A fitting end to Gaddafi: his end on YouTube
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Is it a fitting end to anybody? I do wonder Daphne on what is the difference between the old and the new regimes. In my opinion, he should have been tried, and if found guilty should have suffered the consequences.
But being disposed of by a mob? I’m sorry, I had expected a new, better and just Libya, and not more of the same old.
[Daphne – Don’t make the mistake of projecting your norms of behaviour on people who have had a very different and much more difficult experience. Due process is not part of the Libyan experience. And I don’t mean since Gaddafi came to power but since forever. And quite frankly, they controlled themselves. They shot him. They didn’t kick him to death, which is what they probably would have done had he really been disposed of by a mob.Think about it, Vanni, all the worst oppressors were disposed of by mobs, or died summarily through suicide before being caught or by execution. There’s a reason for it: catharsis, and the fact that people can’t move on while their torturer is still alive.]
If you can’t tell the difference between the old and the “new regime”, then you clearly don’t know either.
Kemm ma taf xejn. Kemm int vojta u superficjali.
Mhux ahjar tkompli tharbex dwar il-poodles and their toys, milli turi f’liema abbiss ta’ injoranza jinsab mohhok?
[Daphne – My, you’ve really taken his death badly, haven’t you? Give AST a ring and commiserate. He’s in the throes too.]
Ah, Kev. Watching RT again, are we?
Kev, don’t forget to send a funeral wreath. You’re still in time.
Hey, I also watch RT.
It’s hard to believe that, given all the awful evidence of Gaddafi’s atrocities, there are still people like Kevin Ellul Bonici who jump up to his defence.
When I see comments like yours I think of how lucky us Maltese are to be so sheltered that we cannot even comprehend what the Libyans are going through.
Due process is a human right.
What you are advocating, Daphne, is a Clint-Eastwood-style way of righting wrongs.
[Daphne – Ho ho ho.]
Vanni, I can understand them – even if it may not be a fitting end to any human being.
Just put yourself in their shoes to see how they probably felt immediately upon capturing him.
Yes another one with a hair loss complex, stuck with an image of himself as a much younger man.
And his hair dye …
Fitting for TYOM website.
Some from the Golden Years do not deserve any better.
I totally agree – a fitting end to Gaddafi especially if it’s true that he was found in a drainpipe.
How fitting indeed. Didn’t he used to call the freedom fighters rats? The irony is unbelievable.
As far as the future government for a country like Libya which, as everyone knows, has been completely dominated and terrorised by Gaddafi’s regime for the last 42 years cannot be and is not qualified to adopt democracy that easily.
This is perfectly obvious to everybody, it’s not rocket science.
However my contribution to your blog is this.
Could a national government make more sense than a democratic one to start with?
Maybe because in my opinion democracy is not the ideal for any country. It’s the best we’ve come up with so far admittedly but like Mark Twain I’m a bit sceptical, ha!
Please let me know what you think. Would some form of national government be a better way to go?
[Daphne – No, because once installed, there will never be any transition to representative democracy. That’s human nature. There has to be some kind of administration until things are sorted out, but not with enough of a sense of permanence for anybody to get comfortable in his seat and turn into another demi-god or gods.]
That is not a fitting end for anyone.
Let us not forget that the bludgeoned man you show on these videos had shook hands with our prime ministers of many years ago up to a few months ago (let them ponder on how one’s glory can end so suddenly).
Once again I refer to the civilised methods the State of Israel used to bring that notorious Nazi criminal Adolf Eichmann to justice in Jerusalem. He was convicted to hang without recourse to the gory scenes you show from Sirte.
From this we can only learn that Malta stands next door to an unruly people, many of whom are now wielding machine guns. Hardly a predicament to rejoice about.
Eichmann was captured a full 15 years after the end of the war. Hardly comparable.
How can anyone judge the fighters from Misurata? They have gone through hell, have lost family and friends, and all because of this man.
I don’t condone the way he died, but I don’t judge the men who did it. I suspect if I had been in their shoes, I’d have done the same thing.
As a Christian, I feel that Gaddafi should have been treated with dignity just like those who faced the Nurenberg trials. Bad as he was, Gaddafi was still a human being.
Gaddafi renounced his right to be treated with dignity when, in spite of the odds stacked against him, he continued defying and killing the Libyan people, and refused to surrender.
Oh really? Dignity or not, they were still killed. Hanged rather than shot. But they’re all dead now.
Easy to say when it wasn’t your family being murdered!
Gaddafi was a human being. And according to him, the Libyans were rats and cockroaches.
What goes around, comes around. Remember how, only around April or so he was calling the rebels “rats”? Ironic, isn’t it, that he was eventually found in a sewer, just like one himself.
“As a Christian, I feel that Gaddafi should have been treated with dignity“.
As a Christian, I am sobered by the thought of Gaddafi having to face the Final Reckoning by his Maker. During his lynching, I hope he had time to realise the enormity of his crimes and to repent before facing His Judgement.
I cannot help but compare the end for Gaddafi with the horror of that scene in The Passion of the Christ (wonderful film that for its realism) when Judas was relentlessly hounded by screaming little children with demoniac , twisted faces out to get him.
What a tragic way to end one`s life and an even greater one to start eternity.
The most disturbing and horrifying image is this:
http://rt.com/files/news/children-death-libya-gaddafi-357/i90d4945eadb26384d73eaae1ba31e3b6_children-death-libya-gaddafi.n.jpg
It could have been taken inside any winebar in Malta.
I understand your mouth-watering instincts. You can’t be blamed for wishing you were there.
[Daphne – Wrong use of the description ‘mouth-watering’. A cake is mouth-watering. Instincts are not.]
As you can see these are very civilised people ready to take Libya into 21st century democracy – and they’re already there. The future of Libya under the de facto Al-Qaeda command is sealed. It’s indeed a mystery why the majority still wants Gaddafi back.
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The majority of what, Kev? And how did you measure it?
And while we’re on the subject, please explain how a majority vote for Mintoff made any sort of sense.
La Redoute, anyone who’s been following the real news knows that the vast majority is still behind Gaddafi.
[Daphne – Take your medication, Kevin. Quick, or I’ll ring Sharon. Or is she grieving with her bast frand KMB?]
The real news…I suppose he means the news coming out of the CNI headquarters. Very reliable.
The vast majority are still behind…a dead man?
Kev, where is the video link about the majority? Any Nigel Farage videos?
Qed tara x’int brainwashed, La redoute – you haven’t got your facts right and you ridicule those who have.
Daphne says this is the end. Well, yes, the end of Gaddafi it might be, but it is not the end of tyranny in Libya.
Oh, dear.
Kev, you really do need to update that pile of junk you keep to read in the loo.
You needn’t worry about Al Qaeda, Kev. They’d have to advance up the Italian peninsula, cross the Alps and traverse the Juras and Ardennes before they reach your office in Brussels.
Kev has been isolated in Brussels for far too long. He’s thinking out of his behind.
Nothing wrong there – it’s a description of a type of instinct, the mouth-watering type.
Will you and Sharon be going to Gaddafi’s funeral with the vast majority of Libyans.
You’re reaching again, Kevvy.
Mouth watering or not, it still is justified so your comment is at best worthless. At most you’ve shown everyone that have a bad case of butt-hurt.
It would have been much better if they left him alive to face justice and in the process the world would have discovered more about his atrocities and then he’d pay for them through years in jail.
[Daphne – You just don’t get it. He DID face justice.]
But many of these people have suffered under his tyranny and not sure what I would have done if I or anyone else were his victims.
Better that he’s dead than him killing others but they lost a chance of seeing their abuser in the court of law which would have been a huge punishment for him.
I never thought I would live to see Kev the libertarian defending Gaddafi the tyrant.
Kev, he who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind.
I never defended him, ciccio – believe it or not. Briefly, my point is that whereas there are far worse dictators than Gaddafi, he was selectively targeted for reasons other than those specified, and his crimes were hugely exaggerated through vicious lies.
Then we find out that the NTC’s armed forces are led by ‘former’ Al Qaeda terrorists many of which formed part of the Libyan Islamist Fighting Group, which is on the US and UK terrorist lists (this is very telling when you know the long history of collusion between Western intelligence and ‘Al Qaeda terrorists’).
Finally, after we’re told that democracy has dawned across Libya, Gaddafi is captured and summarily executed by an barbaric mob standing for an army.
To justify this lynching you’d need to admit that it is not over in Libya. The tyranny continues and the fighting will go on.
Kev, I’ve explained this at least a gazillion times before: Wisdom dictates you only pick those fights you can win. This is why everyone is rightly bashing US strategy in Afghanistan.
Libya was a golden opportunity. A war that was winnable, at minimal cost. and with huge returns. So we fought it. And won.
Don’t lie. No one ever said that democracy has dawned over Libya. We only wanted to rid the world of a dictator who was a nuisance to Europe. If Al Qaeda is installed in his place, we’ll fight another war if we have to. So be it.
I fully justify this lynching since it resulted in the definite elimination of Gaddafi. From a PR point of view, it was brilliantly, if unwittingly, done. Many dictators around the Middle East will have a lump in their throat. That makes them all the more amenable to our persuasion/diplomatic overtures/arm-twisting. I see nothing but positive results here.
In the middle of a financial crisis which will lead to misery for my generation, and placid, cynical contentment for yours, this is one event that has put a smile upon my otherwise miserable face. Let us rejoice, goddammit, and thank the Americans and the French.
Amen to that Baxxter. BTW, I’ve seen that smile, and on a nowhere near miserable face.
Kevvy, go wash the dishes.
I’m talking about deception and ulterior motives, Baxxter, and you are one of the many millions who’ve been had. Yours is the standard justification – as if I’m not aware of it!
You need a paradigm shift. Otherwise that deep rut you’re in will become your home for good.
A few months ago a Dutch model who frequented one of Ghaddafi’s sons gave an interview. Once she asked him how much money he spent and his answer was 5 million USD. She asked if it was in a year and his answer was “no, in a month”.
Shopaholicism runs in their family. The model said he showered her continously with branded gifts and she asked him this question when he bought for her the whole range of Louis Vitton bags.