“Illegal, dangerous and disgraceful”
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July 10, 2013 at 9:55am
Do please read the leading article in Times of Malta today.
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http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130710/editorial/Illegal-dangerous-and-disgraceful.477341
I can’t add another word to that article, but I’m appalled (as always) as to the crass mentality of the majority of those who posted messages beneath.
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Well it’s about blooming time.
@Calculator & Ciccio
Depends which comments are being suppressed and which are allowed through. Judging by what is still being let through as personal insults, defaming insinuations, irrelevant brash opinions presented as oracular pontifications from above, the plethora of question and exclamation marks, overuse of Caps Lock, incomplete sentences without a predicate tapering off into a clutch of full stops and LOLs, the “quality of the content” still leaves much to be desired in a serious newspaper.
Ah, at last. Their comments board had become like the toilet walls of a Nazi party club.
Many of the usual suspects are complaining that it is not in the “national interest”; as if they know what the “national interest” is, even if it bit them in the a#^s.
Joseph Muscat and Manuel Mallia are sitting in a boat. The boat capsizes and sinks. Who will be saved?
Malta!
It’s ridiculous that these people complain:
1) If 9 years ago we would have not joined the EU – most people would be doing the same by fleeing to UK and other countries.
2) They forget that Maltese Generations in the past have migrated too , and they were treated badly.
3) The “white” illegal immigrants in Malta – don’t they pose a threat?
4) They are doing jobs that no other people want to do. The ones registering and getting benefits from the government are not going to pick up garbage, work as installers, in a quarry, or washing plates. Ma Tarax! It’s below their standard.
Bil-mod, taf xi standard. Qatta basal hawn f’Malta. Nahslu l platti bla dinjita’, nitlajjaw u niehdu r-relief imma ma jimpurtax.
Am I the only one seeing a Don Quixote in our PM?
No, last week he backtracked on Delimara’s cancer spewing factory.
Not only didn’t he deliver the changeover to gasoil, diesel, as solemnly promised, he actually extended its use beyond the testing period.
Basically he doesn’t care what the readings which should have been published indicate, something to which George Pullicino had bound his decision.
HFO carries different grades, the results would have served to restrict these to an optimal even further.
Muscat first said HFO’s the worst in all it’s grades, ignoring BWSC’s emission abatement technology, promising gasoil, now he acts as though it’s mineral water.
And not a word from Environmental NGO’s or Local councils in the area.
Actually he looks more like Sancho Panza.
Also in the Times:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20130710/local/ngo-resigns-from.477363
Here is a question I used to sort the wheat from the chaff ten years ago: What’s worse – Alfred Sant (saying that ‘partnership’ has won the referendum) telling people to go out and celebrate; OR people actually doing what he told them?
The refugees would have suffered a misfortune of a higher magnitude had they failed to land in Malta or had they not been plucked from drowning in a cruel sea by our AFM at great risk whilst the staff of the UNHCR, their supporters everywhere, all watched in blissful serenity from the cosy comfort of their office armchairs. In the immortal words of Eliza Doolittle “Move your arse” and induce the big countries to assume their fair share of granting hospitality to destitute refugees.
There’s some 5,000 immigrants currently in Malta. Are you claiming that those can’t be coped with? What kind of rubbish government have we elected if they can’t allocate resources to help a mere 5,000 people.
There are some 50,000 apartments standing empty in Malta currently. Luxury car sales have gone up by magnitudes.
Maltese spend more on clothes and cars than nearly any other European nation. Are we saying that we couldn’t allow ourselves a few less luxuries – perhaps a slightly cheaper car, or skip that second steak of the month.
Perhaps the fact that Melita cancelled two TV channels is a burden we could actually live with, when we put that problem in the bigger picture of people escaping a near certain death – and worse – for themselves and their family members.
I’m a father of two and knowing that this monster (Muscat, not you) without a blink separated a number of fathers from their children makes my blood boil and you claim they should be thankful as they might have drowned otherwise. Some morals.
Knowing your constant nagging about the truth of the bible and it’s “author”, I think you would make him less than proud with your comments.
It’s 5,000 people – get some f*cking perspective.
Our biggest problems are obesity and sloth. If we can’t cope, it’s our fault.
Patrik, there are millions of people in Africa that want to come to Europe for the supposed streets paved with gold there that they heard about.
Their first landfall is Malta, so are the Maltese to take all these people in as irregular immigrants on a tiny island archipelago less than the size of the Isle of Wight and keep them there with no economic opportunities for them or opportunities to go to larger and richer EU nations ?
Never mind that it is a logistics nightmare to feed and house and heal and police an endless stream of mostly economic migrants that soon will be in their millions as the years go by with no solution to this problem.
This old chestnut of empty apartments and old houses on Malta as being a housing solution is a dead end, as private property belongs to private individuals to do with it as they wish.
The islanders are not being ruled by Fidel Castro or Dom Mintoff to requisition private property against their will and rights and even these dwellings will not be enough in time.
So should already overcowded Malta be an internment camp that is full to the brim to appease the large and richer EU nations who do not seriously want to help Malta?
Malta has a real problem on its hands of gigantic proportions and the do-gooders are very short sighted and have no long term solution other than total population displacement on two tiny islands.
I don’t know about you but I think the Maltese people deserve a little place on earth to totally call their own without being a hyphenated Maltese or refugees themselves or totally absorbed into other nations and cultures without a trace.
The Maltese people have as much right to live as any Somali or Nigerian.
They are unique enough and small in quantity enough to deserve to have their genome and culture survive as long as possible despite the self hate a lot of the Maltese seem to have on the island.
I am pointing out that Malta was already one of the most densely populated islands in the world before the start of the desperate attempt by these refugees to find asylum on mainland Europe where they are refused admittance. As a consequence they end up dumped and confined in a small overpopulated Malta where they do not want to stay. What they need, and what they want, is asylum in the bigger states of the EU but the extant UNHCR policy is to thwart them and to aid and abet those big countries who insist to keep the refugees as far as possible away from their borders even if they end cooped up on tiny overcrowded islands like Malta and Lampedusa.
Malta is not depriving refugees anything from anything that they need or they want except the freedom to proceed with their journey of hope towards their dreamland mainland Europe. We do not detain them out of our own free choice. We do it because of inexorable pressure from the big bullies of the EU, the NHCR and their local mouthpieces.
That is the “f*cking perspective” that you do not see or do not want to see.
Broaden your outlook, ken il-Malti.
Malta is NOT the first landing point. That’s a myth put about by the hysterically uninformed and the deliberately manipulative, Joseph Muscat being chief among the latter.
Pope Francis made his now famous speech in Lampedusa, not Malta. Thousands of immigrants have arrived in Cyprus, Greece, Italy, France and Spain. Several thousand more have crossed the Sinai desert and are still trying to do that, despite the brutal treatment they face.
So wind down the whining, would you? Malta isn’t the centre of the universe, no matter what Muscat’s rants have led you to believe.
Dr Saliba:
So taking fathers away from their children is not depriving them of something?
Spare me.
Back to the Mintoff days when he pushed Malta (and all of us) to the brink, get international attention and then somehow reach a compromise.
Hasn’t Lino Spiteri, a Mintoff minister himself, reminded us a couple of days ago of the benefits reaped ‘for the country’ from the Helsinki debacle of European Peace and Security Conference?
It’s probably what Lino Spiteri and Francis Saliba MD mean when the latter refers to “Move your arse”, etc. Joseph Muscat is playing the same card but what they all should ask themselves is what the medium and long-term consequences of such behaviour will be.
Any immediate benefits that may (or may not) be gained might probably impress a large section of the population but everything has a price.
If this is the way he’s going to behave locally then we know, from past experience, what to expect. That’s how I interpret JM’s threatening warning to NGOs in Parliament.
At the International level we will regain our label as the ‘enfant terrible’ and ‘pocket dictator’ or yore. The Dalligate affair has already tarnished our image and reputation and this issue will make it even worse.
In spite of the millions of euros that the EU has pumped to help us deal with the problem of a few thousand immigrants we’re now stamping our feet for more, and NOW. That’s how we’ll be seen on the continent.
There are material considerations which strike a chord with the electorate (being the most charitable country doesn’t help) but there are also ethical and humanitarian values which align us with the truly ‘liberal, modern and progressive’ countries of the civilised world.
We are not only a people, but also a STATE – and a European one at that! A cradle of Civilisation itself – or so we proclaim to be.
They keep complaining about Malta being overrun by illegal immigrants. It’s how many? 4000 at most illegal immigrants in a country of 400,000. How can a mere 1% overrun the remaining 99%? Do these people share one single functioning brain between them?
It’s 430,000+.
Malta was overrun by Maltese long before any illegal immigrant landing. Before Joseph Muscat makes platitudes about population numbers to the EU, perhaps he should consider Malta’s native overpopulation, plus its comparatively colossal tourist influx. I never thought any of this was sustainable.
The Joseph camp seem to think that Malta can host 430,000 mewling leeches, plus their deliiizji, fast cars, huge homes, boathouses plus villeggatura, and 24/7 petards to top it all off, plus a million tourists a year. But not 4000+ irregular/illegal immigrants.
@Josette
When a population of about 40000 on a tiny island make that island one of the most densely populated islands on earth the uncontrolled increment of a few thousand irregular immigrants could very well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
The problem of the irregular migrants is their colour.
People are not complaining about the influx from non-EU countries in the East and some of them are employed and exploited by pretty shady characters.
No one keeps track of it – they are simply added to the 430,000 as being part of them. But our innate racism makes us raise arguments of over-population the minute people who are darker than us land on our shores.
I have a friend who has a half-black child. The remarks and treatment faced by her daughter made her decide to leave the island. That daughter is as Maltese as you but was still seen as part of the straw that breaks the camel’s back (unfortunately the mother votes PL – wonder how she’s feeling at the moment!).
The straw that is going to break the camel’s back is not the arrival of a few hundred people who are generally willing to work at the most menial level to earn their daily bread.
The straw which is going to break the camel’s back is Muscat’s rhetoric which is making people think that their racism is acceptable, justifiable and even normal and that they can treat others as sub-human simply because of the colour of their skin.
I actually believe racists to be sub-human because they never developed the empathy and intellect which distinguishes us human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom.
And the straw which will eventually break the economy’s back is the number of people who are born living off social services, live that way and are bearing children who expect to live that way. Those are the ones we should be worried about!
The migrants leave at the first opportunity but our leeches will be there to the bitter end!
It’s odd that you should say that, Francis Saliba. I noticed you were up rather early today to sign the petition against Muscat’s planned pushback and repatriation. Or was that another Francis Saliba MD?
If it wasn’t you, you’re still in time to sign here:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Save_the_Victims_Malta_should_not_pushback_migrants_illegally/?pv=0
@Josette
Practically ALL the irregular immigrant refugees would leave at the very first opportunity if they had that opportunity. It is not Malta that is depriving them of it here and now. It is the NIMBY big countries of mainland Europe with the connivance of such NGOs as the UNHCR etc.
It is stupid for us Maltese to bicker among ourselves instead of making a coordinated joint effort against our common selfish adversaries within the EU so as to expedite the acceptance of deserving refugees into mainland Europe instead of trying inhumanely to push them back.
About time too.
Excellent! The Times editorial today couldn’t have said it better! Yes we do have a problem but this is not the way to go about it.
Muscat is definitely damaging our reputation as a small island to please ‘some’ of his ‘heartless’ followers by acting the bully. How ironic that a week ago he was kissing the pope’s hand. The same pope who visited and praised Lampedusa for their interventions with these people and for which he was considering a ‘pushback’.
Now it’s our turn to say ‘SHAME ON YOU’
Can’t you see that Muscat is bluffing in order to get some distance from EU?
His contacts are elsewhere like Dubai, China, Russia. He prefers doing busines outside Europe, because he thinks that’s where the benefits are, and we know that John Dalli is a great adviser on that score.
Like Mintoff, Joseph Muscat prefers to deal with Communist and Arab countries because both M:P leaders suffer from the delusion that they could manipulate the rulers of these countries but not the European ones. History proved Mintoff wrong whilst Muscat has still got to learn that lesson, most unfortunately at our expense.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
When they came for the marmalade
I did not speak up
My mouth was full of jam
I know it’s ridiculous but so is yours quoting Pastor MARTIN .Do you honestly think that what our P.M. is doing should be compared to what the Nazis did?
All the P.M. is saying “Share the burden with us,we are unable to do it alone”
What is wrong with that?
What I would suggest is create a new Tax, call it the Immigrants tax. and charge us a monthly sum that will go for their upkeep.
After six mths carry out a survey.
And than we will know trhe real number of so called Racists.
U kien hemm ghalfejn jaghmel pandemonju minn din l-ghamla?
Mela ghax wiehed ikollu problema ghandu ghalfejn jilghab bil-hajja ta dawn in-nies?
Nispera li qbilna li dawn nies Silvio, ghax min kif titkellmu, kieku qatt issemmu l-interessi taghhom.
Li, jekk m’ghaddielekx minn mohhok, huwa obbligu ta’ kawlunkwe stat sovran. Jew lanqas dik ma nafu naghmlu?
Titkellmu qiskhom qeghdin tghaddu siegha zmien ix-xatt.
Ha npoggiha b’dal-mod, jekk Muscat mohhu biex jorqod bil-lejl, u qas gietu, jien nghidu ghandu qalbu maqtugha, li jrabbi is-sahha mal-partiti socjalisti Europej, mela ahjar jintefa’ fuq bank mieghek, tittantaw x-xemx ghaddejja.
Frattarija wahedkom.
Muscat has not only confirmed that he is an amoral person, but also shown that he is a very poor strategist and politician.
He has placed all his cards on the table at the first minor bump.
I tend to agree that he brought all this up because of the Dalli saga, but he has nothing with which to negotiate with Brussels. And the backlash has been worse than that caused by the Dalli affairs.
Just this morning I overheard a guy saying:”Dak il-muqran ta’ PM ma baghthomx lura!”
No more further comment to add.
Where is that speech what Joseph Muscat translated to Maltese from English with all those hopeful and poetic phrases?
It must be on YouTube.
Can you imagine if Muscat and his cretinous bunch of incompetent ministers were in government at the time of the Libya crisis?
The first few boats arrive this summer and all hell breaks loose, with the most right-wing rhetoric coming out of Castille.
The sort of words Norman Lowell fans cream themselves for. God forbid another crisis of that sort erupts with this lot in power.
A lot of people are blaming the black immigrants for anything bad that is happening or will happen in Malta.
To my mind our greatest problem creators are the Maltese themselves.
If Joseph and his ilk want to improve our lot, they can start by eradicating the many scroungers who rip off the social services when thy get undeserved benefits, by quite a number of others who cheat on vat and income tax returns and by many others who shirk at work or wrongly think that sick leave is an intrinsic part of their holiday entitlement.
This to the detriment of honest citizens who feel cheated. I really hope that the whistle blower act will be in vigore very soon.
People say that emigrants will change our values and our culture.
What values? To many these are not the values Pope Frances spoke so earnestly about on Monday.
As for our culture, some aspects of it need changing very very fast.
What ever do-gooder or liberal or fantasy-world policy you espouse is your business but when you get to the real world Malta cannot keep accepting thousands and later millions of penniless people, regardless of their race or religion that are looking for El Dorado on an overcrowded and barren island archipelago of 122 square miles.
Sorry, it cannot be done.
Once they land in Malta, they are the problem of the Maltese, as EU nations do not want to help by taking them to their larger countries.
The real solution to African problems are in Africa.
Making everyone poor, angry and frustrated and on the edge of violence on overcrowded and tiny Malta is not the permanent solution to huge Africa’s problems.
Illegal, dangerous and disgraceful – Editorial
Illegal – Entering a country with no identification and no means to sustain oneself and expect to remain in country whatsoever.
[Daphne – Not when you are seeking asylum, J.Parnis. Then that does not apply. This is the crux of the matter, and the reason why the ECHR stopped the deportation.]
Dangerous – The no-go areas we have in Malta and increase in number of crime and diseases.
[Daphne – Maltese people carry far more diseases, J. Parnis. And they pass them on because they are highly promiscuous and think it unnecessary to practise safe sex. If you don’t believe me, ask Philip Carabot of the GU Clinic. There are parts of Malta where I will not go because of the Maltese, and only last March I was seriously harassed in Rabat – by Maltese people.]
Disgraceful – There are some Maltese people who can barely make it for a good living and yet the state (we) funds the immigrants with free medication and social benefits.
[Daphne – If they can’t make a good living, then perhaps they should ask their wives to be economically productive instead of having their nails gels in between washing the floors repeatedly with pine distinfectant.]
Illegal – Boathouses, spring hunting, buildings in ODZs, and money laundering.
Dangerous – Firework factories, triple parking, countryside rambling.
Disgraceful – An EU Commissioner conducting business with a known fraudster, talk show hosts who are barely articulate, total incompetents in executive positions, market stalls next to a parliament building, Yana Mintoff preaching about poverty….
I just saw this video which is currently circulating on Facebook.
here s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdf0UwnPgbI.
I think it’s terribly worrying. I can’t believe we arrived to such a disgraceful level of ignorance in this country of ours. The last time something similar occurred in UK, a white British woman was taken to court and accused of racism.
I really hope that some sort of action is taken against the Maltese woman in the video.
This is pure racism and nothing and no one can justify such behaviour.
@J.Parnis
I never hear plonkers like you complaining about Poles, Spaniards, Romanians, Turks, Albainians, Bulgarians, who are flooding our small island and taking our jobs.
Need I carry on? Oh! and by the way what about the Russians? I don’t think that you complain about these, at least not about the women.
Do us a favour and take your racist remarks elsewhere.
You’re being racist too. You seem to think that Russians only exist for sex and gawping at.