A very large vodka, please
Another year, another Eurovision Song Contest – is it my imagination, or is the fever a little less, well, feverish this time? Maybe our serial losses have dampened our enthusiasm, or perhaps we’ve grown up and stopped being so Swedish about it all.
Bjorn Erichsen, who is not Swedish but Danish and the director of Eurovision television, has accused the BBC and the great British public of failing to consider the annual cheese-fest with the gravitas it deserves. “They take it much more seriously in Sweden,” he said accusingly last week. “They have a genuine love and respect for it there.” Erichsen singled out Terry Wogan as being symptomatic of the naughty British attitude towards the song contest. “Terry Wogan is a problem because he makes it look ridiculous,” he said. “I know he is very popular and maybe that is the reason why a lot of people watch. But one day he will have to retire and the BBC will have to find someone else. It will be interesting to see if that attitude changes.”
No, it won’t – because Wogan doesn’t shape the British attitude towards the Eurovision Song Contest. He reflects it. His successor will be the same, because the British audience is never going to accept a commentator who treats the show with reverence, or who doesn’t pillory it. To the British, and to increasingly many Maltese of whom I am one, the Eurovision Song Contest is a camp, over-the-top event that we love to hate. Over the years, it has become a parody of itself. The winning acts are the ones that realize this, like Lordi, and not the ones that take themselves too seriously, like anyone from Malta.
The Eurovision Song Contest only regained popularity in Britain when Wogan began his caustic commentary. Thanks to him, the show now pulls in around 10 million viewers in Britain alone, and countless other millions who watch the BBC broadcast over cable or satellite. In Malta, those with the Swedish approach to Eurovision watch the TVM broadcast, while the rest stick with Terry Wogan and the BBC. Sometimes, we non-Swedes switch to TVM for the sheer pleasure of hearing all that breathless football-type commentary that is as devoid of humour as a computer instruction manual. The reverse happens, too, and the Swedish types of Europe zap to Wogan to give themselves a frisson of irritation and even outrage. The Danes went nuts seven years ago when he described the Danish presenters as ‘Doctor Death and the tooth fairy’, which pretty much summed them up.
The controversy made it to the leading article of The Sunday Telegraph last week:
With so many of humanity’s harmless pastimes now delivered to us wrapped in swirling mists of bombast – when football and rugby and even snooker, for heaven’s sake, must be shown, not simply as enjoyable games, but as the elemental conflicts of demigods – Sir Terry Wogan’s obstinately unserious approach to the Eurovision Song Contest goes refreshingly against the grain. Congratulations, to quote Sir Cliff Richard, are certainly due to the BBC for allowing him to go on, year after year, gently ribbing this fiesta of musical inconsequence….The contest is a precious opportunity for the peoples of Europe to come together in a spirit of mutual ridicule, to exchange incomprehensible rude remarks, and bombard each other with harmless volleys of La La La and Boom Bang-a-Bang. It would be appalling if it were to be destroyed by a spirit of earnestness or reverence.
Amen to that. If only some of the more earnest people here, including the Maltasong Board or whatever it’s called, would take that advice on board.
Now bear with me while I put on my language police cap. We have a new parliament – it would be stretching things to call it fresh – and this has brought with it the usual set-my-teeth-on-edge references to the legislature as a period of time (five years) rather than an actual physical body of people who legislate. I’m not going to delve into the matter of how, in Maltese, ‘legislatura’ (surely that should be ‘legizlatura’?) came to mean the five years between the state opening of parliament and its dissolution. That’s what it has come to mean, and I am not about to argue with the rapidly-evolving mysteries of the language. The important thing is to remember that ‘legislatura’ and ‘legislature’ no longer mean the same thing, even if there was once a better-informed time when they did. This means that ‘tul din il-legislatura’ does not translate as ‘during this legislature’, because the legislature is made up of people, and not of days, months or years. Now that’s off my chest (take it easy, Jason).
Alfred Sant, whose constitutional role as leader of the opposition, when he is not leader of the opposition party, is being questioned, stood up in parliament to refresh our memory of why we stampeded to vote him away from the prime minister’s chair three times on the trot.
Somebody really needs to put this man out of his misery, because evidently the will of the electorate is not enough to give him the message. He is clearly somebody who insists on seeing the glass as half-full, at least where his own personal interests are concerned. Instead of telling himself that Malta decided three times in a row that it didn’t want him as prime minister, he tells himself that almost as many people voted for him as for Lawrence Gonzi. This is like trying to jump across a deep chasm, missing the other side by half an inch, and then telling yourself, when you’re lying at the bottom with your back broken in three places, that you almost made it. Ah, but you didn’t make it.
I really don’t know how people took his speech seriously, especially now that there is no risk of him becoming prime minister ever again, unless he plans to challenge the party-leader contenders unexpectedly, as he did last time. The man is a walking, talking joke, and he should be treated as such. Consider his latest narrative, which is the name he likes to give to his interpretations of reality. A clique of mysterious but powerful people have turned the Nationalist Party into a brand and a tool, and are using this branded tool to control all the major decisions taken in Malta. Sant is afraid that this network is attempting to manipulate the Labour Party, but he knows that the Labour Party is strong enough to resist.
Heaven knows that there are enough conspiracy theorists and sci-fi enthusiasts on the internet, using names like Trojan Warrior and Purple Warlord, debating with each other the various ins and outs of political life in Malta. It comes as no surprise to see evidence once more that the won’t-go-away leader of the opposition is one of them. That Alfred Sant lives in a world of his own making has been obvious for some time. Now, because he sees that some people who sympathise with the Nationalist Party find it easy to relate to some other people who sympathise with that faction of the Labour Party which supports George Abela, he sees this as an attempt by the former to infiltrate and colonise the Labour Party, by using the George Abela faction as a Trojan horse.
Sant didn’t spell it out, but as an expert reader of his mental meanderings (and I should be one by now), I can tell you that this is exactly what he is thinking. It doesn’t occur to him, because he is not one who suffers from self-doubt, that what this says is one thing only: that he and his immediate predecessors have been the main cause of Malta’s internecine political warfare, by behaving like dangerous and threatening enemies instead of like fellow Maltese with different opinions. Alfred Sant, Dom Mintoff and Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici all had (and still have) a serious attitude problem. They are very different people but they have one thing in common: their political behaviour was and is sociopathic. Even those who don’t even know the meaning of the word somehow sense this. It manifested itself in a desire to push their ideas through at all costs, regardless of the damage caused to the people and the country.
Even now, with his ideas rejected at the polls for the third time – the fourth time, if you factor in the referendum on Europe – Sant used his first speech in parliament to defend and justify his plan to cut the electricity surcharge by half and to tell us how wrong we were not to choose him over Gonzi. The most astonishing thing is that he wasn’t barracked from the benches on the other side – and there is strong justification for barracking, too, from the benches on his side, given the irreparable long-term damage he has caused his party.
Alfred Sant, like an unwanted guest, shows no signs of leaving even when every member of the household is yawning, looking at their watch, or making increasingly longer trips to the bathroom, then loudly announcing that they are retiring to bed because they have an early start tomorrow. We go to bed, wake up the next morning, and find him still on our sofa, ready to engage us in another irritating conversation. And there is nothing we can do to turf him out, because when we get back from work 10 hours later, he’s still there, taking a bath and cooking himself some supper.
This article is published in The Malta Independent on Sunday today.
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I do own up to watching Terry Wogan’s yearly massacre of the Euro Song. His comments are the highlight of the whole evening, and the “artistic” fare comes a far second, as far as I am concerned.
BTW, I have recently heard the Maltese song and wonder what the voters were thinking of when they choose Vodka. Maybe they were proposing that we turn to it to drown our sorrow when, and if, it flops?
Alas, BBC Prime is no longer screening the Eurovision, so no Wogan for us.
[Moderator – Noooo! Where did you hear this?]
The meaning of ‘legislatura’ in Maltese does not correspond to that of its equivalent in English, but in Italian, where it refers to both the body that legislates, as well as its term of office.
It is quite common for similar words to have different meanings in English and Maltese, for example, ‘skop’ and ‘scope’, though it seems very few people appreciate this.
Alfred Sant won’t go away. He has nothing else to live for.
While being one of the “Swedish” (OK, I know I’m in a minority in here but please don’t stone me), I do not have a problem with Terry Wogan.
I’m in favour of doing our best to give a solid performance but I also believe that we should stop there (i.e. no whining afterwards).
As for the lack of interest this year, it is partly due to the two consecutive losses at ESC but also due to the Election fever which did not allow the Eurovision fever to soar!
One last (unrelated) comment: Those who fear Malta winning due to financial burden, there were organisers, such as the Greeks, who managed to make profit from the contest (and not considering full hotel occupancy etc.)
@jb and mod:
BBC will broadcast ESC as follows:
Semi-finals: Tuesday 20 and Thursday 22 May on BBC Three
Final: Saturday 24 May on BBC One
Sorry to write again…but I just remembered that the French discussed their song in Parliament because it is not in French! At least we haven’t gone that far yet, although that would make parliamentary sessions a bit more interesting!
@ Corinne
Maybe we’ll send AS to the Eurovixin…he’ll win hands down…if only for his weirdness. Eurovixin digs weird.
From we saw (and heard) he still craves an audience. We’ll send him to shake the groove thing over there.
MOD: According to the BBC site Wogan will be on board to give his running commentary of the kitsch fest, so you don’t need copious amounts of Vodka to survive this ‘show’. You just need WOgan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision/
The link to see Wogan’s interview is not available outside the UK but I wanted to set your mind at rest. How sweeeeeeeeet. Back to my studies :(
jb: Isn’t that difference due to confusion over meaning,which is what happens with pronunciation as in ‘blekbort’ instead of ‘blackboard’?
If its not football, its the festi. If its not the festi, its Eurovixin. We really have to have some kind of passion. And its all about our endless quest to show that yes, Malta means something and has to win at somthing internationally. its our psyche. We are a mouse that wants to roar but ultimately ends up squeaking. Instead of celebrating our greats, like the Calleja tenor, and the Debono author, we have to make the ultmate cheesefest our foray into the world. This is what we “compete” with…..a bloody song. Instead of taking a long hard look at our national psyche, which includes such national pastimes as birdshooting, fly tipping, hideous construction, loud music emanating from cars, rampant infidelity and an unbelieveable disrispect for our truly unique cultural heritage and landscape, or whats left of it, we channel our efforts into supporting Malta’s Eurovixin entry, or Malta’s hapless national football team. I’l bet you that there will be many a tear shed for Morena come Eurovixin night, by none other than hunters and the same people who persist in throwing their garbage bags out of cars. What a truly F***ed up people we are. Not able to accept our limitations, not able even to laugh at ourselves. I am starting to believe that we are a blight on this fair land. God help us, for no one, not even the well meaning Gonzi, will. And deliver us from a press that keeps on hyping this eurovixin nonesense.And a Church who is indifferent to whats happening to society’s psyche in Malta. We have a very bad sense of National Pride. Its misplaced, mixed up, muddled, confused……….we have no sense of national identity. We had much more identity as Maltese under the british. People were actally proud to have gone through a war and beaten the Axis, and won the George Cross. Now we get a national orgasm when Morena, or whoever preceeded her, gets anywhere remotely near the “Deux Points” from any nation come Eurovixin voting. A people like us, who persistently votes people in like Sant and Anglu deserve to disappear down the rubbis chute of history. Will no one save us?????
Can we call Alfred the Frank Sinatra of Maltese politics? If one says he’s retiring , it does not mean that he will make a come back , but then we saw the standing ovation ( in his absence) he got at the Konferenza Generali ,at the mention of his name , two weeks ago.
I’m not so sure there is no risk of Alfred Sant becoming prime minister ever again. I can just see him staying on (and on and on) as leader of the opposition; a regent to the princeling savant until he comes of age. With a pliable Joseph Muscat as party leader it won’t be so hard for Sant to position himself as the party’s candidate for prime minister.
Corinne: can you elaborate? I don’t see the connection.
SB: that’s great for those who get BBC One, but not for the rest of us who used to watch it on BBC Prime. Which is showing Bleak House instead…
Could this be a nightmare : Joe Muscat will be elected as leader of the MLP , stays on as MEP and ‘delegates’ his work to Alfred until his stint in Brussels expires.I cannot speculate who will surrender the parliamentary seat voluntarily to Joseph Muscat. Any suggestions?
[Moderator – Fausto proposes Joe Debono Grech. Santa Liena tidhol ghalina.]
Corinne: On further reflection, are you saying that the practice of writing foreign words with Maltese spelling will make people assume that any word in Maltese that resembles a word in English must have the same definition?
That may well be the case. However, I find the confusion of ‘skop’ with ‘scope’ to be common among people my age (mid-30s) who never had to deal with ‘blekbort’, ‘mowbajl’ and such like (sure, we had ‘kejk’ and ‘futbol’, but hardly anything else comes to mind).
Oh thank you God, I thought I was the only one that hates the Eurovixin and all its drama.
I have not the energy to explain myself Just follow this link.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080517/local/morenas-eye-catching-beauty
He he he some people cannot take criticism.
I am one of Terry Wogan’s fans when it comes to the Eurovision. I usually watch it on BBC Prime. But if I remember correctly it was not aired on that station last year I hope it will be this year.
Sorry to be the harbinger of the bad news but as of last year BBC Prime no longer transmits the Eurovision Song Contest. so its TVM or nothing .. Should i bring an extra bottle of vodka?! :)
jb: The practice of writing non-Maltese words using Maltese spelling is the way ‘skop’ entered the vernacular, isn’t it?
Terry Wogan afacionados in Malta will be disappointed as BBC Prime announced last year that it would not transmit any live events.
John Schembri: No nightmarish prospect but a distinct possibility. My readinf of te siutation was published, I beleive in the Times. The scenaio could be this. Joseph gets elected in June . Soon it will be summer recess for the House so Sant stays on until, the recess. When Parliament reconvenes in September Joseph is still finding his feet as Party leader and the proposal si made to the Party that Sant should stand in for him while he tackles the ” monumental task” of reorganizing the Party structures. Before you can say ‘scram” it will be election time for the new MEPs. Sant gives up his Parliamentary seat to Joseph and contests the EP election. The whole of Malta willvote for him. Half to get him out of their hair and the other half in adulation.
Avenger:You’ve got vision, I think you beat us all with this highly plausible PRediction.
PRosit!
Daphne,watch out you’ve got competition.
It’s true about the increasing loss of interest. I used to hear all the songs a month before and was a fan of the Eurovision. I haven’t even heard Morena’s this time round. It’s not worth all the effort, Malta should pull out until the system is reformed. It was such a joy watching eurovision ten, fifteen years back. Now I can envision the top ten slots taken up by eastern european countries and the bottom ten, western european countries, without even hearing any of the songs. Where’s the fun?
@ Mario Debono: I’m perplexed how you managed to insert “rampant infidelity” with the other things you chose to highlight. Besides, what is infidelity to you may not be infidelity to others. What are you suggesting by “taking a long hard look at our national psyche” in the case of infidelity? That anyone should concern themselves with people’s private lives? Trying to control people’s private and intimate lives is probably the real national past-time and not infidelity or the ESC. Infidelity is nobody’s business but the business of those who indulge in it and, possibly, their immediate families. It is certainly no more a Maltese phenomenon than that of any other country except, perhaps, where sharia law is the law of the land and people are scared of being whipped, lapidated or beheaded for adultery. Are you thinking we make infidelity a criminal offence like birdshooting out of season or what do you envisage as the result of the “long hard look”? It’s incredible how anyone should even think of making such a comment in Europe in 2008. Have we really caught up with Europe yet? I have heard few suggestions more menacing than this since Napoleon abolished the Holy Inquisition from these Catholic shores where it survived belatedly till 1798, years after the Enlightenment.
All arguments, including the ESC, are worthy of debate but it may be well to discuss more deeply those topics that really matter to our lives.
@ Corinne Vella
“Alfred Sant won’t go away. He has nothing else to live for.”
You are harsh Ms Vella. Your biting assumption, no doubt, arises from the fact that Dr. Sant lost his religion and his wife to boot. Unlike wholesome Dr. Gonzi, right?
But surely there are other things to live for. Music, literature, travel, conversation, a good glass of wine.
I’m no fan of Dr. Sant but something tells me that Alfred is more of a connoisseur of such things than Lawrence. Of course, I concede that that is just another assumption.
[Moderator – If he feels more comfortable with a glass of wine, then he should never have left the tavern to join the party in the first place.]
Ever since the EBU allowed all these backward East European/Asian countries to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest, the whole saga has become a laughable farce. After all, its these sub standard countries’ chance at getting some sort of exposure. That’s when the EU started its backward trend too. Can you tell me what Bulgaria and Romania have contributed to the EU project? And now they want Croatia too!
oh and Daphne, can u change your photo on the independent. You look suspiciously like the Mona Lisa….. Do someting a bit softer, a bit more hip perhaps….
@ Dr Sigmund Bonello
Connoisseurs savour their wine not overindulge…
I take it you’re a follower of Drs Muscat and Sant? Since you seem to like to flaunt your academic credentials?
@ Mario Debono
I think that our Daph’s photo reflects exactly who she is … Soft she ain’t so don’t try to turn her into Mother Teresa with a maribou.
Mario Debono – How about posting a photo of yourself here :)
“A” good glass of wine? Are you sure it’s just “a” glass? Just asking …
Meerkat – At least his surname’s not Freud
@ Amanda
Don’t think it’s Freud since DOCTOR Sigmund Bonello’s attempt at delineating the differences between the Gonz and DOCTOR Sant was more psychobabble than psychoanalysis…Maybe he’s Dr Phil in disguise?
Corinne: As I see it, ‘skop’ is a Maltese word derived from an Italian one. It’s not a non-Maltese word written in Maltese spelling.
a photo of myself would break all the screens of your computers…….besides i dont even have one . whenever they try to take one, the camera breaks!
Sigmund Bonello: That is your interpretation, not mine. I did not say that Alfred Sant has no other interests. I said he has nothing else to live for.
@ Dr Sigmund Bonello omg another one who likes to flaunt his name with an academic prefix.(on a blog hehehehe)…must def be another of the the “arana ma kemm jien bravu” type. I dont have any university credentials (missed out thanks to Dom Mintoff), but I have yet to come across Europeans who print all their degrees on their business cards as the Maltese do ! However recently I did meet a Nigerian university professor who had a 3 liner of degrees on his business card, so perhaps nigerians are over qualified versus the Maltese.
I find it even more hilarious when these degree flaunters are just academics and are non achievers, Dr Alfred Sant is a most classic example (remember Metalfond ?) with Prof(s) Josef Bonnici coming a very close second, who in 5 years as minister for govt Investments had managed to almost bleed to death every govt entity !
Hi. Back with loads of EU forms and reports. LOL.Left a sign on my office door NOT TO BE DISTURBED.Must publicly thank all local EMPs offices for their assistance. It was invaluable.
Just having a deserved break after 4 hrs non stop to present my ‘report’ early this afternoon..My secretary would just do the rest, especially proof reading which I hate to do. lol. And here I am trying to relax for a few minutes. I wasn’t dissapointed as I found what I did expect.
Would have liked to comment on all silly and spiteful remarks, but my time is very limited, at least for the time being. I wonder why the ‘regulars’ in this forum have practically the same traits and are rarely constructive or reasonable.
Would be much more interesting if those who play ‘knows all’ would spend their energies in finding the best substitute to our ‘outdated parliamentary system’. Both local major political parties are aware of this. Which party would be the forerunner in this major political upheaval?
I wouldn’t bet a cent on the PN. Why? Too damn weak and terrified of any change.I do expect that someone in here makes a major effort to understand my message.
Davis s. Some people with an academic background are non-achievers. Many academics are high achievers. The misconception in Malta that ‘academic’ and ‘non-achiever’ are interchangeable terms is probably because flaunting academic degrees is a nervous tic of a particular breed of politician.
An interview with MLP President Zrinzo Azzopardi in today’s Independent (Monday) bears comment. I do not know the learned member of the Bar personally but I do rate him as one of the few good, moderate elements of the MLP. In the summary of the interview the Independent reported ZA as saying:
” The general conference, which will be electing a new leader and two deputy leaders in June, must also shoulder its responsibility for the defeat the MLP suffered at the 8 March election. “Everyone holding a post bears responsibility,” he said.
‘Yet, the party was not trying to blame individuals, but is reflecting on how to do the good things it did better and how to responsibly address the factors that held the MLP back’ ”
That’s a new one on me. The General Conference is now also reponsible for the MLP debacle at election time. I guess he may be right. The General Conference is responsible isofar as it was the General Conference that elected Alfred Sant Leader. And there’s more. ZA tells us that “the Party is reflecting on how to do the good things better.” Which are the good things that the MLP did during the election campaign that were good enough to be bettered. Perhaos ZA can give us a list – a short list no doubt.
There’s even more. Dr ZA told the Independent that
” Labour’s defeat could not be attributed to a single factor, given the slim margin between the parties but conceded that the party’s message was not strongly conveyed enough to solicit an electoral victory”.
On the Party’s message he is definitely wrong. The Party’s message through their Leader Alfred SAant emerged loud and clear from day one. It said ” Wait till we get elected. I’ll fix you all – independent journalists, my critics, you who ridicule my proposals and the rest of you who will try not make me Prime Minister again”. Well we heard the message, more than understood the great immortal Leader if the MLP and voted the PN back with gusto.
Oh dear me… the ARANI MA epdiemic is hitting new highs. It seems to be infecting mostly those with a socialist ideology.
Did anyone read La Benoit’s column, her last paragraph? She is amazing. According to her Alfred Sant’s speech in parliament was “excellent”. Come on Marie you must be joking, just get over it, Alfred Sant is not Prime Minister Material. The people have spoken. His political career should be over so get a life. Sit in a corner with a box of chocolates to comfort yourself and think about the next five years. Labour was so close and yet so far!
The bottom line is that with all the governemnt and private sector apparatus behind them and with the so-called serial loser Alfred Sant at the helm of Labour, the PN squeaked through by 1580 votes. All the talk of getting the masses out to vote agst labour is not correct, it was just the fear factor coming home again. A typical Maltese inferior trait – ‘inbezzaw bil-babaw’. And this coming from the party of Smart City and all that BS is pretty rich.
[Moderator – Is SmartCity really BS?]
And I would definitely vote for Alfred Sant as my MEP. It would be a long overdue recognition of his sterling service to party and country. It would be more than appropriate for him to go back to Brussels where he started off as a visionary leftist politician. Since his own country treated him so badly and was so damnably cruel and vindictive to him.
I wanted to share with your readers this interesting article called ‘The maths of Eurovision voting’ which I found on the BBC website this morning.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7408216.stm
@Jenny
That column is a health hazard.
Look out for side effects.
She has to fill the same amount of
space with the same amount of words.
No matter what.
The visionary lies to himself, the liar only to others.
Mcomb.As long as Labourites are happy with Leaders that send them down the Opposition tube every election that comes around, that’s where they will remain, in Opposition. Sterling service to the Party eh? Some service. I said in an earlier cotribution that to ensure an MEP seat for Sant, the whole country will vote for him – half to get him out of their hair and the other half, you included, out of adulation. To each his own.
Mcomb: For someone who announced his last post a while ago, you’ve got a lot to say, haven’t you? It’s a pity that it’s just more of the same sort of tripe that had you go off in a sulky fit.
Your upside down thinking is breath taking, and I’m not talking about your reference to Alfred Sant’s ‘sterling service to party and country’, or your reference to his ill treatment at the hands of those he wished to govern. What sort of honour is it for a man who once was and three times would like to have been Prime Minister of Malta to slip back down into being a lowly MEP?
He’d be better off if he stuck to reading and writing books.
And so would the rest of us.
Mcomb, you are literally in every sense of the meaning brainwashed.
Lord have mercy on Mcomb for he does not have a mind of his own.
I cant understand why this blog is entitled “A large Vodka please” and the discussion is about Alfred Sant ?
Oh yes I almost forgot B Bugia Meeting 21.09.2007..thats it!
@Mcomb: Instead of calling Dr Sant a”serial loser”, can we call him “nearly a winner for THREE consecutive times” ?
I didn’t realise that the secret MLP delegation went to Dubai to deal in FYM.
Vodka? This blog is sploshing in Caqnu Beer.
[Moderator – Would you like a pretzel to go with yours?]
“As if the problems posed by the loss-making shipyard are not troubling enough to the country, new difficulties are arising that may well slow down the rate of economic progress by more than the rate already forecast.”
So begins today’s The Times editorial. What a far cry from the bustling, bullish feeling of GonziPN flag-waving!
No wonder this blog has become Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant Alfred Sant
I find a number of comments on this forum quite hilarious: others are very spiteful while the ‘chosen few’ are so far away from reality of the living.
Whoever made that intelligent remark about our dear Daphne’s pic on the Independent should go a bit further and maybe ask for a coloured and most recent pic. Surely it is not a question of money : money was never a problem!
In the meantime, I wonder why no one has yet congratulated the Government for trying to make us all slimmer and in the long run sexier.Maybe our looks aren’t that important in this forum.
Whatever one’s opinion and beliefs are please remember that ‘to live’ is much more interesting then ‘to exist’.
The message is very clear ……ok dear??!!!…
[Moderator – Peter Muscat/Jennifer Attard, what are you on about?]
Mcomb, it seems that you are still licking your wounds. I bet that if Alfred Sant was to be given another chance you would be trilled. Even though he has lost so many elections, you wouldn’t mind him trying again at the next election, hoping that he would become prime minister, then pig would fly!!!
you are brainwashed and pathetic.
No, jenny…
it happens that some have a different opinion than you do.
Simply that. But the concept has become very difficult for some to understand.
@ david s – no, no, no – (Dr) Josef Bonnici must come out far in front for ineptitude – him of the famous ‘no hedging agreements’. Whatever did we do to deserve him??
Thanks for all the compliments such as brainwashed, pathetic etc.
I happen to know AS has a liking for good music, especially classical and is also an author and a voracious reader (refer to Frans Sammut’s book, Alfred Sant, ‘Il-Vizjoni ghall-Bidla’ pub SKS 2008)
He is a cultured, highly intelligent and very approachable man (unlike the snob you make him out to be Daphne). And yes, I still believe he is the right leader for the Labour Party in the circumstances.
And at least he was man enough to offer his resignation unlike good old EFA in 1996 when he was soundly thrashed after just 9 years of supposed bliss
U hallikom mid-degrees jahasra. They’re only a tiny fraction of the great man…
Corinne – can you please explain how the fine distinction you make between ‘things to live for’ and ‘interests’ plays out in practice. What do you ‘live for’ Corinne? What does the common man ‘live for’? To give but one colourful example what, would you say, I.M. Beck ‘lives for’?
@ mcomb “recognition for Alfred’s Sant sterling service to party and country”
Are you serious? Moaning from opposition bench? Where were you this last 20 years, outerspace?
You can also blame it on the rain!
Do I have to repeat myself ad nauseam. Maltese people are not scared of the babaw. Maltese people were not scared of the mighty Nazi Fascist onslaught in WW2 when I lost two young cousins in Zejtun clutching their dolls on their way to the “shelter”. They fought back valiantly against all odds. They are proud of their effort to this day (those of them who are still around including my father who was in the RMA). UPRIGHT Maltese people are scared of il-lejber because of its horrific baggage 1971-1987. This is a historical undeniable fact. We Maltese never accept atrocious affronts to our sedate way of life by our own countrymen. This is what the MLP has to disown. It’s party’s past. I know it is very hard. It is like the treatment of disseminated cancer. Triple whammy or you are doomed. And this is what the Maltese population had to face for 16 years – a dreadful cancer affecting its everyday life- all pervasive. The sooner the new leadership does this the better for the MLP and for democracy in Malta.
@Lemming
How could anybody not offer their resignation after 4 thrashings? Being man enough has nothing to do with it.
Alfred Sant highly intelligent? Why did he keep it hidden so well instead of using it?
And why shoud Eddie Fenech Adami have resigned after one defeat in 1996? 10 years in goverment is the normal lifespan of any government, but ofcourse when you have a joke of an opposition it’s bound to last longer as in this case. Besides 98 proved that the only way Sant won was by fooling the electorate that he was going to get rid of fiscal cash registers.
87 to 96 supposed bliss? Well compared to the previous 16 years they certainly were!
Oh, and its finally official. NO PAIRING. Winning by just 1,580 votes does have consequences!
“Hi. Back with loads of EU forms and reports. LOL.Left a sign on my office door NOT TO BE DISTURBED.Must publicly thank all local EMPs offices for their assistance. It was invaluable.
Just having a deserved break after 4 hrs non stop to present my ‘report’ early this afternoon..My secretary would just do the rest, especially proof reading which I hate to do. lol. And here I am trying to relax for a few minutes.”
When is the sex part coming in this narrative, ’cause my attention is wandering………..
In other words, who gives a ……..?
“They’re only a tiny fraction of the great man”
But what a pity that the great man cannot seem to forego his “tinyness”
“He is a cultured, highly intelligent and very approachable man (unlike the snob you make him out to be Daphne). And yes, I still believe he is the right leader for the Labour Party in the circumstances. ”
For heaven’s sake man, very few would quibble with you on AS’s culture, intelligence, etc.
OH, and when you wrote that you consider the fella is the right leader for the MLP, I am sure that the Pieta boys would agree with you wholeheartedly on that.
@ Dr Sigmund Bonello
You said ‘U hallikom mid-degree jahasra…they’re only a tiny fraction of the great man’
If they’re a ‘tiny fraction’, why don’t you remove yours from your name on this blog, ej?
As for the ‘great’ appellation to you-know-who, I nearly choked on the pretzel (a’ la Bush) that Mod is generously passing round… (see comment to Abel Abela)
What’s great about the man, pray? And I am not asking about his hobbies…which you so kindly listed to us but the greatness in the public arena…which he has chosen (he was not dragged)
Time for some comic relief. Please take a ten minute break for Woody Allen: What Happens During Ejaculation.
” Winning by just 1,580 votes does have consequences!”
There is a glimmer of hope here folks. Farrugia has finally conceeded that MLP lost, which means that he acknowledges that the PN won.
So why are the MLP being uncoperative? Is is because they lost by a narrow margin? Or is this a case of “If I can’t play, neither will you”? That’s called spite Farrugia.
Daphne, Let’s say George Abela is elected Labour Leader on 5 June. That would not be enough to make you vote Labour next time. What would he have to do to get your vote?
@Dr Sigmund Bonello – you ask what I M Beck lives for? In that incarnation, one of the things I live for is to observe people like you tying yourselves in pseudo-intellectual knots trying to defend the MLP and its various disappointments. Vindictive enough and petty enough for you? So glad….
Sigmund Bonello: What I live for is no one’s business but my own and I. M. Beck can speak for himself. Alfred Sant, on the other hand, has publically made it very clear that the driving force in his life has been becoming Prime Minister of Malta. He achieved that aim, made a mess of it, lost the job, and repeatedly tried to get back into power. Now that he has ‘irrevocably’ resigned, he’s still trying to control the flow of events and tweak the strings of Joseph-a-vote-for-me-is-for-me-alone-Muscat. I can’t see Alfred Sant living only for the sake of a glass of wine and a good book, though I’ve no doubt those are things he enjoys.
Flash News:::Yesterday, the MLP turned down request for pairing. Thus, Malta is to miss 5+5 meeting.
Malta will not be represented at a meeting of the Home Affairs Ministers of the 5+5 countries on Wednesday after the Opposition refused to grant pairing to the government for a vote in Parliament.
The vote will conclude the debate on an address in reply to the address by the President at the State Opening of Parliament.The 5+5 groups France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Malta, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauretania and Morocco. The meeting is due to be held in Mauretania.
Tonio Borg, Leader of the House, speaking at the first meeting of the House Business Committee this evening asked the Opposition if it could, at least, pair Justice and Home Afffairs Minister Carm Mifsud Bonnici. But Opposition whip Joe Mizzi said the Opposition had already decided there would be no pairing on this vote.
Pairing in an informal arrangement where members of the Opposition are ‘paired’ with members of the government and will not vote if the government MPs are away on official business.
The government has a majority of only one in Parliament and therefore needs all its MPs to be present whenever a vote is to be taken.
Prior to the convening of Parliament the Opposition had said it would consider requests for pairing on a case by case basis until a decision is taken after the new leadership of the MLP is elected.
First sign of Unity within the Mlp!
[Moderator – Unity? More like sheer blockheadedness. The only reason the MLP won’t decide on pairing is this:
So our representatives are being kept from attending the Western Mediterranean Forum because the MLP’s parliamentary group is busy with, er, nothing. The MLP is completely cutting off its nose to spite its face: the 5+5 meeting is in the interest of the entire country.]
@Lemming: I never said that Alfred Sant is a SOCIAL snob. He has no grounds for that, given his background. I maintain that he is an INTELLECTUAL snob, like many others of his kind in the Labour Party, and you are going to find it very hard to argue against that. People like this use their learning to mask other failings and to bolster up their insecurities in other areas.
@Jennifer Attard – the photograph was taken a few weeks ago. The newspaper does not run colour pictures. If you want a version in colour taken on the day day in the same session, look at the editorial pages of Taste and Flair magazines.
Albert farrugia is all glee because there is no pairing agreement – as though the govt is going to survive a couple of months. You should recall that the 87 – 92 PN govt had no pairing agreement and a majority of 1 seat – and it lasted a full 5 years.
The PN is a compact and disciplined party because of a) stong leadership b) its supporters share a common vision, unlike many who support labour just by default, because of some chip on their shoulder
[Moderator – That is aside from the fact that there is no decision on pairing all because Joe Mizzi wants a week-long break for his parliamentary group. And all for the want of a horse shoe nail…]
Lemming: An afterthought…
You believe that Alfred Sant is “is the right leader for the Labour Party in the circumstances”. Your belief is well grounded as long as the MLP remains blockheaded and continues to act according to a fictionalised version of reality. That is nothing to be proud of. Face facts and admit it: Alfred Sant discredits the party he supposedly champions.
Jennifer Attard: First of all, unity is not a proper noun. Second, but no less important, is the fact that if this is the first sign of unity within the MLP, then we should be even more worried than we are. If the MLP, as you imply, unites against Malta’s interests, then the party really cannot be trusted in opposition, let alone in government. You’re gloating that the MLP’s use of bureaucratic inefficiency as a fig leaf for pettiness is something to be proud of. You’re overlooking the fact that Malta’s participation in international fora that can and will influence the whole country’s future – including that of the MLP and its members – is being blocked by the MLP’s pettiness. What, beyond cheap political points, does the MLP hope to gain for the country it feels qualified to govern?
To whom it may concern:
All that the government has to do when the need
arises is to skip voting in that particular sitting.
May be slow , but effective.
What I’m trying to say is that AS was character assasinated from Day One of his leadership. He is not the monster you make him out to be. He has a daughter whom he dotes upon and has a human side to him.
Why all this hatred and vindictiveness against a person? Ok, so he made a few mistakes, but who doesen’t in politics.
As Godfrey Grima said on ‘Bil Fatti’, Il Partit Nazzjonalista kien kattiv hafna m’ Alfred Sant’ It’s almsot as if after being bashed about under Mintoff and KMB, they just were hell bent for revenge against someone. And that person was Alfred Sant. At least he didn’t have to wait for ten years to win an election, he won it at his first attempt and from Opposition.
[Moderator – A few mistakes?]
As regards the pairing agreement, what do you expect? You don’t have a majority of 5 anymore so that cowboy Austin can go and give guarantees that the sale of public land for a pittance to oil rich Arabs. 1580 votes remember are not even a parliamentary seat. And don’t tell me that 5+5 is something important, its just another talking shop Corinne and you very well know it. And david S, I would check your facts about a disciplined and united party first before making gloating statements about how effective the PN is.
[Moderator – The 5+5 meeting is whatever we choose to make it, which isn’t very much right now.]
Lol @ lemming – At least he didn’t have to wait for ten years to win an election, he won it at his first attempt and from Opposition.
That shows that he is not prime ministerial material. The first and last legislature he captained only lasted 1 year and 10 months (less than half a term) and he lost 3 yes 3 elections after he lost control of his first and LAST government.
How you idiots keep defending AS is astonishing to say the least.
Thanks Moderator for agreeing with me for once! (5+5=talking shop)
[Moderator – I am not agreeing with you, because I see potential in the meeting, whereas it seems you don’t. If the MLP keeps us out of the meeting then to you it will remain a talking shop (even though decisions might be taken that could indirectly affect your life). But if you make something of a meeting, then it will result in something.]
to all Alfred Sant fans, who think that he is “the right leader for the Labour Party”. wish him so and Labour will remain in opposition for many years to come. He is so INTELLIGENT that he can do no better.
Daphne.. lol … Was expecting such response. Moderator didn’t understand my message but I was sure you will.However, Daphne, you should ask to have yours in color. Time for change for the better. Don’t you agree?
The rest of the my message you certainly understood but you refrained from responding. I expected that too.
Corinne Vella … How can you ever mention NATIONAL INTERESTS when the party you die for, demonstrated day after day, week after week, and years after years that partisan interests always were, are and always will be its priority!!
Moderator … I like your sense of humour even though it is very crude. Prepare yourself for the ‘untold’ to be told in the very near future.Do you really believe that the MLP were not aware of such meeting? Why should the MLP disarm itself to lease the PN or its clones? And especiallly when the PN has most of the legal and illegal arsenals! So to please the PN, the MLP should disarm istelf when it is well aware the decietful way its opponent armed itself. I am sure you are not naive but do not expect the MLP to be. What I pointed out to Corinne is food for you too.You make me giggle the way you differ the needs of a goose from that of a gander!
Enough said for the time being.
@Lemming
A “few” mistakes? Yeah right. Alfred Sant made mistake after mistake and refused to acknowledge them. He also makes no apologies.
He also tried to deny Malta and my children EU membership even though the Yes vote won by 20,000 votes (staggering by Maltese standards)
So he won the elections from the opposition? NEWSFLASH – it is MUCH easier to win an election when in opposition.
Also you are right, he didn’t have to wait 10 years to win he had to wait from when he was appointed MLP leader in 92 until the elections in 96. The same as Eddie Fenech Adami, who was appointed PN leader in 77 and won the 81 elections.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
@Lemming – oh come on! Alfred Sant was LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION. He was PRIME MINISTER. I’m using capitals because this system doesn’t allow for the italicising of words for emphasis, but those words can’t be emphasised enough. He wasn’t just any old politician, but one with the power to shape our lives and our destiny. He used his position to try to keep US out of the European Union, deciding for us what’s best for us, deciding that our sons and daughters shouldn’t be permitted freedom of movement throughout Europe, deciding that we didn’t need an EU passport even if we wanted one. Criticism is too good for him. He deserves the modern-day equivalent of being put in the public stocks and pelted with rotten matter.
What is the relevance of his doting on his daughter? Practically every man I know feels the same way. Hitler’s men spent their days gassing, starving and maiming other people’s children, then went home to their own cosy families. I’m not drawing any parallels here – just pointing out that loving your children doesn’t mean you are a normal human being, but only that one particular aspect of your character is ‘normal’.
So you’re telling us that we should forgive Sant his many abominations because he loves his daughter and can hold a conversation? Undisciplined thinking seems to be a marked characteristic of his supporters.
@Lemming – as for Godfrey Grima, he’s an admirer of Sant and has been for many years, and he also backs Joseph Muscat (bingo). I can’t take him seriously when he talks about Maltese politics, because you never know where you are with a person like that. One minute he’s running with the hare, the next he’s with the hounds, but insisting that the hare continues to love him because he’s not really on the side of the hounds.
@Jennifer Attard – you sound a lot like the recently-vanished Peter Muscat. Might I hazard a guess that you are also in the 17 – 21 age group? That would account for your quite obvious lies about the nature of your work, and your naive reasoning and use of language. It’s OK to be young on this blog, but it’s not OK to use your anonymity to lie about yourself. And besides, it’s pointless.
DB, the Constitution stated that a majority of seats and not votes would govern in 1981. That was good enough in 1971 for if the PN had won a majority of seats then, I’m sure it would have governed.
Lemming: What is your objection to ‘talking shops’ that could make a difference to people’s lives? You might live on an island, but you don’t need to behave as though you were one.
And please cut out all this ‘miskin Alfred Sant’ nonsense. It is not Alfred Sant the private person that so many people object to. It is Alfred Sant the self-delusionist politician that sends shivers down people’s spines. No one objects to his existence, his doting on his daughter, his relationship with his book or his enjoying a glass of wine. On the other hand, plenty of people object to him foisting his delusional fantasies on an unsuspecting (and also on a highly suspicious) public. Now please don’t waste your time trying to persuade me that you make sense by trotting out some other rubbish in defence of Alfred Sant. He may be a very nice man in person, but that is no qualification for the role he coveted for most of his life till now and of which he simply won’t let go, preferring to operate it by remote control.
David Buttigieg wrote
So he won the elections from the opposition? NEWSFLASH – it is MUCH easier to win an election when in opposition
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and even here AS failed, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Jennifer Attard: You exaggerate. I did not die for any political party, nor do I plan to ever do so. That sort of hysteria is reserved for supporters of a party for which I never have supported, never having had any sort of reason to do so. Alfred Sant is just one of many of those reasons. The party-before-all approach to politics taken by that party is another of those reasons.
If you’ve any doubt about that being the line of its ‘thinking’ (such as it is), then scroll back through the comments made by your fellow supporters, read throught the reams of news coverage of its ‘policies’ and take a long long walk back through its track record. And now do yourself a favour, will you? Criticism of the MLP is not automatically a defence of the PN. Take that criticism as free advice on the direction the MLP’s much needed reform should take. You seem to be married to the party you vote for. I, on the other hand, am not and never will be. You see? By continually banging on the way you do, you lose the opportunity to persuade me that yours is really the party I should vote for.
Yes, of course I can mention the national interest, and I will do so again. It is working against Malta’s interest to ignore international fora in which relationships may be made or strengthened and in which decisions may be taken that could affect Malta’s future, in the name of contemplating one’s rather unattractive navel.
“Jekk il-poplu Malti ma jkunx wara l-moviment socjalista jien ma nixtiqux il-moviment socjalista li jmexxi dan in-nazzjon.
Ghax jew il-poplu bil-maggoranza kbira tieghu jkun warajna jew ma mmexxux.”
(Mintoff: TVM: 12/12/1981)
@Jennifer Attard – You wrote
How can you ever mention NATIONAL INTERESTS when the party you die for, demonstrated day after day, week after week, and years after years that partisan interests always were, are and always will be its priority!!
Now read this:
“Allura dak li kellu jaghzel il-partit laburista mill-partir nazzjonalista kien proprjament l-ideal li suppost jispirana ikoll, l-ideal li suppost konna qed nahdmu ghalih ilkoll, biex f’Malta vera jkun hawn tmexxija tal-haddiema, mhux tmexxija ta’ nies li kienu qed jirkbu fuqdahar il-haddiem, tmexxija ta’ nies li saru sinjuri minn fuq dahar il-haddiem, tmexxjia ta’ nies illi nqatghu minn mal-poplu, tmexxija ta’ nies li ma jafux x’inhuma l-problemi tal-haddiema.
Jien kont nahdem f’Bank parastatali u l-korruzzjoni u l’affarijiet li rajt b’ghajneja nista’ nghid li qatt ma kont nissoponi.”
(Konfernza generali: 13/10/1989 – Rialto: Wenzu Mintoff )
How ironic, the MLP’s party whip is the same person who put national interest first and accurately pinpointed where the precious oil wells are.
It is hilarious that Malta will not be able to attend this international meeting, especially when one considers on what the voting is about. Undoubtedly that is the way to attract new voters.
Daphne, can we have a new post? There are too many comments to read here.
And could all you EU pen-pushers stop regaling us with tales of reports, staplers, sexy secretaries and fat salaries?
WE ARE NOT BLOODY INTERESTED.
@Lemming
And yet the destruction of Malta himself called it a perverse result!!
Tell me another ….
If you want to start a battle of wits make sure you are armed!
Dear Daphne you guess is miles away and I won’t repeat or throw at you what you delivered. However, I’ll fail you unless I respond to your accusations.
I believe anonymity is essential. It is vital to a healthy society and market. Without the option of anonymity I believe a society would be less than optimal. Indeed I would fight vigorously to keep the option of being anonymous as an essential part of any society. It is both humane and wise.
Anonymity is like a rare earth metal. These rare elements are an absolutely necessary ingredient in keeping a cell alive, but the amount needed is a mere hard-to-measure trace.
Posting anonymously is fine as long as the overall incidents of it remain small in the larger system. But each incident of anonymity depletes commons. Everyone should have the right to being anon, but if everyone exercises that right the commons is diminished.
There’s a dangerous idea circulating that the option of anonymity should exercised liberally, and that it is an ordinary means to privacy. This is like pumping up the levels of heavy metals in your body into to make it stronger.
Privacy can only be won by trust, and trust requires persistent identity, if only pseudo-anonymously. In the end, the more trust, the better.
I believe banning anonymous actions, won’t work for many reasons. I think a better remedy for a balance between too much anonymity and not enough options for it; I know and fully agree that anonymity should be kept to a minimum because it is a claim against the commons.
I know too, that we all have a right to the commons, and we all have an obligation to minimize the exercise of those rights.
I believe a healthy society keeps anonymity as close to zero as possible. We should encourage people to stand up for their words and reserve anonymity for the rare times when it is essential, as in my case.
Daring to present myself in this forum should in the long run keep this forum healthier and not one sided.
NB. Seems I am giving you a lecture on the subject. I am not touchy but your accusations hurts.Please refrain from judging me as you did.
Yes defending national interests…… like the PN founder who was praised by Mussolini as ‘difensore eroico della italianità a Malta’
[Moderator – What does that have to do with anything? As though Gonzi is or was ever part of the irredentist movement, which is now extinct in any case.]
me :: It is evident that your past is your downfall.
Though I thank you at same time, I feel very sorry for you, because you do not realise that your quotes makes my arguments much stronger.
Corinne :: Your last posting consolidated my previous remarks.Just keep in my mind that insisting in erring isn’t human.
For those of you who wish to read Jennifer Attard’s latest post with the paragraphs in the same order as the original, and in its complete context as intended by its real author, Kevin Kelly, try:
http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/01/on_the_option_o.php
Jennifer – perhaps you’ve been “mistaken” for Peter Muscat because your “flash news” post is a copy of a comment on the Times. The comment is signed by Muscat, whoever he might really be.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080520/local/leakage-of-information-poisoned-electoral-process-bartolo
The entry includes some grammar mistakes identical to those of Peter Muscat…
You might not be the same person but your messages come from the same source.
I just think you are making too much out of the 5+5 meeting which is a bit like the UN in Burma – powerless and utterly ineffectual. And something will be done only when politicians who masquerade as foreign ministers and all their staff get down to doing some work and not spend thousands of Euro in taxpayers money buying stuff for their WAG’s.
daphne, I was quoting Godfrey Grima not for any empathy with the person but his quote struck me that’s all as it also seemed to have struck Pierre Portelli who is definitely no admirer of Alfred Sant. I’m just saying that the PN came out with guns blazing against Sant from day 1 as they saw that he was a threat to their hegemonic control of the island. And the same will happen with Joseph Muscat if he is elected leader of the MLP.
The reference to Hitler is in extremely bad taste. And its useless exonerating yourself from comparisons. Once you throw mud, some of it sticks as our pet hate subject only too eloquently said a few decades ago!
And I’m not saying that the 1981 result wasen’t perverse. The 1996 one definitely was and with almost 8000 votes more than the PN, the MLP ended up with one seat. By this election’s (2008) reckoning, the MLP should have had at least three seats as majority (2 quotas and almost a third one not 1580 votes, barely half a quota)
@ Jennifer Attard
“Daring to present myself in this forum should in the long run keep this forum healthier and not one-sided”.
I seriously doubt that. On the rare occasion that I do manage to decipher your muddled syntax, all that is usually left is unsubstantiated generalisations, non-sensical similes and unsound reasoning.
So no, I’m not sure your contributions “keep this forum healthier” – but at least they give us all a good laugh. My secretary thinks so too.
@Jennifer Attard
Please explain yourself better so that we mortals can understand.
@Jennifer Attard
Get yourself a life.
@Jennifer Attard
It is not my past. It is the past of the party YOU adore.
I was a part (although miniscule) of its downfall and as long as anyone of those people is still around I will keep bringing up THEIR arrogant past so that writers like you will not be able to change history.
@Jennifer Attard
Give us more of Kevin Kelly.
@ MikeC
Nice one.
Jennifer Attard’s plagarization puts me in mind of another bravu, he who says “Ghandi Holma” at every opportunity. Yup Joseph Muscat. I wonder if our JA is really a JM.
@Lemming
Spot on, dear chap. When Sant was elected Leader his totally new style took the PN by storm. Finally someone appeared that could sweep the carpet from under their feet, who could make inroads within the “puliti” section of our society. So the guns opened. Merciless and untiring. Already in 1996, Sant’s first election, the PN posters painted a devilish Sant, already the PN concentrated their attack totally on this one man.
And when Sant says that the MLP might be colonised, he is wrong only insofar as timing goes. The MLP is ALREADY infiltrated. How can it be that year after year the PN media knows everything that takes place in the innermost circle of the MLP? Please dont tell me that information is leaked from someone “disgruntled” by Sant. That would be an explanation were that thing to have happened just once, as a fluke. But when it happens all the time consistently for many years…what should one think? Certainly whoever leaks that info has good reason to do so. No member of a political party would harm his own party year after year consistently. What gain would he get from this? No. There is something quite suspiscious going on here.
Jennifer, now I understand why you hate proof reading…hehehe…plagiarism is considered as the worse crime towards human thinking, it kills creativity and development of ideas, you even had the guts to change we for I when copying and pasting Kevin Kelly’s piece, that means that not only you were stealing his ideas but making them yours, how lower can you go??
I agree with you Mark, that Jennifer’s/Peter’s contributions are worthless but quite funny, it kinds of makes me feel better about myself, KEEP IT UP jenny or peet or whoever you are!!
Peter has every right to be a woman and have babies
I am watching Eurovision, yes guys, eurovision, because no matter how bad it is, its actually entertaining in a funny weird sort of way. Terry Wogan thinks so too.
Which is exactly what the situation will be like when Joseph Muscat takes over from his mentor. He’ll be so so entertaining in a funny weird sort of way. Viva Ireland !
Seems like George Abela`s new endorsee is Mary Spiteri. The first was Dom Mintoff!!
If you would like to feel like being in 1970 Malta just click on the following link http://www.georgeabela.info/v3/site.htm
now THAT is Eurovision material !
@Albert Farrugia,
“Finally someone appeared that could sweep the carpet from under their feet, who could make inroads within the “puliti” section of our society”
I know what you mean by “puliti”
You’re serious?? You HONESTLY believe Alfred Sant could pass off as a “pulit”? You really haven’t got a clue have you!
@Jennifer Attard,
You quite obviously were born in the eighties at the earliest which explains your attempts at making a valid argument. Don’t worry dear, we understand!
@ Albert Farrugia and Lemming
I really can’t get over the audacity of Lejber supporters who feel they can bitch and moan about character assassination when the main thrust of the 2008 Labour electoral campaign was focused on bringing unfounded and unproven allegations of corruption against the PN, its members and its alleged sympathisers.
Yes, the PN came out with guns blazing against Sant but that had absolutely nothing to do with a perceived threat to the PN’s ‘hegemonic control’ over the country or with making inroads with the ‘puliti’. The reason the PN rightly levelled criticism at Sant was because he was (and still continues to be) totally incapable of leading his party and this country – the debacle that was the 96-98 Labour government, together with Sant’s contemptible disregard for the will of the electorate in the EU referendum, are ample proof of this. Fortunately the majority of the Maltese electorate has shown itself to be of the same view… on no less than four occasions. Isn’t it time Sant (and his doe-eyed supporters) finally took a hint?
I can’t be compared to the eminent linguist Drrrrrr Licari but from very light parsing of ‘Jennifer Attard’ garbled musings methinks that it is Jo Said…or his clone..
MikeC – Good research!
@Me: You quote: “Jien kont nahdem f’Bank parastatali u l-korruzzjoni u l’affarijiet li rajt b’ghajneja nista’ nghid li qatt ma kont nissoponi.”
(Konfernza generali: 13/10/1989 – Rialto: Wenzu Mintoff )
On another thread there was a big debate going on some days ago about the manner in which Mintoff made it his priority in the early 1970s to seize the banks. Those who sought to justify his actions said, among other things, that he did so because they weren’t being properly run and the interests of depositors had to be safeguarded. My view is that Mintoff knew that to control the economy he first had to control the banks, which were then run like personal piggy-banks, with unsecured loans given to party favourites and bad debts running up into the many millions. Thank you for reminding me of these words of Wenzu Mintoff’s; in any case, he only has his precious uncle to blame for the banks’ descent into corruption. Nobody owned them, so they were there to be plundered.
@MikeC – so Jennifer Attard is a plagiarist. No wonder this particular post had hardly any spelling mistakes.
@No one in particular: is there a normal person out there who can defend Alfred Sant, or would that be a contradiction in terms?
I’m taking the liberty of diverging from the “discussion” here, and am reproducing a comment put under the “All over bar the shouting” blog. Please take the time to read it, especially the closing sentence.
Thank you.
“Michael Vella Wednesday, 21 May 0031hrs
@Alfred Mifsud: To your statement “…What I can say however is that the senior bankers from Barclays, the eminence grise of Maltese banking at the time, who were called in to investigate the true state of affairs of NBM after the Council of Admin was set up all reported what a disaster the bank was in. In their opinion at the time the Bank was not only illiquid but insolvent.”
So, with the alleged illiquidity and insolvency of NBM, under what motivation did the (UK) Midland Bank declare itself ready to pitch in with a suitable loan to enable NBM to ride out the uncalled for run triggered by Mintoff – even while the Central Bank was considering it proper to fail in its primary function and concentrating on looking the other way? and why did Mintoff, who you say was so concerned in assuring security of depositors, consider it opportune to block that inter-bank transaction that would have immediately defused the artificially-generated crisis?
What with closely rubbing shoulders with senior bankers at Barclays our 22-year old AM must surely have been fully conversant with ongoing inter-bank support between Barclays and NBM to iron out possibly adverse effects of the above-normal withdrawals/demands that are occasionally prone to occur?
Mintoff and his cabinet cronies, and those all the way down to the most minor party officials spent a very great part of the 70’s and early 80’s citing Mintoff’s achievements in setting up Sea Malta, Air Malta, Bank of Valletta, Mid-Med Bank. Truth is, Mintoff had simply taken over stable and well-established businesses at gun-point by resorting to dubious measures [or as that other Alfred said recently, by using his ‘power of incumbency’]. Of these:
Sea Malta never managed to attain viability, even after other established shipping lines that had served Malta well had been compelled to cease such services.
ditto Air Malta. Its predecessor Malta Airways, and upon whose ground equipment and infrastructure forcibly taken over by Labour government Air Malta was founded, had had its operating licence terminated precisely at the time when it had bought options on 3 of the then newly introduced Trident aircraft and the cancellation of which purchase involved Malta Airways in a significant financial loss. In its stead, Air Malta trundled in with obsolescent, fuel-guzzling, Boeings for which Air Pakistan had no further use.
Mid-Med Bank – based on the assets and goodwill of Barclays DCO who had been subjected by Labour government to an offer that one cannot refuse – had, as one of its main functions, acted as a channel for funnelling millions of Malta Liri from depositor funds to keep the Dockyard and other government-hatched lame ducks artificially alive. As AM must be well aware, these worthless loans were not taken over by HSBC and Maltese tax-payers have had to make good for these wasted funds that,including unpaid PAYE and NI dues converted to ‘loans’ at tax-payer expense, in the case of Drydocks alone account for some Lm300,000,000 or 30% odd of the national debt.
One other significant use of all the above was as a repository for the vote-catching thousands of non-jobs created by the Labour government in the lead-up to the 1987 general election – and the financial consequences of which still burden the tax-payer.
Bank of Valletta, based on the ‘illiquid and insolvent’ NBM, in contrast, rapidly progressed and sustained profitability, even despite periods of mis-management already referred to in other related posts. For, in truth, NBM insolvency was only a fiction drawn up to justify Mintoffian whims.
The accounts as drawn up in the aftermath of the Mintoff- triggered run on the bank used some very odd accounting practices, e.g. the bank head office at Republic Street, was valued at its initial £(Lm) 11,000 purchase price as a bomb site in the late 40’s, then depreciated over 25 years with no cognisance whatsoever of the building eventually erected on the site – this at a time when a one-room shop a few metres away was leased out at a premium of Lm11,000 over and above a substantial daily rental. This strange form of asset valuation would have been used for the many branch offices owned by NBM island-wide. So far as is known those initial accounts were never subjected to a proper and in-depth audit.
What is never refered to is the number of businesses and valuable jobs in the private sector that were lost as as result of the forcible take-over of the NBM, and the many lives that were ruined in the process.
Twenty years on [since 1987] we tax-payers are still footing the bill for the consequences of Mintoff’s blinkered and luddite ideology, and of the incompetence of his period of governance and those of his chosen successor KMB, …and so will the next two or three generations down the line.
Yes, indeed, Malta has a lot to thank Mintoff and his contemporary parliamentary cronies for.
Meanwhile, government has an ongoing obligation to make good to NBM shareholders for the abuse they have been subjected to and to restitute the financial losses they endured by paying out a sum equivalent to a true and fair assessment of the asset value at time of NBM takeover with accrued interest at appropriate rate.
By continually dodging fair settlement of the NBM issue, government is effectively aligning itself with the abuses of the past.”
For those too young to remember, NBM in the above post refers to the National Bank of Malta. (And AM is Alfred Mifsud, not myself!)
@ Amanda – I don`t want to disillusion you, but I refuse to believe that anyone with an ounce of sense or more than a very basic education doesn`t know what you wrote is the reality we are living with.
Some have more literary skills than others to defend the bad old years but they will never convince those who lived through those days that you can just forgive and forget and accept AS as the new salvatur.
It seems we have to carry the mistakes MLP make for generations.
For crying out loud Daphne, where did some of these people
learn their english?! Don’t they know that “less is more”
and that most of us don’t know what they’re talking about
marika mifsud – I think that you’ve misinterpreted me somewhere along the line. Just because one disagrees with Labour policies and tactics and always votes against Labour (as I have done so far), does not mean that one cannot criticize PN if they too are in the wrong.
David Buttigieg – For Albert Farugia to think of Alfred Sant as a “pulit” just goes to show his own background. The only people who would consider him as such would be people who are easily impressed by “Harrrrrvarrrrd” – people of Sant’s own background.
cikki – If your comment is in reply to the longish one I posted above (amongst others), people who experienced such times personally, as my father has done, would know what it is about. Sometimes more than a few words are needed to describe a situation to people who consider themselves more knowledgeable than others on certain subjects. The comment by my father (Michael Vella) was in reply to Alfred Mifsud’s comment in “All over bar the shouting”.) Incidentally, your “english” (English) needs a little bit of brushing up, you know.
Mike & me:: Here is a little script I found on my desk this morning.You can both chew for different reasons.
“The ‘Nationalist’ Party, which took Malta into the European Union “to protect democracy”, as it so often told us when it suited it, is in fact undermining democracy. Using subtly undemocratic, disgraceful tactics to hang on to power, no matter what the cost.
The ‘Nationalist’ Party’s has a lust for power which needs to be curbed. It is a dangerous lust leading on to a dangerous road. And it is only the ‘Nationalist’ Party which can halt the slither into that danger. Others can only defend democracy. It is the ‘Nationalist’ Party that is defying democracy. The ‘Stop’ sign is for it to observe.”
Since you both hurle at me all I might deserve or not deserve would you be so kind to quote for me the outbursts of EFA ( village doctor hux hekk Daphne?!) prior to the 1987 General Elections re’ the ultra famous POLITICAL MURDER?!!Or maybe the ‘Terrinu Incredible Renegade’! I be much obliged.
Mike C :: You missed something … ha ha ha. K.K.,who is my “favourite mind” is a daily contributor to a much interesting site than that you copied and pasted!
To the rest except Daphne :: The nice accusations you hurle at me I accept gladly! What surprises me is the fact that you are missing ‘something much more important’ then that.
The riddle is more complicated then you can ever imagine.
In my next response to our dear Daphne I swear I would give her enough clues to help solve the riddle.
[Moderator – What are you on about?]
Daphne – You said “Nobody owned them, so they were there to be plundered” about the private banks forcibly taken over by Mintoff in the 1970s.
Well, it looks like history may be repeating itself, albeit in a lesser, though better-disguised way:
“BOV News Details
BOV supports EMCS Real Estate Seminar 16/05/2008
Bank of Valletta is supporting the second edition of “Real Estate – Opportunities and Challenges for the Future”, a forum organised by the EMCS that will be held on 4th June 2008 at Hilton Malta. The Forum appeals to a wide range of specialists in the real estate sector and to those persons who want to contribute to the success of this industry.
The Bank’s sponsorship was presented by Alfred Attard, Executive Head at Bank of Valletta’s Corporate Centre to Dr. John C Grech, Chairman of EMCS.”
(Extracted from “BOV News” on th eBOV website just now.)
Let us not forget that “Dr” (yes, another one of those) John (superflous “C.”) Grech was a BOV chairman in the not-too-distant past.
“Jennifer Attard” – “Then”? Surely you meant “than”? You’re letting yourself down.
Dear Daphne :: Here is some food for thought you very well might understand. Others might not!
Would you be surprised if I tell you that I lived the ‘era’ you can never forget and you write so much about?!
Would you be surprised that during that ‘era’ my best friend ( still is ) was Pete B.O.and that I was loved by his dad ( GOD BLESS HIM ALWAYS) as his own?
Would you be more surprised if I tell you that I am a close friend and mate of the ‘linguistic profs’ you chose to ‘attack’even personally?
Would you be surprised if I tell you that I know PERSONALLY ALL the political figures that are here glorifed or condemned in this forum?!
Finally I thank you for responding to my private mail some 6 months ago even though you didn’t accept my offer!
@Jennifer Attard
I did’nt find it on my desk…..
I read that on maltastar.com yesterday.
Do you think that I don’t keep abreast of what’s going on@
There is nothing to chew. It is just the type of tripe
and stupidity one comes to expect from that site and its obsevers..
Oh My! Mary Spiteri of the “Titanic Fame”. really great endorsement
@Jennifer Attard
Explain to us how being legitimately elected into government three times in succession can be construed as ‘undermining democracy’. I may be giving you too much credit here, but surely even your confused mind might notice a contradiction in terms.
Your sweeping generalisations, unsubstantiated by any proper facts, are beginning to get tiresome. And although a lot of your comments are so risible that they merit a good chuckle, the humorous side of your ramblings is beginning to wear thin.
So how about you either put up some real examples to back up what it is you are trying to say… or else shut up, and spare us your prattle?
me :: So much spite and hate in your comments frightens me! One can prove his/her point in various manners but not in such a manner.
Everyone has a right to express his/her thoughts or whatever he/she believes in. One can agree or disagree but it is never right to throw whatever is such a manner. I have all respect towards you and towards all those who disagree with me and I try my best not to offend anyone.
There is always someting to chew even in most negative comments or criticism. I try to be positive even in a most negative surroundings because there is always something that I can learn from.
Running away from the truth won’t solve anything and I be poor if I say that the MLP or the PN never did any good.
Anyway I am betting that Morena would be on the podium!
With reference to the John C Grech/BOV/ECMS issue, there is nothing intrinsically wrong in accepting sponsorships from banks. What I don’t like about JCG is his constant sucking up to the PN as when he appeared alongside GonziON on PP’s ‘Bil-Fatti’ touting the great successes of the economy. We all know he’s partisan anyway.
Mark :: Do I had to prove to you what is known by all?
Just one simple example: A friend of the family and his wife who emigrated and made his fortune in USA IN THE EARLY SIXTIES voted in last general Election.His home is of course mighty USA. He visits our Wonderful Country every 2 or 3 years.
As per our constitution our friend and his wife HAVE NO RIGHT to vote.But whatever you say or I say the fact remains that both did . I know very well how both managed to have to get the right to vote.
Thanks Mark for giving me the space to post this. Now it is for you to judge.
Jennifer Attard – It is NOT “Mark” who is “giving you the space to post” your comment – Daphne is the host here. (Oh, and you still need to work on your English.)
@Jennifer Attard
Spite and hate have nothing to do with it. I appreciate the light moments your writing conjures, even when it is difficult to understand your point and riddles.
You tried to impress me by pointing to what you found on your desk this morning. As it happened I had already read it, but yesterday. It is nothing new and nothing to break my bones on. Everyone knows the type of trash one finds on that site. I can even make an educated guess as to who ‘observer’ is from the style of writing, which makes it more trash then trash.
Yes you are right everyone has the right to express his/her thoughts. I was many a time in the midst of the fight so that everyone, and that includes you, gets that right.
If by what you wrote to Daphne you were around in those days, what was your part during those dark days?
You state that there is always something one can learn from, and I agree, totally. As a matter of fact I have learned the hard way never to trust any of the old faces that the mlp is pushing to the front. That is a good lesson I humbly suggest that even you learn, not from my writings, but by doing some research on you own. Not to convince me or anyone for that matter, but to convince yourself that the type of socialism as was practiced by Mintoff and his gang, some of whom are still around, did a lot of harm to the nation and many generations who could have directed their energies into something more fruitful for themselves, their families and their country.
You say that I am running from the truth. Nothing is so far from my beliefs. I have always substantiated my writing with speaker, occasion and date.
If that is running away from the truth then please advise.
@Jennifer Attard
As per your last post. Do not give us examples. Do not fly kites. Give us facts.
If you have information of this type, forward it to the authorities. The police even have, as per your earlier post, an anonymous phone number. Everyone on this blog will be behind you, and that includes me.
@Jennifer Attard
What exactly is “known by all”? And who is it meant to be known by? You and the other muppets who swallow hook, line and sinker the tripe that Sant, Bartolo and co. dish out?
Again, if you have something to say, substantiate it. You do not prove a point by relying on hearsay and a wild assumption that “everyone” recognises the truth in what you are saying. Neither do you prove a point by relying on anecdotes such as the one concerning your family friend.
I live abroad, and of all the Maltese who live in my area and went to Malta to vote (and there were a number of them) the overwhelming majority were Laburisti. If I were to use your warped logic, then this anecdote proves that the PN won the last elections in spite of (not because of) the “Maltese of Abroad” contingent.
As for giving you the space to post your drivel, I’m not sure you can thank me for that – that honour should surely go to DCG and Moderator who clearly are far more tolerant of your nonsense.
@Jennifer Attard
So does the fact that I didn’t spend time looking around for all the places Kevin Kelly writes somehow lessen your dishonesty?
I’m amazed that notwithstanding that you have been exposed as a cheat your attitude is that rather than apologising, you in fact believe you were doing something clever. On the other hand, considering that you support the MLP, I’m not surprised. That is exactly the kind of MLP/Mintoff legacy we have to suffer today. It also fits in with the ‘I’ll get every free lunch I can’ mentality.
Now I could sit down and write a piece about plaigarism and why it is wrong. But I don’t have the time, and it is obvious that you are so far away from being able to string together a logical, reasoned, coherent argument backed by evidence in any language that it really isn’t worth the bother. (Incidentally, thats why I looked it up, your post was too close to being coherent to be written by you)
So I’m going to have to point you to another website, but unlike you I’m not about to claim that its something I’ve written myself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
And here’s another one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deception
and another one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_dishonesty
And finally, I’m really not surprised you need a ‘favourite mind’…… :)
@me
Sorry, but I will not be behind anyone advocating voter disenfranchisement. It is a shameful practice and Labour has finally been shamed into dropping the practice at which it was most efficient. Both parties are now quitely ignoring that part of our electoral law, which kind of nullifies Jennifer’s argument anyway. We should be discussing postal ballots and embassy voting, not the other way round.
@Jennifer Attard
We have already had the debate about overseas voting, and repeating the same mantra over and over again does not make it more valid. See:
http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/?p=406
http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/?p=407#comment-12135
@MikeC
My point is that if there is proof of illegality, it should be reported and there is an anonymous way to report it.
As for postal ballots and embassy voting I agree with you, as I have relatives who spend more time in Malta than abroad but cannot vote due to the ‘interrupted presence’ clause.
@Jennifer Attard – I’m beginning to suspect that Meerkat is right, and that you’re Jo Said – especially now that you claim you were around in the 1960s and stuck around with Peter Borg Olivier. Then there’s the crazy adolescent writing (and thinking) and the obsession with corruption and the evils of this government…oh well, just carry on.
As for your friend who brought his family all the way from the USA where they live, so as to vote (Nationalist, I assume from your tone), what you should be asking yourself is what drives people to do this, and to spend so much money doing it. You don’t benefit from cheap Air Malta tickets when you’re flying from America. The answer is: concern for Malta, and not love for the Nationalist Party.
Instead of gossiping about the MLP delegates, Alfed Sant and everyone else in the Labour Party, why don’t you give Gonzi a hand in trying to find a way out of the recession we are about to plunge into in the coming months because he seems to be going crazy…..
Perhaps you can suggest a sort of new tax on consumption of electricity so that he might collect more revenue…oh sorry i forgot he’s about to do that in Summer if I’m not mistaken..a rising surcharge :)
Or just tell him to skip those income tax cuts he promised over and over again BEFORE the election…oh i forgot once again…he just said he’s not going to implement that policy…
Nothing nicer than a shower of taxes and less money to spend and of course an electorate that was deceived to :)
But why?!?!….oh yes i forgot once again, the price of oil is rising
[Moderator – How do you expect the government to subsidise the purchase of oil, if not by collecting money? By borrowing more, maybe?]
@m – nobody’s predicting a recession, and there are no signs of one, but rather the opposite. The indications are that we will ride out the worsening international situation. Talk to some employers – you’ll find out that one of the biggest problems they have right now is finding staff. The Maltese economy is actually quite buoyant. Restaurants are full, planes are packed, the roads are bumper-to-bumper with new cars, the clothes shops are raided when the new stock comes in and advertising – one sector I can really tell you about – is booming. Begin to worry about a recession when you see the advertising disappearing from newspapers and magazines. That’s one of the first warning signs. Right now, the opposite is happening.
I can’t understand your reasoning, though. You are obviously somebody who voted for Alfred Sant to become prime minister, bearing in mind that Alfred Sant promised to slash the electricity surcharge even if the price of oil shot up by 10 times as much. How would he have done this if not by taxing us – taking money from one of our pockets and putting it in another, losing lots along the way?
To Daphne & and the rest who emptied their arsenals in my direction!
1.Our constitution says very clearly who is and who is not eligible to vote.On the other hand that are our Parliament ‘repealed’ certain laws that ‘opened’ the fron door to many political abuses on the matter.
2. It is evident that most of you have no idea how our electoral system works.
3. I gave a practical example of someone who abused the above system.
4. The ‘tools’ that used to guard against such abuses were done away with ( Must I be more clear?!)
5. Deleting such abuses from the electoral register is very very difficult if not impossible. ( I know why! Anyone quite familiar should understand clearly what I am saying!) Joe Saliba on one side and L. Gatt on the opposite side can explain what you lot cannot understand.
6. Whoever runs the country should put National Interests above all interests.But with great regret I accuse the previous administration of putting partisan interests as first and foremost in this highly sensitive matter..( Imagine if it was Mintoff and his gang that are responsible for this!!)
7. The MLP or AD or whoever had no way open to stop such abuses.
8. Taking someone to court about such abuse is ‘futile’, unless the accused himself choose to take the witness stand himself/herself.The accused’s ‘rights’ would protect him in court.
9.The only option left is that a near relative of an accused chooses to take the witness stand.(Can’t imagine myself of taking the stand against my dad or my mum or my brother or sis.)
10. Such abbuses were rampant during our last general election. It is much more serious then voting MLP or NP.
IS THIS THE KIND OF DEMOCRACY WE DESERVE?!
Mcomb – “Accepting” (asking for, imposing maybe?) “sponsorship” from the bank at which one was previously chairman, and for a seminar at which the attendees are expected to pay a fee of 142 euros somehow doesn’t quite sound right to me.
So Jo Said may be “parading” (virtually of course) under a female guise? What is it with these long-grey-haired men?
@ Amanda Mallia
I wasn’t writing about you! There’s nothing wrong with
your English and everything you write makes sense.
It’s people who try and put every “difficult” word they’ve
ever learnt into every sentence I’m talking about.
I do apologise for the small”e” – put it down to
laziness.
@Jennifer Attard/Jo Said – we’re in the EU, remember? And Schengen? Moving in and out of Malta (as long as you stick to Europe) is like getting on and off a bus. There is nothing to indicate whether you have left the country or returned – it’s called freedom of movement. Most of us don’t use a passport anymore, because our ID card serves the purpose and fits in our wallet. The Constitution was written for another time – like the bit that lays down what our religion is. What do you plan to do now, put tracking and monitoring devices on people to see whether they’ve been here for six months? Everyone who is a Maltese citizen should be able to vote – wherever they live. If they can be bothered, we should be grateful. Other countries have to persuade people to work up enough interest to vote, and here you are, trying to work out ways to stop people voting. In any case, why are you so sure that the ‘overseas’ voters will all vote PN? Most of the emigranti in Australia started out as Laburisti, and I don’t think anything has changed, given that they still cling to their feasts, their language, and their pastizzi.
@Jennifer Attard
You seem fixated with preventing people from voting. Is that the only way you see the Labour party ever winning an election again? Simply by preventing as many people as possible from voting?
And stop quoting documents and regulations you have clearly never read.
The only things that were changed are that like most democracies, we no longer force our own citizens to fill in a form and have a passport stamped when they leave/enter the country. Everything else that has any impact on our voting rolls has remained exactly the same. All the ‘tools’ that were there are still there.
Absolutely nothing has changed in the regulations since quite a while before the 2003 referendum, but the Labour party has been shamed into refraining from disenfranchising people since then. (Reinforced by a sentence of our constitutional court and the negative publicity resulting from its actions)
If it believed it was right and just (as you seem to believe) nothing was stopping it from continuing to do it just as it did before the 2003 referendum and election. What has changed is that the MLP has realised that it has enough of an image as an anti-democratic institution and knows that if it continues this practice it will only serve to increase that image at the cost of even more votes.
And yet you continue to support a position that has been discredited even within the Labour party.
Wait for it, any minute now some other misguided labour supporter is going to suggest that you’re a nationalist supporter planted here, pretending to be a labour supporter to make the MLP look ridiculous.
As if it needs any more help with that particular achievment…. :)
@Jennifer Attard
As I told you before…………
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but you are abusing the privilege.
Why does this Jennifer Attard think its such a good idea to stop people voting and then scream about threats to democracy.
Really she/he/it is getting very irritating. Well past her /his/its read by date.
The current electoral laws are ridiculous. The problem is not that people areabusing the system it is the system that is abusing people by trying to deny them rights for bureaucratic purposes. (something which only suits (some)politicians.)
The sign of true democracy is that we let people like Jennifer vote in the first place. And no, jenny, i’m not being spiteful or hateful, just rude and disrespectful. In my old age i find i find it very difficult to suffer fools gladly.
So the Maltese economy is booming isnt it? Sure with the money pumped into it by the government. Now confirmed by NSO. What’s the PN without the “feel good factor”. It could not face an election without it.
Let’s talk after summer.
Why do MLP elves like Albert Farrugia take such delight at the prospect that the country might be in for stormy weather? Not that this is necessarily going to be the case, but they just love the idea that there might be trouble on the horizon.
[Moderator – Schadenfreude?]
@Albert Farrugia
What would you prefer? That the government syphon money out of the economy (a la Mintoff)?
@Albert Farrugia
No the economy is not booming.
We are working on 3 or 4 day week. We are given time off in lieu instead of overtime payment. When we go abroad we can only take Lm 200 and that includes the air ticket. Importation, including food stuffs, is down to the minimum. To buy a car (one type of car) one must wait six months. White goods especially colour tv’s and video recorders are banned. Lighting and water are rationed. New telephone lines are non-existent. Businesses are closing down………………..
No the economy is not booming.
How come that now we are accepting the word of the NSO ?
Please do not go till after summer. Someone has to make some sort of company to Jennifer Attard.
It’s because when governemnt pumps money into the economy…and the NSO has confirmed this last week…it’s obvious that the result is an apparent boom. And feel-good factor. But that is like the pleasure you get when eating junk food. It has nothing to do with free market economics. Its just communism (state spending), writ differently.
[Moderator – You’re mistaken in thinking that government spending is ‘communism’. Communism is Malta under Mintoff, when the state owned all sources of capital, a situation which is the definition of communism. Governments have been expanding or contracting their spending to deal with unemployment and inflation ever since the Great Depression. And it’s not an ‘apparent boom’ – there isn’t such a thing because booms are booms and busts are busts, full stop.]
Been catching up with the posts.
@Jennifer Attard – absolutely barking! I’ve haven’t laughed this hard in a long time! Are you for real?
Meerkat / Daph / MikeC – I’ve got another theory:
Maybe it’s Gerald, not Jo! Remember him?
@Amanda
Nah, even gerald made more sense….
@ Amanda Mallia
Who can ever forget GerAld, the little dear? But I don’t think it’s Gerald, at least his English isn’t dire…
If it’s not Jo Said it’s my other admirer The Brain Henceforth (LOL).. (the other one being amrio of course. Tee hee)
@Meerkat
…even though I’m unusually quiet these past few days, been suffering from some dire backside problems (don’t smirk – ghandi nerv maqrus..), I am still following this blog assiduously. Glad you still think highly of me…
As for Jennifer, it’s not fair everyone is picking on her… you are not leaving anything for me to flog with…!!
@ amrio
I didn’t think you were so talented…typing with your backside.
Your talent is legion
To Daphne and all the pack:
It is much easier to reverse all you thrown at me, but most of you deserve much more. Most of the regulars in this forum help to understand the great tragedy we live in. The biased behaviour of most regulars hinders fairness and intelligence. Impartiality is not in their dictionary. No other tracks exist for them except the one they glimpse at. They are safe made clones.
It is very evident why most contributors never made it as leaders. They are led by others’ actions. Others are victims of most negative feelings and the return to reality is impossible.
I said some days ago that I be a wrong to deny that the ‘good’ that both the PN and MLP delivered (in different words). But I won’t be fair if I fail to mention the ‘negative patches (to be mild) of both parties. Both preaches a lot but deliver very little of what they preach.
I give a very practical example. Both preach RECONCILATION! How nice it would be!
But that can never be unless BOTH parties PUBLICLY apologises for their behaviour: a behaviour that hurt so many political opponents in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s the 90s etc.
When both parties do that, then they can sit down and change our political and electoral systems that are outdated.
NB. This morning I didn’t wear my bullet proof vest! lol
[Moderator – Did you use the Maltese-to-Bombastic online translator?]
Moderator :: actually I used tal-PEPE translator’ which I borrowed from a friend of mine at Kappara Rd! Understand??!!
@Jennifer Attard,
can you list some of the things PN have to apologise for please? I have one huge list of labour wrongs if you like ..
Political violence
Moral violence
Closing my school
Murders in police depots
Institutionalised corruption
Class hatred
Denying me a simple chocolate and instead trying to ram vile imitations down our throats (Not to mention pasta, toothpaste etc)
etc etc etc
David Buttigieg – I can add to your list, though they would probably also fall under your “moral violence” category:
forcibly taking over the privately-owned National Bank of Malta
ditto Malta Airlines
Dave & Amanda :: I can very well add to your list and at same time furnish you with a larger list that the PN should aplogise for.
David please note that all the list you furnished us with ( and much more ) can very well attributed to the PN.
I agree with you that ‘ a bar of MARS’ is much more important then having your own house or plot of land!Yes indeed the ‘Lejber” Admistrations should have had ” bars of Mars” as a priority rather then housing projects.
Finally please remember that nearly a decade has elapsed and the ‘Terrinu” relatives are still waiting for an apology from the PN.
Do you have an idea what happened to the shiploads of Maltese kids that were transported to Perth, W. Australia?
When both parties accept full responsabilities for their negative behaviour and publicly apologise for such behaviour, then the future would be much brighter and enjoyable for all.
[Moderator – Social housing and a free market economy are not mutually exclusive.]
@ Jennifer
It is much easier to reverse all you thrown at me, but most of you deserve much more. Most of the regulars in this forum help to understand the great tragedy we live in. The biased behaviour of most regulars hinders fairness and intelligence. Impartiality is not in their dictionary.
I would think that not even English words are in yours…..but at least you bring a slight smile to my face after a day’s work. Still don’t know if it’s a pitying smile or a head banging against the monitor smile.
@Meerkat
Re: your comment http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/?p=415#comment-13265
Don’t be daft, dear! I don’t write with my backside (only think from there sometimes.. yes I know, a very poor translation from Maltese…) but I sit on it… so I couldn’t sit down in front of the PC for too long.
Aaaaaargh!!!!
Just finished watching il-Murena’s do at the Eurovision. Can anyone enlighten me as to what language she ‘sang’ in? Was that Gozitan?
At least, not to be too damning in my words, she is quite kind to the eyes (very kind…)
Promise that if she passes to the finals I’ll post a nude picture of myself in this blog.
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@ amrio
guess I missed on a nude pic of your mahoosive bum (hehehe, I’m imagining it’s huge cos maybe you got kicked in the butt by ‘Jennifer Attard’ and her ilk)since Vodka didn’t qualify…
I guess I’ll live.
Jennifer Attard – If there is anything that the PN has to apologise for, it is nowhere near the atrocities and injustices carried out / committed by the MLP (sometimes directly by “the man” himself).
Since 1987, we’ve seen the “future” brighter than ever before, and I’m not saying this to put the PN on a pedestal, but simply because I know what it was like to have spent most of my childhood and youth under Labour. Yes, Jennifer Attard – “Allahares jitla’ l-Labour!”
amrio – Please stop being descriptive. Thank you.
Amanda :: bet you missed the ‘bars of mars’ in your childhoood!You should thank God that you weren’t one of those who ‘found their fortune in W.Australia’!
But of course creatures like you can never ever accept the truth. You are too damn biased to see ‘ a masterpiece’ as one should. Your lights, shadows and perspectives are different from the real ones.
Finally : VODKA … I wonder why we participate under such voting conditions!
Amanda please note that various attempts to ‘frame’ il tal-Lejber for the murder of Raymond Caruana failed!
Have you ever wondered why? After more then 20 years Raymond is still turning in his grave and crying for justice.Do you still believe li tal lejber qatluh?
The above is just one of the many ………
@Jennifer Attard
We do not have to wonder why. We know why.
If you read previous entries in the past posts you will find that a few days after the change of government in 1987, the marmalja laburista attacked the law courts. Main items missing from the magistrates private chamber (it was the only chamber attacked) after the attack were the weapon used and the magistrates’ inquiry. Shortly later, the large steel gates at the entrance of the courts were installed.
You are going out of your way to prove that the main building block of life is stupidity.
@Jennifer Attard
You seem to know a lot…..
Why don’t you give us the story of the late il-fussellu, the late Patrick Holland, the late Lorry Sant and the Sliema Magic Kiosk?
Jennifer Attard – Oh yes, the PN went ahead and killed “one of their own” simply for “Labour” to be framed. Pull the other one! You’re the one who’s biased. I am one who has seen/experienced several things first hand, and don’t need to have anybody else convince me otherwise. Here are a few choice examples:
Seeing KMB parading on the dockyard trucks signing autographs and handing out roses, fresh from the “workers” smashing up the Law Courts. (I worked in Sta Lucia Street at the time.) I will never forget the terrifying sight and sounds of the men with their dockyard tools and chains.
Having a full, large glass bottle of Optrex thrown up through a closed balcony window directly at myself and my three sisters (all young children at the time) by a “pack” (as you seem to like the word) of Labour “revellers” led by none other than il-Fusellu.
Seeing my eldest sister arrested for over 24 hours in the early ’80s for attending a protest at the time of the Church schools crisis.
Seeing a friend arrested for several hours around the same time too, under some paltry pretext, simply because he was an active member of the then ASSP (private school students’ association). It was the norm at the time to expect not to see the person in the same state again after arrest.
Being locked out of our schools for at least two months; my parents having to “convert” as many areas of our home as possible into makeshift “classrooms” for lessons to carry on uninterrupted.
Having Mintoff subject my late grandfather and others to intimidation to forcibly take over the National Bank of Malta. (I may have been very young at the time, but believe me, I do recall the goings on.)
Seeing my father arrested under the pretext that (as a then importer of pharmaceuticals) he had increased the RETAIL price of a cough medicine by a mere 2 or 3 MILS. (Yes, the retail price, not the wholesale one – simply to make life easier for the retailers, by rounding off the price to the next 1c, I believe.)
And what about all those “quotas” imposed and import licences denied unless one was ready to bribe certain people (which of course my father refused to do)?
Oh, and the persistent water cuts in Sliema! How could I have forgotten those? When they were coupled with power cuts, it got even worse!
Having our VW Combi and most of our belongings stripped down (for what must have been several hours) on our return from an overland trip to Italy in 1976, despite the fact that it was late at night, and my youngest sister (then aged 5) was in dire need of stitches to her head after having an accident immediately prior to embarking in Syracuse. Needless to say, she was not allowed to leave for hospital, and it was too late to have the stitches put in. Our crime? None. Maybe we just had the “wrong” connections in Labour’s eyes.
I could go on, but I guess you’ve got the gist of it.
Yes, Jennifer, chocolate was something we were denied, too, but believe me – the lack of it was nothing when compared to everything else Mintoff and his cronies put us through.
@Jennifer,
Must you go out of your way to prove your ignorance?
I quote
“I agree with you that ‘ a bar of MARS’ is much more important then having your own house or plot of land!Yes indeed the ‘Lejber” Admistrations should have had ” bars of Mars” as a priority rather then housing projects.”
Remember it was the labour government who removed them in the first place and then did not allow them in. What have they got to do with housing project? Can’t we have one without the other?
I quote “I can very well add to your list and at same time furnish you with a larger list that the PN should aplogise for.”
Go ahead! What’s stopping you?
I quote:
“David please note that all the list you furnished us with ( and much more ) can very well attributed to the PN.”
Could we have examples of PN violence, denying children their education, police commissioners murdering people under PN, or anything else on my list?
Seriously, could we? Ofcourse not!
@jennifer ‘my name is legion, for we are many’ attard
Yes, the MLP killed Raymond Caruana by fostering the atmosphere of violence and intimidation that prevailed at the time. Did the man who fired the gun, intend to kill him or was it just another intimidatory act, such as the one where the same weapon was used to fire at the Tarxien PN club, only this one went wrong? We’ll never know, but the MLP is indirectly responsible for that death and others.
And now enough with the Raymond Caruana story. You are insulting the man’s memory. Stop inventing rubbish and trying to sound mysterious as if you ‘know’ something.
We have had this debate before, when you where calling yourself something else.
Go read the official compilation of evidence. You can find a good synopsis of it in a book called liberta’ mheddha.
You will also find the name of the man who built the murder weapon, who he sold it to, who HE sold it to, when it was used to fire at the tarxien PN club, and who the evidence points to having it last.
In fact, there was enough evidence for the court to recommend his being charged with the murder. Then he died. Simple as that. You cannot have a posthumous trial. No mysteries. Now you can turn that into some kind of consipiracy if you want, but anyone who lives in the real world knows you’re talking rubbish most of the time.
You change your name every time the evidence and facts people face you with nullify your argument. Writing the same rubbish AGAIN, with a different mame doesn’t strengthen your argument. Plaigarism doesn’t help you either.
I’m also undecided as to whether you’re completely ignorant or a deliberate liar, and in view of your plagiaristic habits and general dishonesty, I’m leaning towards the latter. The child migrants scheme which you are referring to was a scheme run by the british government and the catholic church in a period when we were still a colony (mainly the 50’s) and no maltese government of either party has any direct responsibility for it. It was a bad mistake and called alot of pain, trauma and sorrow, but has nothing to do with the maltese political scene of the 70’s and 80’s and dragging them into that is an insult to the victims too.
@ Jennifer
Stop rewriting history please! I lived through the terror. At Rabat we had tear gas and at zejtun bullets, I should know I was there. Talking about mars bars someone (i won’t mention dead peoples names) who had friends in high places was allowed to bring the chocolate bars to malta, with no trouble at all. Then when the bars were distributed to shops etc. the police were sent in search of the offending chocolates. Musn’t have the Maltese gorge themselves on chocolate! You don’t need a degree to guess who was charged for possessing and selling mars bars at 30c a bar, which was rather expensive at the time.
What about the housing authority. Places were requisitioned, and given to labour supporters or relatives of ministers, for some miserly yearly rent. The owners got peanuts. One can easily have a social conscience when giving out other peoples property.
In today’s TMI, Josanne Cassar reminds us of another example of similar words with different meanings in Maltese and English: ‘pretend’ and ippretenda’.
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