[Daphne – An educated person should be able to speak fluent English or fluent French, wherever he is from, but most particularly when he is prime minister of an EU member state.]
Though I am not a fan of Renzi as I think that he is very similar to our JoJo, I have to break a lance for him. His English is for sure not that good, but his French is quite impeccable:
The worst spoken English I’ve ever heard. Can this guy actually speak his own native language?
He seems to have a problem with logic. Serious European leaders rarely speak a foreign language publicly even if they speak it impeccably.
[Daphne – Of course they do. It’s considered good manners. It is extremely unsophisticated to insist on speaking your own language in a context where others do not speak it too, and when you are perfectly able to speak a language which they do understand. Polyglots are much admired too.]
Speaking more than one language is always a great advantage for politicians. People always appreciate it when others speak their language fluently so when a politician speaks different languages, it endears him to a larger number of people.
It also makes bilateral relations between countries easier because it makes a personal relationship between leaders much easier. Kevin Rudd always spoke Mandarin when the Chinese visited Australia for instance. John Kerry spoke in French when commenting about the Charlie Hebdo case.
It is only the British who unfortunately have put learning foreign languages on the back burner in recent years because they assume that the rest of the world is learning English instead. The rest of the world admires polyglots.
All that said, it is clear that Matteo Renzi should stick to Italian (and whatever other language he might know well) and provide translators until he learns how to speak English fluently. That speech is simply an embarrassment and, after watching it twice, I still can’t figure out what he’s on about. It sounds like absolute gibberish.
The British always have struggled with languages. This is because those in state schools do not see a language teacher until they are 11 years old. It is a class thing, the elite do not want the working class getting too clever as they may threaten the status quo.
[Daphne – What rubbish re the working class. The British never bothered with languages because they never needed to. Their empire covered much of the world and almost everybody spoke theirs as a result. People learn languages only when it is a necessity. Languages are not a necessity for British people, but their language is a necessity for the rest of us.]
Your first sentence makes sense, join the dots. Your second doesn’t.
Unfortunately, there is no universal system which introduces pupils to a foreign language in primary school but, up till 2002, a foreign language was compulsory in secondary schools. The Labour Party did away with that. That’s when language learning took a really big hit in Britain.
It is only under the current government that small steps are being taken to re-introduce foreign languages into the curriculum. The English Baccalaureate, a school performance indicator, now has to include a language other than English as one of its five core subjects.
Languages offer benefits beyond communication. People who can speak two or more languages fluently tend to be brighter and do better at school than monoglots.
Labour might be re-elected this year so who knows what will happen to the coalition’s plans.
”It is a class thing, the elite do not want the working class getting too clever as they may threaten the status quo.”
I did not realize that only the elite read for their bachelor’s, master’s and doctorates in the UK. Are you sure you did not mistake the Downton Abbey Series for a current documentary?
There were European leaders who refused to speak English publicly, I think Jacques Chirac was one of them, can’t remember others.
[Daphne – The French antipathy to English has historical roots. Also, French is the other international language (it is the language of diplomacy). Italian is a minority language spoken only in Italy. Educated people working at that level should speak either fluent French or fluent English.]
And in my experience, many French citizens can speak English relatively well, they just feel anxious about using it, since like French, English is very specific. One verb means just one thing with all the implicated baggage that that context provides and so on.
It is often a case of who permits himself to make the first mistake: if this can diplomatically be a mistake made in French by the anglophone, then communication opens up quite easily.
Marlowe, your sweeping statement is far from the truth. There are many Italians who know how to speak English perhaps even better than some prominent Maltese persons who believe they do.
[Daphne – The number of Italians who speak English is disproportionately small. It is the result of Italy’s insularity and has in turn compounded it.]
Martin Scicluna must feel relieved. I expect him to write another piece for Times of Malta, stating how Joseph Muscat’s speech to the London School of Economics was a masterpiece of English pronunciation, and to tell us once again that he does not read Daphne Caruana Galizia’s blog.
Ciccio , the first video is a collage of clips from the one you posted , where Renzi hesitated or got stuck for the English word , rendering it totally unintelligible , and ridiculous subtitles . That makes it a spoof .
And here’s Don Tusk, the man who took over Haiku Herman’s job as President of the European Council. It’s Polish English, which explains why he was unable to answer the question: http://youtu.be/XF8n5vvpOUk
Is he from Zimbabwe?
Doris Lessing was from Zimbabwe, so please, do choose your sarcasm carefully.
Whatever it is, it’s worse in Italy lol.
Dear oh dear you picked on a parody .
Ok , far from perfect English .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oqJY4MLK2r4
[Daphne – An educated person should be able to speak fluent English or fluent French, wherever he is from, but most particularly when he is prime minister of an EU member state.]
Daphne, technically you are right, but that is not the case in most EU countries.
To be fair, we’re lucky that British politicians don’t have to speak any language other than their native.
Indeed. I had heard the PM of Moldova interviewed on BBC. His English is nearly impeccable, betrayed by a slight Eastern European accent.
Though I am not a fan of Renzi as I think that he is very similar to our JoJo, I have to break a lance for him. His English is for sure not that good, but his French is quite impeccable:
http://www.europe1.fr/mediacenter/emissions/l-interview/videos/matteo-renzi-italie-et-la-france-doivent-engager-des-reformes-structurelles-matin-2223203
And perhaps you wish to listen to this interview .
Jihadis , disaffected youth ? Hardly .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArsK5qGIYBE
“My mother cried when the shish shish”, or whatever, happened.
I think she is crying even harder now, after hearing him shishing.
What on earth was he shishing about? Can someone please tell me?
He meant “she.”
The worst spoken English I’ve ever heard. Can this guy actually speak his own native language?
He seems to have a problem with logic. Serious European leaders rarely speak a foreign language publicly even if they speak it impeccably.
[Daphne – Of course they do. It’s considered good manners. It is extremely unsophisticated to insist on speaking your own language in a context where others do not speak it too, and when you are perfectly able to speak a language which they do understand. Polyglots are much admired too.]
Speaking more than one language is always a great advantage for politicians. People always appreciate it when others speak their language fluently so when a politician speaks different languages, it endears him to a larger number of people.
It also makes bilateral relations between countries easier because it makes a personal relationship between leaders much easier. Kevin Rudd always spoke Mandarin when the Chinese visited Australia for instance. John Kerry spoke in French when commenting about the Charlie Hebdo case.
It is only the British who unfortunately have put learning foreign languages on the back burner in recent years because they assume that the rest of the world is learning English instead. The rest of the world admires polyglots.
All that said, it is clear that Matteo Renzi should stick to Italian (and whatever other language he might know well) and provide translators until he learns how to speak English fluently. That speech is simply an embarrassment and, after watching it twice, I still can’t figure out what he’s on about. It sounds like absolute gibberish.
The British always have struggled with languages. This is because those in state schools do not see a language teacher until they are 11 years old. It is a class thing, the elite do not want the working class getting too clever as they may threaten the status quo.
[Daphne – What rubbish re the working class. The British never bothered with languages because they never needed to. Their empire covered much of the world and almost everybody spoke theirs as a result. People learn languages only when it is a necessity. Languages are not a necessity for British people, but their language is a necessity for the rest of us.]
Your first sentence makes sense, join the dots. Your second doesn’t.
Unfortunately, there is no universal system which introduces pupils to a foreign language in primary school but, up till 2002, a foreign language was compulsory in secondary schools. The Labour Party did away with that. That’s when language learning took a really big hit in Britain.
It is only under the current government that small steps are being taken to re-introduce foreign languages into the curriculum. The English Baccalaureate, a school performance indicator, now has to include a language other than English as one of its five core subjects.
Languages offer benefits beyond communication. People who can speak two or more languages fluently tend to be brighter and do better at school than monoglots.
Labour might be re-elected this year so who knows what will happen to the coalition’s plans.
”It is a class thing, the elite do not want the working class getting too clever as they may threaten the status quo.”
I did not realize that only the elite read for their bachelor’s, master’s and doctorates in the UK. Are you sure you did not mistake the Downton Abbey Series for a current documentary?
There were European leaders who refused to speak English publicly, I think Jacques Chirac was one of them, can’t remember others.
[Daphne – The French antipathy to English has historical roots. Also, French is the other international language (it is the language of diplomacy). Italian is a minority language spoken only in Italy. Educated people working at that level should speak either fluent French or fluent English.]
And in my experience, many French citizens can speak English relatively well, they just feel anxious about using it, since like French, English is very specific. One verb means just one thing with all the implicated baggage that that context provides and so on.
@Marlowe
In mine too.
It is often a case of who permits himself to make the first mistake: if this can diplomatically be a mistake made in French by the anglophone, then communication opens up quite easily.
Now hold on, for an Italian that’s an impeccable level of English.
Marlowe, your sweeping statement is far from the truth. There are many Italians who know how to speak English perhaps even better than some prominent Maltese persons who believe they do.
[Daphne – The number of Italians who speak English is disproportionately small. It is the result of Italy’s insularity and has in turn compounded it.]
Compare with Enrico Letta’s impeccable English in an address he delivered after meeting the British Prime Minister.
This is Francesco Rutelli with his “inglese maccheronico”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp2uDyzxP6g
Socrates couldn’t have put it better.
Thank goodness for those 164 years or we would’ve ended like Lampedusa and speaking like this.
Martin Scicluna must feel relieved. I expect him to write another piece for Times of Malta, stating how Joseph Muscat’s speech to the London School of Economics was a masterpiece of English pronunciation, and to tell us once again that he does not read Daphne Caruana Galizia’s blog.
Daphne, BOTH clips are spoofs. That was my point.
[Daphne – The first one is not a spoof.]
The first video clip is an extract from Matteo Renzi’s address to Digital Venice, July 2014.
http://www.europaquotidiano.it/2014/07/08/matteo-renzi-al-digital-venice-video/
I think I can see Jose Herrera on the left of the screen at 4.18.
Ciccio , the first video is a collage of clips from the one you posted , where Renzi hesitated or got stuck for the English word , rendering it totally unintelligible , and ridiculous subtitles . That makes it a spoof .
Also, teaching second languages to a good standard was not the norm in most European countries until a decade or so ago.
@Freedom5. Not contesting your comments. Mine was just a reference to the source in full.
And here’s Don Tusk, the man who took over Haiku Herman’s job as President of the European Council. It’s Polish English, which explains why he was unable to answer the question: http://youtu.be/XF8n5vvpOUk
‘acciaio’ means ‘still’
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1550435091871077