mifsud</a>.</p>
<p>Yes but when we send them to Europe, they push them back to us&#8230;.lol&#8230;..they don&#8217;t accept pushforward ?</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Here&#8217;s another idiot who doesn&#8217;t understand that Malta IS Europe.]</strong></p>
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		By: Stephen Farrugia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Farrugia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136214&quot;&gt;Socrates&lt;/a&gt;.

Sarkozy and Milibank are both Jews, well they all turn out to be from ONE culture. So much for diversity...lol

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Sarkozy isn&#039;t Jewish. Jewishness is considered to pass down only through the mother, and his mother was Roman Catholic, while even his father converted to Catholicism. &#039;Jewish&#039; is neither a country nor a nationality. It is a religion associated with ethnic origins. If it were only an ethnic grouping, then many Maltese would be Jewish, because we originally were. I suppose it fits well with your other prejudices that you would think of a person primarily as Jewish. In reality, Sarkozy is the son of a Hungarian immigrant to France, and Ed Miliband the son of Belgian immigrants to Britain, who were in turn the offspring of Polish immigrants.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136214">Socrates</a>.</p>
<p>Sarkozy and Milibank are both Jews, well they all turn out to be from ONE culture. So much for diversity&#8230;lol</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Sarkozy isn&#8217;t Jewish. Jewishness is considered to pass down only through the mother, and his mother was Roman Catholic, while even his father converted to Catholicism. &#8216;Jewish&#8217; is neither a country nor a nationality. It is a religion associated with ethnic origins. If it were only an ethnic grouping, then many Maltese would be Jewish, because we originally were. I suppose it fits well with your other prejudices that you would think of a person primarily as Jewish. In reality, Sarkozy is the son of a Hungarian immigrant to France, and Ed Miliband the son of Belgian immigrants to Britain, who were in turn the offspring of Polish immigrants.]</strong></p>
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		By: Chris Mifsud		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Mifsud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136131&quot;&gt;Liberal&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually the EU is not against push backs if I am not mistaken. It is the EU Commission (EC) that is against push backs.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Have you learned NOTHING from this debate? Push-backs are illegal, full-stop. They violate human rights on several counts. There was a judgement of the European Court of Human Rights, last year. Malta has to apply that judgement not because it is in the EU, but because it is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights. Even if we were not in the EU, push-backs would be illegal.

The main reason push-backs are illegal is that they do not allow people the opportunity to apply for asylum and to stay until their case is decided. That is a violation of their human rights. Also, push-backs literally push the immigrants back to their point of departure, which might be unsafe. This is not the same as repatriation, which means sending them back to the country of which they are citizens.

&quot;Actually the EU is not against push backs if I am not mistaken. It is the EU Commission (EC) that is against push backs.&quot; Words almost fail me. What do you think the EU is? And what do you think the European Commission is? This is absolutely unbelievable. Somebody else please explain because I fear I might flip my lid while doing so.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136131">Liberal</a>.</p>
<p>Actually the EU is not against push backs if I am not mistaken. It is the EU Commission (EC) that is against push backs.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Have you learned NOTHING from this debate? Push-backs are illegal, full-stop. They violate human rights on several counts. There was a judgement of the European Court of Human Rights, last year. Malta has to apply that judgement not because it is in the EU, but because it is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights. Even if we were not in the EU, push-backs would be illegal.</p>
<p>The main reason push-backs are illegal is that they do not allow people the opportunity to apply for asylum and to stay until their case is decided. That is a violation of their human rights. Also, push-backs literally push the immigrants back to their point of departure, which might be unsafe. This is not the same as repatriation, which means sending them back to the country of which they are citizens.</p>
<p>&#8220;Actually the EU is not against push backs if I am not mistaken. It is the EU Commission (EC) that is against push backs.&#8221; Words almost fail me. What do you think the EU is? And what do you think the European Commission is? This is absolutely unbelievable. Somebody else please explain because I fear I might flip my lid while doing so.]</strong></p>
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		By: Chris Mifsud		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Mifsud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136061&quot;&gt;just me&lt;/a&gt;.

I doubt they will make Malta look bad. Maybe in the eyes of a few stupid EU commissioners, some NGO&#039;s and some &quot;authors&quot;.

But most normal people from other European countries which have their own problems of illegal immigrants will agree with a push back policy. 

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - I see you are not yet clear on the matter of violations of human rights not being subject to majority rule. So, I shall repeat: push-backs are a violation of human rights. Therefore, it matters not a jot whether the majority want them or not, because the majority, just like any minority, are subject to the rule of law.]
&lt;/strong&gt;
Actually I was reading the comments underneath an article about Malta&#039;s attempt to push back the recent illegal immigrants on a UK online newspaper, I can&#039;t remember which one but it was a reputable one and most of the people commenting  agreed with push back and complained about how immigrants have become a huge problem in the UK and how crime has shot up and how immigrants are taking over.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Reputable newspapers, Mr Mifsud, do not make for reputable readers on line. Nor for particularly intelligent ones. It is not as though we don&#039;t have our own example here, with timesofmalta.com Refer to the point about majority rule and human rights violations, above.]&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe push backs is not the solution because it is illegal but something must be done sooner rather than later or before we know it these people (the illegal immigrants) will be demanding even more rights. In the UK radicals are even calling for Sharia law.

&lt;strong&gt;[Daphne - Human rights, Mr Mifsud, are not demanded. They are inalienable. UK radicals may call for sharia law. There is freedom of speech in the UK as there is in the rest of the free world. For precisely the same reason, among others, they will not get it. I suppose the irony escapes you that until fairly recently in historical terms, Malta lived under the Roman Catholic equivalent of Sharia law. We still have the last remaining vestiges of that in our marriage law. You might not find that frightening because it is what you understand and feel safe with. It is, however, a prospect that is disturbing to many others.]&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2013/07/malta-has-already-saved-europe-from-the-ottoman-empire-we-are-planning-to-repeat-the-performance-i-cant-believe-these-people-actually-went-to-school/#comment-1136061">just me</a>.</p>
<p>I doubt they will make Malta look bad. Maybe in the eyes of a few stupid EU commissioners, some NGO&#8217;s and some &#8220;authors&#8221;.</p>
<p>But most normal people from other European countries which have their own problems of illegal immigrants will agree with a push back policy. </p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; I see you are not yet clear on the matter of violations of human rights not being subject to majority rule. So, I shall repeat: push-backs are a violation of human rights. Therefore, it matters not a jot whether the majority want them or not, because the majority, just like any minority, are subject to the rule of law.]<br />
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Actually I was reading the comments underneath an article about Malta&#8217;s attempt to push back the recent illegal immigrants on a UK online newspaper, I can&#8217;t remember which one but it was a reputable one and most of the people commenting  agreed with push back and complained about how immigrants have become a huge problem in the UK and how crime has shot up and how immigrants are taking over.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Reputable newspapers, Mr Mifsud, do not make for reputable readers on line. Nor for particularly intelligent ones. It is not as though we don&#8217;t have our own example here, with timesofmalta.com Refer to the point about majority rule and human rights violations, above.]</strong></p>
<p>Maybe push backs is not the solution because it is illegal but something must be done sooner rather than later or before we know it these people (the illegal immigrants) will be demanding even more rights. In the UK radicals are even calling for Sharia law.</p>
<p><strong>[Daphne &#8211; Human rights, Mr Mifsud, are not demanded. They are inalienable. UK radicals may call for sharia law. There is freedom of speech in the UK as there is in the rest of the free world. For precisely the same reason, among others, they will not get it. I suppose the irony escapes you that until fairly recently in historical terms, Malta lived under the Roman Catholic equivalent of Sharia law. We still have the last remaining vestiges of that in our marriage law. You might not find that frightening because it is what you understand and feel safe with. It is, however, a prospect that is disturbing to many others.]</strong></p>
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