Again, for shame
We're so progressive our children have ended up raping adults.
This comment is posted beneath the timesofmalta.com report this afternoon of a 58-year-old man (in Gozo) who was arrested and arraigned for sodomising, last Sunday, an 11-year-old boy and using violence on him.
t. borg
Let’s hear the facts first then one can speak. Maybe all was consensual. Parents should not allow their children alone on the internet as pornography is turning them to start experiencing in sex very early. Some adults are weak and easily fall for it.
Apparently, this man operates in a world where 11-year-old boys don’t only have consensual sex, but have it with men, and over and above that, men old enough to be their great-grandfather.
And because they’re left alone on the internet with access to pornography, they’re being turned into sexually depraved tempters who entice ‘weak’ adults into ‘falling for it’.
If this isn’t the craziest, sickest reversal of reality, I don’t know what is.
How must the boy’s parents feel reading a comment like that, and on timesofmalta.com rather than some wacko site for sick weirdos? Is the usual moderator, who I know to be decent, currently on leave of absence?
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Incredible, repulsive and revolting…….timesofmalta.com, that is.
This t. borg need psychiatric help.
It sounds like a comment that would be allowed on tsimefomlata.com
This is the trend which began with the sexual revolution – children were the last “virgin” territory. Now a minority opinion is gaining ground advocating a precocious sexual awakening in minors.
Minors do have a sexuality (Freud teaches us as much). But that sexuality is still developing and is therefore, by definition, incapable of self-understanding and therefore incapable of giving rise to mature consent.
But do we really need to spell out these things? Where are we heading to?
This is the Dark Side of Secularism.
‘This is the Dark Side of Secularism’
No – this is the manifestation of gross ignorance that is produced by a distorted education in a de facto theocracy.
[Daphne – Do you honestly think that nobody rapes boys unless they have been raised Catholic?]
I was not referring to the rapist but to t.borg whose comment is I believe the result of an education lacking in logic and rational thinking. This sort of education is more typical of theocratic states, which for instance, consider rape victims as much as guilty as the rapist him/herself (e.g. Iran, Nigeria). And by the way I didn’t mention Catholicism.
The Dark Side of Non-Secularism being, of course, abuse by priests.
Not at all. Abuse of minors is the Dark Side of Human Nature.
I was referring to the outlandish and outrageous proposition that children can give consent as being the Dark Side of Secularism.
Secularism proposes that if you give your consent, you can actually do anything. The will of the individual is therefore paramount, and given more importance than the well-being of society as more conservatively understood. Secularism seems to espouse the notion that individual who can do what they like will produce the sum total of a happy society. Conservatism, on the other hand, presupposes that the only order can bring real happiness.
Now, the basic tenet of secularism is consent.
This basic tenet is not being stretched to new, “virgin” territory: children.
The age-old notion that children cannot, due to their immaturity, give consent is being attacked. The result will be such incredible, almost-loony argument as this guy posted on the times website.
Paedophile priests are not only a disgrace to their Church, but to all of humanity.
I am not in favour of capital punishment… but where abuse on children is concerned I somehow want to succumb to the temptation to do like Henry Root: send one pound to Margaret Thatcher or whoever is in favour of the death penalty to hang ’em high.
Coincidentally, I logged onto timesofmalta.com prior to logging on here, and posted a comment in response to “t. borg”‘s, which was one of the sickest comments I have ever read.
It is scary to think that there are people who actually reason that way.
Mandy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is one, because its that exact same reasoning that paedophiles use to get rid of their guilty conscious and thus enable themselves perform the damage again on another child or on the same victim.
I am never against censorship, because the more these idiots speak, the more we get to learn of their fucked up agendas and ideas.
Which means that people will have to take notice and ultimately take a stand against this destructive behaviour.
Have you ever heard or seen of Father O’Brady? He reasoned the whole ordeal out as if he had done something small. To him he didn’t see it as damage, but some sort of special consensual relationship, regardless of how fucked up his victims became and he also claims to not remember many of the acts in detail or all of who he has raped (probably because it’s a lot).
One male victim gave a startlingly vivid description of how once when he was a kid, he was out of his house cutting the hedge, when Father O’Brady strolled out (family “friends” of course) held him by his neck against the hedge, pulled down his pants and sodomized him.
He actually invited some of his victims (during this documentary) to a “reunion” of some kind (‘You were raped by me’ reunion). His letter went along the lines of “let’s meet in Ireland, guests at my house (as he was guests in many of theirs), water under the bridge , let’s laugh and pray”. He somehow genuinely expected some of them to go.
The looks on the faces of his victims when they received the letter was indescribable. This man is still wandering around Ireland, probably planning for his next little morsel, reasoning out that he’s just a weak man and that is life.
Their predatory brains must be hard-wired not to feel any remorse for their actions and these people are a shining example of what can happen when an adult gets lost in his/her own little world.
They reason that in being weak they should act out on their urges regardless of how wrong they are, but don’t they know that some people feel weak to commit acts of violence against them? But do not act out on their urges?
I would have expected better moderation from The Malta Times
“Some adults are weak and easily fall for it.”
This reminds me of the former chief justice, years ago, when he and Peppi Azzopardi were guests on a talk show hosted by Georg Sapiano. The chief justice emphasised the importance of will power in resisting temptation when Peppi became sceptically curious – to which the former chief justice replied (paraphrasing): ‘U ejja, qatt ma gejt f’sitwazzjoni meta forsi kellek tmintax-il sena u rajt guvni u gietek it-tentazzjoni?’
Very innocent, I thought of the old man. He seemed totally unaware of the closet.
There is no such person as “THE former chief justice” unless you name him. There are plenty of former chief justices.
What next? GAMBLI? (Gozitan Association of Men-Boy Loving Intercourse)
That would be Gozo’s answer to NAMBLA.
If not as shocking as t.Borg’s comment, many comments on timesofmalta.com more or else fall into the same category.
While, T. Borg is squarely putting the blame on the 11-year-old (disgusting) others surprisingly desire to suspend judgement until all the facts are heard, (denial) while others moved off immediately to an irate state, calling for public lynchings, introduction of the death penalty or the lex talionis.
In spite of all the available knowledge to people from the comfort of their own homes, unfortunately, so many people have been led to believe that paedophilia or abuse of minors is something that happens among Catholic clergy only.
This state of affairs is far from the truth. Whoever was responsible for promoting just this view for whatever reason has committed a huge disservice to children who are still being abused in staggering numbers by the least suspecting of people.
For further reading on this subject conducted by John Jay College of Criminal Justice in 2004, follow this link:
http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/
Maybe this T Borg dude is related to that fire-and-brimstone-breathing fundamentalist crank J Farrugia you mentioned in an earlier post.
Either way, just two more boneheads that got into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn’t looking.
I sincerely hope the authorities will investigate this t. borg. Anyone who tries to justify and shift blame on such a dark and heinous act against a child must have something dark and sinister in his closet.
I couldn’t agree more. He may as well have admitted to being a molester himself !
Ajma, jahasra! Here’s another one who chooses to ridicule Daphne elsewhere, imbaghad jigi hawn qisu xejn m’hu xejn.
I was referring to Alan Montanaro.
Closets aren’t always “dark and sinister”. And sometimes the closets are willingly opened, when a person thinks “it’s timely to dust” and “air” again.
I too refer to Alan here.
The victim is a girl.
[Daphne – The police are reported as saying that the victim is a boy:
timesofmalta.com – 16:59CET
Man accused of raping boy, 11
Fortun Farrugia, 56, of Xaghra, was arraigned before a Magistrate in Gozo today and accused of the violent rape of an 11-year-old boy, the police said. He was also accused of corrupting the boy, holding him against his will and offending public morals. The case allegedly happened on Sunday.
But then the link to the story appears to be about another case altogether: a girl of 12:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100413/local/man-accused-of-raping-girl-12 ]
“Is the usual moderator, who I know to be decent, currently on leave of absence?”
Otherwise, unless the moderator has become a “progressiv moderat,” he must have taken leave of his senses.
But this is not only applicable to this comment – it has become a norm for readers to hurl whatever comes first to their mind. It makes some comments revolting to read.
The law automatically classifies sex with child below 12 years as rape ‘with violence’ and bloody right I hasten to add.
Having said that, is there a non-violent form of rape?
A classic case of blame the victim… what an ass.
T. Borg must have been passing through a period of suspended disbelief to want us to believe his assertion.
timesofmalta.com has become the online xarabank
Don’t get me wrong. I do believe this to be one of the sickest atrocities possible – but would people have been as outraged if the victim was a girl? Somehow I doubt it.
Now I bet people will argue that it’s not as bad if it was a girl.
[Daphne – Of course it’s as bad if a girl is involved.]
To err is human, to persevere diabolic!!
“t. borg(1 hour, 54 minutes ago)
jien ghidt tlett affarijiet. l-ewwel naraw il-fatti kollha u mhux l-akkuzi. jekk kienx hemm kunsens jew le ghax jekk kien hemm vjolenza hija xi haga gravi hafna jekk le, gravi imma storja differenti. li t-tfal m’ghandhomx jithallew fuq l-internet wahidhom ghax dan igib riperkuzzjonijiet. iva veru hawn adulti debboli u jaqghaw ghal dawn l-affarijiet fejn anki qassisin waqaw. kien hemm kazijiet fejn tfal jittantaw irgiel. min qal li anki ta’ 17 huma tfal nahseb m’ghandux tfal jew maqtuh mir-realta tal-lum. il-bqija kulhadd gera fl-immaginazzjonijiet fatati tieghu.”
Maybe “t. borg” is really “J. Farrugia” (the accused) and is trying to sway public opinion in his favour. He’s going to have a hard time doing so.
Mr. T-Bag Borg, 11 year olds cannot have consensual sex, unless their parents sign a form of consent. Joking, but seriously T-Bag if that doesn’t open your eyes a bit, maybe talking to a victim will.
There is something wrong with the moderator at timesofmalta.com to let such comments through. They are not just immoral. They are slanderous.
And then they delete fair comment rather than uploading it.
I am surprised how Dr. Austin Sammut gave me the impression of being more progressive in his thoughts than the younger Dr. Alex Sciberras.
However, just now the truth has come out dramatically. Dr. Sciberras has just revealed that he is member of that party of Moderates and Progressives.
He puts this blog on par with tyom.com, unbelievable!
He also wants to teach us, if not order, what we should be discussing on a national level. What arrogance!
[Daphne – Alex Sciberras is a classic pompous mittilkless who became a lawyer and put on the clothes, image, accent and Italianate delivery of a 1930s avukat tar-rahal. Though he was struggling against the urge, he was clearly dying to revert to Labour ahdar type and give me a good going over as he would in his ‘ezekuttiv’. His father is Judge Philip Sciberras who hears all appeals in libel cases, so you can imagine what a high old time I have of it. Progressive ta’ rasi. How can you be progressive when your role model appears to be somebody from the Nationalist Party circa 1940? And yes, he equates this website to tasteyourownmedicine.com which is packed with lies and slander, is anonymous and set up with the declared purpose of blackmailing me into submission. And this lawyer is the SON of a the judge who hears libel appeals. Tal-misthija. Qabda hodor u injoranti, riven with resentment and bitterness and weighed down by their effing chips. Imagine becoming a lawyer to ‘be’ somebody and feeling you’re arrived – unbelievable.]
‘The truth has just come out dramatically’
It was self-evident in the man’s position and delivery. All that tosh about il-blokk iwaqqa l-livell tad-dibattitu. What does It-Torca do, for heaven’s sake?
Austin Bencini
Eh?
I think that john is correcting Cannot Resist Any More who wrote ‘Austin Sammut’ rather than ‘Austin Bencini’.
“He also wants to teach us, if not order, what we should be discussing on a national level. What arrogance!”
They want to set the agenda for everything. They’re even demanding that the prime minister stops Daphne. They don’t know what the meaning of democracy is. And don’t be fooled in thinking that they have changed. On the contrary, it is much worse seeing all these young people with the same mentality of their fathers and grandfathers.
Daphne, you seem to have missed the bit at the end where Alex Sciberras jokingly-but-seriously implied that “the people” behind your blog could be the same ones behind the tasteyourownmedicine one, who would have created the latter simply to create (“biex iqanqlu”) a stir.
[Daphne – I didn’t miss it. It’s in the queue for an upload.]
Judge Sciberras’s son must be really weird to think that you would slander your own father, grandparents and sisters just for the sake of publicity.
All together now: no wonder he votes Labour.
I am referring to Dissett on TVM tonight.
t borg is probably one who shags the sheep while this Fortun sicko went a step further.
Both should be investigated pronto.
“Maybe all was consensual”. This t.borg requires urgent psychiatric attention as an inpatient. Any legal beagle out there who can illuminate me whether the police are empowered to take action in a case like this?
This is atrocious. So now it is the parents’ fault when young children are raped. Yesterday I wrote here that I never cease to be amazed by the nonsense that people write. This latest development is in a completely different category. This is downright criminal. Shame on timesofmalta.
So timesofmalta scrupulously filters criticism of a 45-year-old fornicating, adulterous perjurer and magistrate on its site and allows these obscenities to be said about an eleven-year-old boy. Utterly unacceptable. Once again shame on you, timesofmalta.com.
Yes, then when I posted comments about atrocities certain humans inflict on animals, the moderator decided to censor me. A big shame on Times of Malta.
timesofmalta is hopeless for comments.
Reason? They let IGalea run his mouth (or should I say keyboard?) with the same repetitive trash all the time.
IGalea is the resident jester. In small doses, he’s amusing.
And that jerk J Farrugia.
Sex can never be consensual with a child, and even when it is consensual with a post-pubescent teenager who is a minor, it remains statutory rape.
But if we are all for free speech shouldn’t this man be allowed to say what he thinks even if this disgusts us?
[Daphne – Free speech is limited by the laws on libel and slander. This man is free to say that he thinks children are capable to consensual sex with adults and of tempting them into sin, but he is not free to say this in respect of a specific individual beneath a specific news report about an actual rape incident. It is not free speech we are talking about here, but slander.]
Understood and agreed
X’gara minn James Tyrell min mindu kxieftlu li gab passaport Malti, kif waqa sieket. Fega fil-hdura li ghandhu jaqaw? Jew induna kemm huwa tan-nelh u mar jistahba fl-ahhar?
He’s still around. The leprechaun has found a niche among the trolls and goblins.
I’m not surprised any more at the ignorance and stupidity of the people who comment on timesofmalta.com
See this article about a robbery: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20100109/local/judge-reduces-jail-sentence
And then read the comment below it:
“FIRST OF ALL VERY UNPROFESSIONAL TO USE A RELATIVE CAR FOR A HOLD UP NEVER HEARD OF IT SINCE THIEVES ALWAYS USE STOLEN CARS ”
Seems like thieves have some sort of code of ethics to adhere to too.
Timesofmalta.com carries this disclaimer underneath the Comments box:
“Comments are submitted under the express understanding and condition that the editor may, and is authorised to, disclose any/all of the above personal information to any person or entity requesting the information for the purposes of legal action on grounds that such person or entity is aggrieved by any comment so submitted.”
Dear Timesofmalta.com Editor
As you can see the comment by t.borg aggrieved many of us who are of sane mind. What are you going to do about it?
Naqbel ma’ t. borg meta qal li adulti hemm nies debboli nghid jien bhal qasisin li dawn qatt ma jmorru l-habs. Donnu dawn ippokritament hadd ma jitkaza bihom fejn tfal abbandunati mill-genituri jigu abbuzati minn min suppost jiehu hsiebhom. Veru wkoll li l-pornografija qed taghmel hafna hsara fuq it-tfal. Genituri jmorru Paceville u jhallu t-tfal mall-barranin.