The murder of the police officer outside Charlie Hebdo’s office

Published: January 8, 2015 at 2:24am

Post by Dar0s.



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  1. Someone says:
    January 8, 2015 at 6:00 am

    The French Islamists that are now trying to desperately distance themselves from this barbarity thought nothing of trying to gag Charlie Hebdo, when the League of Judicial Defence of Muslims (LDJM), tried (and failed) to bring a case against Charlie Hebdo to the Criminal Court.

    They wanted to apply a law against blasphemy which remained in the Alsace-Moselle statute, a vestige of German law that was in place when the region was annexed by Germany.

    [Daphne – You live in a country which has exactly that law, and it’s not a dead letter. So what are you on about. This is not a tu quoque response. This is a reminder that the way we view things depends almost entirely on where we are standing.]

    So please forgive us if when we hear the head of the French Muslim Council (CFCM) council saying “This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press”, we have a sickening feeling that these are just crocodile tears intended at self-preservation against a possible backlash against Muslims, rather than a heartfelt sentiment towards the real martyrs at Charlie Hebdo.

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    • Someone says:
      January 8, 2015 at 9:51 am

      The fact that we have blasphemy in our law doesn’t mean I agree with it!

      [Daphne – Then why aren’t you protesting about it and writing to your MP? Why don’t you make a public scene every time somebody is hauled up before the magistrates’ courts for blasphemy?]

      In fact this is a PERFECT time for one of our MPs to take it up on himself or herself to back the abrogation of this abomination in our law in this 21st century European country.

      However, please do tell me that you see a little bit of irony the CFCM’s statement.

      [Daphne – No, I don’t. And while I tend to hope that terrible situations like this will focus the mind in France as well as in Malta, the depressing thing is that all it does is reinforce hostilities and unclear thinking. The comments boards on Maltese internet sites are quite disturbing right now: “while I don’t agree with shooting people (ahem, you don’t?) I would get very upset if people were to mock and insult my religion in cartoons.” Where have these people been living all their lives? Christianity and Jesus are routinely mocked in cartoons. Aside from the fact that they don’t know this, how upsetting is it that somebody raised in Europe can’t grasp the basic tenets of freedom of expression.]

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      • Someone says:
        January 8, 2015 at 10:04 am

        What are the REAL implications of the blasphemy law in Malta? And although yes, I agree I must write to my MP, when has this last been invoked (an honest, not rhetorical question) and what were the results?

        I don’t remember any public stoning in the recent years.

        [Daphne – Death by stoning is a practice of the Syro-Palestinian region historically and it was used to punish sexual crimes mainly. For death by stoning you need stones, and there weren’t many in the Arabian desert. In Malta, the law authorities used the European practices of hanging, drawing and quartering, burning at the stake, pulling out pieces of flesh using red-hot tongs and then sticking them to other parts of the body with boiling tar, and so on. Nowadays, you just get a fine and a criminal record.]

      • Someone says:
        January 8, 2015 at 11:12 am

        Daphne, I am an avid history reader and at one point I think we moved away from those barbaric practices. What is your point?

        [Daphne – My point is that God and religion have nothing to do with what is happening now just as God and religion had nothing to do with what happened then. Religion is just the vehicle certain kinds of men use to ride to a position of dominance over society, where they are then in a perfect position to give vent to sadism, savagery and their violently perverse interest in murdering, torturing and abusing women, with or without first raping them. In parts of the world (or history) where religion is not a dominant force or a passionate interest (China, Cambodia, Europe), the same sorts of men use political movements instead.]

      • Optimist says:
        January 8, 2015 at 8:07 pm

        Wasn’t blasphemy the cause of that European girl in a bikini being hauled to court last summer? How about the kids in Carnival who were hauled to court for dancing near a church entrance.

    • silvio Farrugia says:
      January 8, 2015 at 9:48 pm

      Sorry I do not trust Moslems. I have a right no ? Also do we know all those thousands coming in if they are terrorists or not ( amongst them ) ? Have I a right not to want hideous attire, Imams preaching rubbish, prayers from Mosques and the general character of my country changed ? I am for women’s rights and freedoms have I a right not to want a religion so anti woman ? They even hate dogs, cats etc.

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      • Liberal says:
        January 9, 2015 at 2:06 pm

        Yes, Silvio Farrugia, you have every right not to trust “Moslems”, and thus exposing your prejudices.

        As to your question regarding how to know whether the “thousands” (of Muslims) coming (to Malta, I presume) are terrorists, well, we cannot really say whether you are one yourself, can we?

        After all, Anders Behring Breivik did share some of your sentiments. What’s good for the goose, and all that.

        Regarding what you like or dislike, frankly nobody cares. Everyone is entitled to his own likes and dislikes, provided that these are not imposed on other people.

      • silvio Farrugia says:
        January 12, 2015 at 12:25 am

        dear Liberal, but many things are being imposed on us in Malta whenever the majority does not want them.

        The thousands coming in I meant in Europe which Malta forms part of. Many now from Syria where many terrorist groups are. Do we know what plans they have?

        I also believe it or not do not like people taken to court for ‘insulting ‘the PM or President. Also for insulting the church .

        The people you are defending are very intolerant and yes, why not say the truth.

  2. M. says:
    January 8, 2015 at 9:05 am

    http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20150108/local/gathering-for-freedom-of-speech-in-st-julians-tonight.550986

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  3. Nighthawk says:
    January 8, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    Murderers and criminals are not exclusive to religion but religion has everything to do with this case.

    So called ‘religious moderates’ and fanatics of political correctness will have us believe that these murderers are the fringe and do not represent Islam. But polls in Muslim countries consistently find that a significant majority of the world’s Muslims (60%, 70%, 80%) support this kind of action.

    Taking the lower figure of 60%, with 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, that makes 900 million Muslims who approve of this behaviour. That is not an minority fringe.

    Therefore to call these killers extremists is wrong, they are the mainstream expression of a sick and twisted religion the world would be well rid of.

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