It always boils down to the same thing, doesn’t it?
Joseph might talk about being ‘safe’ while Michelle weeps in her yellow cardigan and Jeffrey Pullicino Orlando’s second wife applauds him in the audience, but the real Labour sentiment is expressed in this comment, posted beneath my piece about Mintoff, which I am uploading here.
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Dear Daphne,even Norman Lowell would pass as a normal and moderate speaker compared to you…and with all the controversy suurounding Norman,I have never heard him throw as much poison against coloured people as you did with Mintoff tonight…You really outclassed him,negatively of course..
Just keep one thing in mind.Mintoff is 95,and has been out of politics that count for many years now..But he still got many and many people who volunteer to help him,with nothing to gain,out of the respect they have for him…I know people who go and sleep with him leaving their wives alone at night,just to show recognition to him for what he’s done for the working class…
You have to keep in mind that people (insomma l kelma ggib hekk) like you,li sabu s sodda mifruxa,and have never had the working man at heart,don’t like Mintoff…But then there is the other half of Malta,like myself,my parents,and most of my neighbours and friends,who are or were workers,and still regard Mintoff as the number one politician of all time….
Fenech Adami and Gonzi WERE right-wing azzjoni kattolika bastards,but still we don’t wish them any personal harm…..Malta will always be divided on Mintoff..He obviously helped one half of Malta,and hurt the other half..But the half he helped was our half,so we adored him and always will…..
And whem Dr Muscat comes to power,we should again want him to be good to us workers,who have endured much suffering during PN administration,and we hope that he will be as bad as Mintoff,and maybe even worse,to people like you…
Daphne,whatever Mintoff and labour did to you,you deserve it,and it shows by the blogs you make…..Even so,I still wish you good night,and I will leave you with one thing…You said that Franco Debono is still with his head in second grade….Mela tieghek fejn qeda rasek,ghadek fl 87……….
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You can tell it’s a Labour crowd. They’ve got the torch, and the police has joined them.
So true. Stupid shits.
Typical Labour crap earlier today. (Dreamsville) ‘Just because the owner of my company invested his own money and took a risk, doesn’t mean he should have a bigger car and house than me. Time to share the wealth. I’m just as good, and deserve as much. Think I’ll play sick today.’
Roll on Labour. F**k the country.
The sarcasm was lost on you.
I just can’t, beyond the life of me understand this “ghax ahna tal-working class” argument. This sense of entitlement, this mentality that people who succeed can only have done so “ghax sabu s-sodda mifruxa” is just mind-boggling.
It all boils down to envy and yes, class-hatred instilled by Mintoff and no-one else.
These so-called working-class people believe that no one suffers as much as they do.
On the contrary, and this is addressed to the person who wrote this article and any other people with his beliefs, how much harder do people who succeed work?
While you might have partied your way through your school years, other people worked hard to succeed in their studies, having to forgo certain pleasures. While you might have married young and managed to settle down in a “flat tal-gvern” by the age of 25, other people went to uni and then on to post-grad studies studying well into the night every night and only saving enough to buy a home when almost in their 30s.
And while you will be happy to be employed 8-5 with no cares in the world except that of completing your mundane job (if you do!), successful people will be running companies and worrying how to keep ungrateful people like you in a job, owning businesses, treating patients, flying aeroplanes etc, and having to cope with an enormous amount of responsibility and stress, which you cannot even begin to fathom.
That’s why successful people are handsomely renumerated, because they don’t sit on their lazy asses waiting for a Labour government to give them everything for free. And that’s why families who were successful in the 50s and 60s detest Mintoff – because he didn’t just help the poor (that would probably not have raised an eyebrow) but he proceeded to rob the achievers of what they had worked so hard to achieve as well as instil class-hatred.
There you have it. What the hard core PL supporters really want. Makes me wonder what the PL has in store for the country once they get voted in.
Joseph will soon face the impossible tuks of pleasing all those who vote for him.
I wonder if the working class man above has any children who are profitting from the many EU and local opportunities that Nationalist administrations have generously bestowed on the island. Jew kullhadd irid kollox bi dritt illum?
Makes you wonder? Edward, I gather you are not old enough to remember what they were actually like, through experience, which is how they will remain, especially given the fact that their “movers and shakers” include the likes of Anglu Farrugia, Karmenu Vella, Alex Sceberras Trigona and so on.
People never change. The Labour Party hasn’t changed because its people remain the same. But more crucially, so does the vile attitude of class hatred, jealousy and hdura, all spiked with violence and savage vulgarity.
If anything, with the passage of time, they could only have got worse, what with all that pent-up anger, frustration, envy and hatred. All hell will break loose even before the election results are announced. Anyone who has ever lived in or around Sliema will know exactly what I mean.
Violence, judging by the comments on the internet so far.
Oh well, as long as Joseph’s running the country, we’ll be fine. Because like he told us, he’s SAFE.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16699807
Exactly. What can Joseph Muscat ever know what it means to run a country when this is all he’s been so far:
a) Super One journalist
b) employee of Kristal Finance / Alfred Mifsud
c) MEP
d) Malta Labour Party leader
You should add immediately:
e) Leader of the Opposition
and possibly soon enough…
f) Prime Minister of Malta.
E scusa se e’ poco!
I come from a staunch Labour family, and have myself always voted for PL, but having read this, I have now decided to vote PN, as I can’t trust a party that has so much green in it.
Vanni-Ex PL
When I was young I used to admire Mintoff for his bullying tactics against the “barrani”, against the Church, against The Times of Malta, against Nato, against the banks, against Rediffusion, against Cable and Wireless, against Japan and last but not least against “Gorg il-Barri” (yes that’s what we used to call Dr Gorg Borg Olivier) and “Il-Vavu Eddie”.
In this process, he created lots of enemies and Malta ended up controlled by him. His arm-twisting tactics could not work for ever and when he found out that he was not able to generate a competitive productive economy he handed Malta to the unelected Dr Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici who remained ‘nej’ (half baked).
Now we have a great unelected leader of the opposition who actively admires Dom Mintoff, and who was emotionally attached to his picture in his nanna’s sitting-room, leading the same party which Mintoff split and then tried to destroy before abandoning parliament.
The common denominator with Mintoffians was always that they are people with a chip on the shoulder and axes to grind.
They used to tell us that Mintoff wanted to raise the standard of living of the lower class without lowering the standard of living of the middle classes but we only saw 16 years of class hatred when Labour was in power.
Though I respect our former PM Dr Fenech Adami I never agreed with his rikonciljazzjoni nazzjonali, and never will.
Labour leaders should have been prosecuted and the criminal party abolished.
People who suffered injustices at Labour’s hands should have been compensated directly by those who perpetrated these injustices.
Now Labour is trying to thwart history by presenting a much diluted picture of that terrible, terrible era and to some degree they are managing to get away with it. I despair!
Labour can never be safe, not even if it wears a montgolfier of a condom.
I don’t want people to share the wealth!!!
What I’ve done all my life is earn an honest living, paying more and more and more and more taxes every year that goes by. Under PN especially Gonzi PN it seem all they want to do is take more money from me.
So what you are saying is sit back and let Bonzi oh I mean Gonzi steal more money from me!! Well Umm F**k that!!
I’m willing to take my chances with Josep Muscat I’ve given Gonzi PN to much money now and he’s wasted it!!!
You people are F’n blind while our country was going through tough times Gonzi decided that him and his friends aren’t being paid enough so he made more taxes and gave him and his friends a raise of 500euros a week!!
Yeah F**k That Basterd I’m With PL Joseph has my vote for sure!!!
These people do not desire value; they desire the value’s destruction.
“They do not want to own your fortune, they want you to lose it; they do not want to succeed, they want you to fail;”
Il-Lupo perde is velo ma non il vizio. The true colours of Labour are out again after twenty five years of reconciliation which did not serve the purpose.
Joseph will not contain this innate hatred. On the contrary it will be allowed to resurface with a vengeance.
Hardly surprising, is it? It’s very common amongst hardcore Labour supporters to have a culture of revenge. They believe that the PN is out to get them. I’m surprised they don’t wear a tin-foil hat, while they’re at it.
They then have the audacity to call PN classist.
I never understood (nor do I actually know why I have tried to understand, in the first place) this obsession with calling Labour a “family”.
This idea that “we are part of the Labour family, they are not” baffles me.
If I’m not mistaken, someone said that during the PL General Conference. It’s divisive, and division is never beneficial to the stability of a country. Or maybe they’re hinting at the fact they are all inbred freaks?
Of course, any random Labour supporter will see my comment as being divisive for not supporting them being divisive. Let’s face it. Logic isn’t their forte.
When I read
…we should again want him to be good to us workers,
It is unequivocally proven that PL supporters are masochistic losers in nature, resigned to forego the lowest level of self-respect as long as they get crumbs that fall off food stolen from others.
A PN government provides opportunity for all while a Labour government entertains the proletariat by persecuting its ‘enemies’.
And there, dear anonymous writer, lies the difference.
Your party’s got the wrong emblem. It should be a black hole.
Fenech Adami’s biggest mistake -RICONCILLIAZIONI- Mintoff and his crowd should have met the same fate as their bedfellows -Ceaucescu and Gaddafi.
Regarding this post,now,isn’t it why all the labour parties in the world try to be in government? To try to balance the powers between capitalism and the people exploited by it? It’s common practice for a labour government to introduce laws that help the common people,and take a little from the elite.If you take a little from the rich,he may grumble,but he’ll never be poor..But those already poor cannot even afford a 10c increase in fuel or electricity.
The way I humbly see it in Malta is that the PN has managed to keep most of the social assistance and services,and even subsidies for those who are in the lower class,therefore saving them from dying of hunger.But he did not do enough for the middle class,which now finds itself struggling not to go back to the lower end.
I am not one who preaches communism,because I know that you have to make your way through life,and try to achieve economic freedom through ideas,actions and even contacts.But for this to happen,the playing field has to be level,and it is not..That is why we have to parties,one who leans more to the right and the other that tries to keep a little to the left.
I do not like all this hate not only on your blogs,but anywhere,because if we go on reasoning this way,we’ll never get out of it and discuss real politics…You must have surely suffered in the 80’s,and you have all the reasons,but the way you are still holding the grudge makes your enemy the victor,if you understand the concept…
[Daphne – How exactly is my enemy the victor? They’ve been warming the Opposition benches for 23 of the last 25 years. They see me as the victor, hence the hatred.]
The myth that Mintoff did miracles for the working class needs to be challenged.
It is simply not true.
Who exactly did he help and how?
I know a number of social services have helped but this is not the way you help the working class. The working class are elevated through education, better working conditions, economic prospects, links with the developed world, a market that ensures growth such as the EU, justice, etc etc.
Employing people with government agencies might help them in the short run but in the long run we know what that resulted in. Handing out a lot of social services cheques might be beneficial for some but others tend to get lazy on them.
And another myth needs to be challenged – that the PN government is only helping the upper classes.
The truth is that many Labour supporters cannot see that there is a massive difference in the way the two parties work.
Labour (particularly through Mintoff) advocated a levelling down whereby the upper classes, those who have the brains and those who have the money are shackled and taxed and limited to keep them from reaching their potential.
The PN on the other hand believes in a levelling up whereby those with limited means are helped to achieve more.
As an analogy take a class with high-flyers and those who are struggling. A Labour government sees the strugglers and the high-flyers, gets upset that the strugglers are lagging behind but instead of helping them incites hatred for the high-flyers and does everything possible to keep them from moving on so that the laggards feel the difference between them is closing up.
And to end on a lighter note – “I know people who go and sleep with him leaving their wives alone at night” – you would need to have very bad taste to leave your wife alone in bed and go to sleep with a grumpy nonagenerian.
Does Marisa intend to address this chap’s wishes?
It seems there’s a major glitch between what she submitted and core target wants.
Maybe the client isn’t too fussed, he never came up with the specifics anyway.
Joseph Muscat can never “come to power” unless those who were hurt by Mintoff (a lot more than half the population) give him a leg up.
The new boss of Fondazzjoni Idejat was guest speaker on today’s One Radio show hosted by Pauline Miceli.
Dr. Sammut spoke at length on just how wicked and mean the Israelis and the Americans are in oppressing the Palestinian people.Towards the end of the discussion she added a couple of sentences on just what a terrific job Fondazzjoni is doing in carrying out research to help the Labour cause.
Daphne, it is hard to explain to some people that politics is in fact a mentality and not an opinion or religion. The mentality of the PL is clear.
It is the citizen’s right to have a job, a pension, water, electricity, food, “post ghal-kacca” etc. How can you explain to a Labourite and /or Mintoffjan that in the world out there 1) you create jobs by attracting foreign investment and not buidling factories, 2) people should invest for their future and not rely on pension as a fundamental God-given right even if they never worked in their life, 3) the national economy is highly affected by the world economy (but they only care about Joseph Muscat halving their electricity bills).
So trying to convice these people otherwise is futile.
I rest my case. I just hope that in the next general election, the education system of our country doesn’t fail us and most people will realise the difference.
The writer of this comment is lost in his thoughts and he is thinking in the Mintoffian doctrine of hatred towards what he used to call the businessmen and the rich.
First of all this writer has to remember that Mintoff is one of the richest persons in Malta.
Secondly he/she needs to remember that throughtout his political life Mintoff, first and foremost worked for himself not for the workers.
I list a few examples.
He backstabbed Paul Boffa and waged war on him to replace him as party leader.
The integration issue, which if successful would have seen him sitting in the House of Commons.
His objections to Malta’s Independence in 1964 on the excuse that it was not true independence, simply because it was not him who did it.
The extension of the lease for the British base so that he would be able to say that he got freedom. In this process he forgot to tell his supporters that were we not independent, he would not have been able to extend the stay of the British forces up to 1979. He tried to get them to extend it further and pay more, and that backfired. Instead they left and he called it Jum il-Helsien.
He performed worst in job creation. Unemployment was at it highest in Malta, whilst Europe and the world were booming. He could only offer one labour corps after another.
He deprived us of the basics in life, and more so, the good things. We had state-organised importation of canned food from Thailand and China, and desperate Maltese day-trippers were humiliated and patronised by stall-holders in Catania.
Under him Malta was in the hands of thugs and corruption was rampant. There was no freedom of speech, and there was a complete takeover of the national tv and radio.
Whoever posted the above comment is a blinkered Labour supporter who after living so well for the last 25 years, still believes in the ‘golden Mintoff days’.
( The tooth fairy let this group post on his facebook;
http://www.facebook.com/groups/314196775289230/ )
Prejudices are what fools use for reason – Voltaire
That comment is a perfect illustration of exactly what is wrong with Mintoffian thinking: our problems are someone else’s fault and we can solve them by bringing someone else down.
The hole in this thinking is, of course, that that does absolutely nothing to change our own position.
Does this idiot not realise that he has just proven your point?
Labour mentality is still 1987 even though they try and come across otherwise.
God help us all if Joseph Muscat is elected. with all odds against us – i.e so many years in government. I still cannot believe that the majority of Malta wants to be led by people like Joseph Muscat and his party, who may I add are mostly 1987 candidates.
“I know people who go and sleep with him leaving their wives alone at night,just to show recognition to him for what he’s done for the working class”
Now that is class..
…especially when he has millions stashed away and can easily afford a large entourage of housekeepers, nurses and all the comforts of life at his overripe age.
The tight-fisted relic and his even tighter-fisted daughters should be ashamed of themselves.
Great comment on maltastar –
Dr. Debono ghada l-Hamis trid izzomm kelmtek maghna l-Laburisti u tivvota favur il-mozzjoni tal-vot ta’ sfiducja fil-gvern tieghek. B’daqshekk imma xorta tippretendix grazzi minn ghandna ghax int ghidt li xorta se tibqa Nazzjonalist allura ahna mhux se nafdawk QATT.
http://www.maltastar.com/pages/r1/ms10dart.asp?a=19520
A childishly candid comment. Except that Franco Debono never actually gave his word to the “Laburisti” that he’ll support their no-confidence motion. His “nivvota kontra” referred to a confidence motion.
Yes, perhaps they really should name a street after Macchiavelli. Somewhere in Ħal Għaxaq possibly.
You can expect no better of such people. Some things never change, and the Malta Labour Party is one of them.
typical lejber
“I know people who go and sleep with him leaving their wives alone at night,just to show recognition to him for what he’s done for the working class…”
Speaks volumes. Mintoff hu s-salvatur, and to hell with the wife.
“. . . people who go and sleep with him, leaving their wives . .”
That’s what they tell their wives.
The comments on some Facebookwalls are very telling. So much for the NEW schizophrenic Labour Movement.
Thank you but no thank you Dr, Muscat.
Nippreferi nibqa’ nissikka ic-cinturin u niekol hobz u ilma taht il-PN milli niekol hasi mimli kulljum f pajjiz immexi min ulied il- marmalja socjalista ta’ zmien is-sebghejnijiet u tmeninijiet.
Your the greatest asset Daphne. Keep them coming :)
[Daphne – It is my great pleasure, reuters. When you mix only with other hodor, and don’t speak to the wider village, then yes, you would think I’m the Labour Party’s best asset. Much for the same reason that Franco Debono thinks he’s on the right track.]
From timesofmalta.com:
“Dr Debono was given less attention by his fellow MPs yesterday than on Monday. At one point he appeared agitated and was seen yawning conspicuously during the speech of MP Beppe Fenech Adami, who recently accused him of wanting to become Prime Minister.”
Don’t they teach manners to aspiring lawyer/politicians at Jesuit school?
Typical Laburist crap, even the thought of adoring someone, anyone for any reason, is sickening especially a stingy cold-blooded “mafjuz” like Mintoff.
This person evidently doesn’t know the meaning of suffering if these years of PN administration are deemed to be so hellish.
“he still got many and many people who volunteer to help him, with nothing to gain…”
But it took KMB to make good and pay Mintoff’s water bill after the skinflint found it hard to part with his money even after his water was shut off for nonpayment. Not that KMB did not owe Mintoff much, having been appointed prime minister without ever getting one stinking vote from the public.
One would have thought that the ‘many people who volunteer to help him’ would have sprung a few lira and paid the bill for him.
Sure, they expect(ed) nothing in return. The poor sod would not even pay his own bills, let alone acknowledge the ‘free’ help he received from these generous, brainwashed souls!
I just read the piece above and I must admit that tears came to my eyes. It often happens when I laugh too much.
If the working class people were all LP voters the PN would never have been elected.So this idea that half of Malta is working class and they vote LP is bullshit. working class is almost split in the middle between PN and LP.The upper class however is not.
[Daphne – In fact, Malta is 85% working class, Frans, down from 95% 50 years ago. Thousands were exported to Australia for the cheap price of ten pounds a ticket, but still the dent made wasn’t big enough. Never mind.]
Updates from facebook:
Anti-Gonzi
tahsbu li daphne ghanda titresaq il-qorti min jaqbel jafas like
[Daphne – You know, for the hell of it, and on no particular charges, for criticising the Great Leader of the Past. Now we now why Chairman Mao got ahead.]
Now we ‘know’. Rush, rush, rush.
[Daphne – Richard, I have several hundred comments a day for moderation, must write several posts because if I don’t my readers get twitchy, and there are two magazines to be got to print. And that is quite apart from the chores of everyday living. That’s the rush.]
Ejja Daphne, pop a Xanax and relax :)
[Daphne – I’m very relaxed. I’m in my element, yanking the chains of my social and intellectual inferiors (while they raid the Xanax cupboard themselves), in between making cottage pie and now, waiting for it to bake. Being cross with these people would be like being cross with monkeys, though I do try to explain where they’re going wrong. I do hope you’re not too ashamed of sharing their political choices. It must be an awful feeling to realise that you have exactly the same judgement.]
U le, the fact that you spend so much of your waking hours, sifting through these comments, answering each one which pushes your buttons, for what? It’s not like you are trying to start a conversation with most of them, you just want to belittle them. Boq, I don’t get it, time is so precious nowadays yet you chose to spend it this way.
[Daphne – People from my kind of background, Richard, are raised with the notion of pro bono work and charitable exercises, if possible done quietly. I can’t do this quietly, by definition, but never mind. Exposing the Labour Party for what it is a service to society. That’s why I do it. And this time, I’m not joking or being sarcastic. You might not be able to understand how I can spend hours dealing with these people. I can’t understand how others spend hours sitting at a table playing bridge, or walking around for hours playing golf. It takes all sorts. I know it must be distressing for you to see your fellow-travellers rush to expose themselves in this fashion, but perhaps your eyes need to be opened too.]
It looks like a sentence you’d give school children to punctuate and correct. Iva hadd minnhom ma jaf jikteb sentenza li taghmel sens? Imbasta Malta l-ewwel u qabel kollox! Imma l-Malti donnu l-ahhar u wara kollox ghalihom.
thinker, are you serious?
I am prepared to die for free speech. You seem to have a problem with it.
What do you get when you cross magic mushrooms with pitchforks mentality?
I suppose you get some comment like this on timesofmalta.com.
“Victor Vella
Today, 15:18
You say that you are a democratic person?. You form part of an autocratic type of Regime and precisely that is the Gonzi PN Regime that you side with to say to a person that is representative of those who voted for him to shut up and resign. Resign the chief of the evil oligarchy that has rendered our democratic parliament just a Parliament of signing papers to let people shut up by tying them a muzzle with their mouths to let the PN marmalja rolling down on the bodies of the oppressed.Shame on you all.”
I come from an illiterate working class family, but my family never bit Montoff’s bait. They were aware of Mintoff’s trickeries and they never fell for it.
It takes a certain twisted masochist to support anyone of Mintoff’s ilk.