Notice how it’s no longer about Viva l-Labour, but Viva Joseph instead.
He’s brainwashed his supporters to the extent that they believe they’re not voting for a political party any longer, but voting for the great movement led by josephmuscatdotcom.
You know, if they win I really hope that a party take-over happens a la Margaret Thatcher so maybe they realise that, present it as you wish, it is the Malta Labour Party that will govern Malta, no more and no less.
Yes, so? Have we forgotten how Dr Alfred Sant was treated in the same debate 2008? Shouted down, ridiculed, heckled, abused at our Alma Mater? And when LP speakers complained about this, they were accused of “trying to shut up students’ voices”? Well, sorry fellows, things are a-changing now.
Albert, in 2008 the audience was not organised except for some Junior College students carted in by the Labour organisation Pulse. The rest went individually and of their own free will.
Yes, the Labour Party tried it back then too, but their image, campaign and leadership were so blatantly abysmal that their fabricated crowd could do little to counter the mess that was Alfred Sant.
You can hardly compare 2008’s support for Lawrence Gonzi, a support borne out of conviction, a support still carried with conviction, to the theatrical thuggery-in-a-suit which took place today.
Alfred Sant was shouted down, heckled and abused (debatable) out of genuine indignation by a group of young adults, and not by a flock of spotty pseudo-hipsters in buttoned-up t-shirts and the wayward crests which pass for hairstyles among that crowd these days who don’t know if they’re coming or going, unless they’re on a bus towards “id-dibejt” or going back to the White Arrow.
Things are not a-changing at all, Albert. Things are frighteningly the same but many simply can’t see past the ginger veneer.
Roy, I would be careful how I speak if I were you. Pulse has no ties with any political party. Matter of fact we have members from both political parties (pn/pl).
But then, dear Albert, they WERE students. The mob you are praising now were nothing but an organized call-up, brought over by buses. If you were there then you were able to see for yourself. Even so it is not understood why students should bee the Prime Minister. They have seen quite a lot of positive things coming their way during the Nationalist spell in Government. –
Like they were in the 70s when Labour criminals went to the University to attack students and wrought havoc, ably led by that hamallu of Joe Debono Grech.
Let me be clear… I wozatuni here for my undergraduate degree, so yes I had a stipend when reading for my first degree.
But I also got my arse off the couch and worked through my 4 years there, simply because I wanted to support the choices I made in life – to travel, meet people and generally broaden my horizons.
And also because I knew that the real life wouldn’t always pamper to my every whim.
I said then, as I say now, that students should be made to work for what they want. For no reason other than that’s the way real life works.
So yes guys, I agree.
However the optimist in me still wants to believe that this bunch is alien to tertiary education.
Same old story, same old story. The rest of the world goes one way, and Malta goes the other.
Stipends are the most obscene of Maltese exceptions, right after divorce (phew, we got that one out of the way). We can see what they’ve led to. I’m all for access to quality education for those who deserve it but: 1) quality education it ain’t, because our scant resources are being spent on stipends and 2) very few of our students deserve it.
When the university population tops 11,000, without an appreciable improvement in the nation’s thinking skills, it’s time to fucking wake up.
I was at the University debate, and consider myself lucky enough to have been allowed inside. At 8am (the debate started at noon) MLP supporters who are not university students (some actually from the GWU) were ready with flags outside the hall.
Some actually organized buses to bring people there and take them back.
One girl in particular said she was a university student, and asked the Prime Minister how can she ever trust him again with all his “mistakes”. He answered by reminding her she is a university student.
Just 5 minutes ago on TVHemm Owen Bonnici referred to the party as “Il-Moviment ta’ Joseph” – twice.
Il-Partit Laburista issa daqshekk, jigifieri?
Burdell shih ghamlu l-Universita. U bdew ikantaw “ghamillu karta, ghamillu karta”. Don’t think they were referring to Karmenu Vella though. Trid tkun vera iblah biex tghajjar lil xi hadd li ghadu kif gab biljun ewro ghal pajjizna.
Erm…is there something different from other videos showing students cheering Gonzi?
[Daphne – Yes, plenty. These are Red Guards and Brown Shirts material. You can tell by their voice, tone, accent and attitude. It’s so easy to tell that they come from working-class Mintoffjani households (the voices) just as it is easy to tell where that invisible young woman shouting ‘shut up’ and being drowned out is coming from.]
Well yes, there is. A whole world of difference. Students in their twenties shouldn’t be cheering the man who tried to keep them out of Europe. This goes beyond partisan politics. We’re into morality and common sense now.
The MLP couldn’t face Malta’s real students and so had to bring in their own reinforcements to gain an upper hand. What a throwback to the golden days.
Ms Pollaco, the student with red hair, hails from Dingli, from a hardcore Labour family. Thanks to Gonzi PN her father, who was a security guard with a private company, is now a chief inspector at Transport Malta, enjoying perks like a 24/7 car in which he drives this girl and her sister around, and also the cakes which his wife makes and sells, probably without being registered with the Health Department or even the VAT Department.
During the debate, a certain Ms Pollacco put a question to the Prime Minister and was reprimanded by the debate presenter for misleading the organisers as to the question she would ask.
When the Prime Minister, at the end of the debate, went up to her to shake hands, she just sat there and then, very reluctantly, shook hands. You can see it in Net TV’s report.
Basta Mata Tagħna Lkoll; Labour’s venom knows no age.
[Daphne – I wouldn’t be too hard on her. Lack of intelligence has a strong genetic component.].
Haga ghar grat meta il-Prim Ministru mar izur it-team nazzjonali Malti tal-football qabel il-loghoba ma’ l-Irlanda.
Meta Lawrence Gonzi kien qed jiehu b’idejn il-players kollha, kien hemm player li minflok ha b’idejn il-Prim Ministru ta’ pajjizu u tal-pajjiz li kien qed jirraprezenta (Malta) tah daharu u qaghad jimsah xoftejh bit-tissue taparsi ma rahx.
Dan jidher jaghmel dan il-gest oxxen fuq l-ahbarijiet ta’ TVM u l-MFA qisu ma gara xejn.
Basta bil-mug ta’ Fearless leader fuq id-desk, imbagħad spiċċa biex twerwer anke minn dibattitu fl-Universita’, tant li stieden persuni li mhumiex studenti universitarji.
Fancy being carried to victory on the shoulders of Norman Lowell, William Mangion, Arlette Baldachino, half a dozen kuntratturi bazuzli, Astrid Vella, the angry ripped hunter and Kenneth Zammit Tabona. Talk about disparity. Their only point of agreement is that they’re against PN.
Meta rajt dak il-kolp (ta’ stat) tas-sala tal-universita ftakart meta fil-Polytechnic tal-Imsida zammew lil-istudenti jisimghu lil-Perit Duminku Mintoff jghidilna fuq ir-riformi (li l-anqas biss hu ma kien jaf x’hinuma) fl-Edukazzjoni.
1) Kienu zammewna gewwa fis-sala,ghax Mintoff ma ried lil-hadd jiccaqlaq”Min hu barra barra , min hu gewwa gewwa” . Fil-bieb kien hemm il-Ministru Lorry Sant bil-marmalja li kien igorr mieghu ! Tissogra tqum? Ara jfettillek!
2) Niftakar studenti u lecturers iqumu jitkellmu BLA MIKROFONU u Mintoff ‘iwegibhom” bis-soltu tghajjir u intimidazzjonijiet (“tini ismek”).
3) “Lilkom m’hinix se mmissilkom il-kors” kien assigurana , jjien ma stajtx inkompli bl-incertezza li kien holoq. Grazzi Perit , u grazzi lil Joseph talli fakkarni f’dawk iz-zmienijiet, nibqa’ nafu lil Partit Qarrieq tal-Labour.Ghaliex QARRIEQ? “ghax kull darba li xi esponent li jilghab bid-diskors u jinterrompi minn tal-Labour jigi mistoqsi fuq il-famuza power station dejjem jghidu li:
a) Diga fehmna fid-dettal kif u kemm se tigi din il-power sation u mhux se noqghodu nirrepetu.
b)Kuntratt ghal-ghaxar snin jezisti , morru u sibuh fuq l-internet.
Meta jitla’ l-Labour(ghax se jitla’) jien se nnaqqas 25% mill-kont tieghi u jekk l-EneMalta jew l-ARMS jghiduli li hemm in-nieqes nghidilhom imorru jsibu l-bqija minn fuq l-internet fejn kien baghtni Joseph u Owen Bonnici li l-bierah fuq TVhemm qalilna ta avukat PAROLI li hu, li hu hazin li niddependu 70% mill-interconnector ghax innaqqsu mill-Indipendenza taghna.
Jekk jinqata’, nixghelu tal-Marsa.
U jekk il-gass tal-Algerija jieqf b’xi kolp tas-stat mill-estremisti Islamici Owen x’naghmlu? Inzidu l-miks.
Bilhaqq tal-labour ivvintaw l-energy mix , le m’hix getorade, din tahlita ta’ sorsi ta’ energija li l-ingredjenti taghha hadmu ghliha in-Nazzjonalisti BISS: l-interconnector, Solar water heaters , Panneli fotovoltajci, pipe tal gas naturali u il-power station ta’ Delimara.
Jien ingiblek l-ingredjenti, insib ir-ricetta tal-cake u tghidli zbib u konfettura xtrajt hafna , ma’ nuzawhomx!
The students were let down heavily by those who organized the debate. There is a positive note, however; we now have definite proof that Labour has not changed. Muscat seemed to be plessed with what was going on.
After seeing the TV footage of this circus, all I can say is that my tax euros are being very well spent on turning young, small assholes into older bigger ones.
I come from the years of numerus clausus, with courses having 12 students in a year, empty university car parks – no students, remember?
I still got my degrees, under my own steam, juggling job and family and studies and paying all the way.
Bezaw ihallu l-istudenti jidhlu kollha l-universita ghax meta raw tal-Junior College jifirhu bil-PRIM GONZI wegghatom qalbom dik il-verita. Dawn in-nies qatt ma jinbidlu.
Notice how it’s no longer about Viva l-Labour, but Viva Joseph instead.
He’s brainwashed his supporters to the extent that they believe they’re not voting for a political party any longer, but voting for the great movement led by josephmuscatdotcom.
Presumably inspired by “Gonzi, Gonzi, Gonzi!” without losing the “Viva” eh?
You know, if they win I really hope that a party take-over happens a la Margaret Thatcher so maybe they realise that, present it as you wish, it is the Malta Labour Party that will govern Malta, no more and no less.
I knows it a slim chance, but one can dream.
What a circus,clowns and all.
L-aqwa il-coaches miz-Zejtun.
Saw a few minutes of Kenneth Zammit Tabona on One. His nose had a ting of brown.
Yes, so? Have we forgotten how Dr Alfred Sant was treated in the same debate 2008? Shouted down, ridiculed, heckled, abused at our Alma Mater? And when LP speakers complained about this, they were accused of “trying to shut up students’ voices”? Well, sorry fellows, things are a-changing now.
Alfred Sant deserved it.
Lawrence Gonzi does not.
Issa tarawh sormkom taht il-Labour.
Albert, in 2008 the audience was not organised except for some Junior College students carted in by the Labour organisation Pulse. The rest went individually and of their own free will.
Yes, the Labour Party tried it back then too, but their image, campaign and leadership were so blatantly abysmal that their fabricated crowd could do little to counter the mess that was Alfred Sant.
You can hardly compare 2008’s support for Lawrence Gonzi, a support borne out of conviction, a support still carried with conviction, to the theatrical thuggery-in-a-suit which took place today.
Alfred Sant was shouted down, heckled and abused (debatable) out of genuine indignation by a group of young adults, and not by a flock of spotty pseudo-hipsters in buttoned-up t-shirts and the wayward crests which pass for hairstyles among that crowd these days who don’t know if they’re coming or going, unless they’re on a bus towards “id-dibejt” or going back to the White Arrow.
Things are not a-changing at all, Albert. Things are frighteningly the same but many simply can’t see past the ginger veneer.
Alfred Sant was not shouted down, heckled and abused. See for yourself. The debate recordings are still on Youtube.
Roy, I would be careful how I speak if I were you. Pulse has no ties with any political party. Matter of fact we have members from both political parties (pn/pl).
If Pulse is not Labour-orientated then I am a flying hippo.
But then, dear Albert, they WERE students. The mob you are praising now were nothing but an organized call-up, brought over by buses. If you were there then you were able to see for yourself. Even so it is not understood why students should bee the Prime Minister. They have seen quite a lot of positive things coming their way during the Nationalist spell in Government. –
Like they were in the 70s when Labour criminals went to the University to attack students and wrought havoc, ably led by that hamallu of Joe Debono Grech.
I wish we had footage of the EU flag being torn up.
What was all that about?
A perfect soundtrack for this electoral campaign :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTVWu6TB8L8
If these are really the university students of today, then yes, pull the plug on their stipends as of yesterday.
And charge them for their education. And let’s get the numerus clausus back.
Cos it’s good money being thrown down the drain. Oh God. Can you just imagine if these were REALLY the teachers, doctors and lawyers of tomorrow?
These ARE the teachers, doctors and lawyers of TODAY, dear WozatUni.
I WozatUni too, but I paid for it all the way, and I can tell you it kept out most of the riff raff, even in a country renowned for its chavdom.
Understand completely, Baxxter. I WozatUni also and was still paying off my student loans five years after I graduated.
No freebies, tough slog, but worth it.
Let me be clear… I wozatuni here for my undergraduate degree, so yes I had a stipend when reading for my first degree.
But I also got my arse off the couch and worked through my 4 years there, simply because I wanted to support the choices I made in life – to travel, meet people and generally broaden my horizons.
And also because I knew that the real life wouldn’t always pamper to my every whim.
I said then, as I say now, that students should be made to work for what they want. For no reason other than that’s the way real life works.
So yes guys, I agree.
However the optimist in me still wants to believe that this bunch is alien to tertiary education.
And I thought students can’t possibly survive without stipends and their lives will be ruined while they pay off their student loans. Go figure.
Same old story, same old story. The rest of the world goes one way, and Malta goes the other.
Stipends are the most obscene of Maltese exceptions, right after divorce (phew, we got that one out of the way). We can see what they’ve led to. I’m all for access to quality education for those who deserve it but: 1) quality education it ain’t, because our scant resources are being spent on stipends and 2) very few of our students deserve it.
When the university population tops 11,000, without an appreciable improvement in the nation’s thinking skills, it’s time to fucking wake up.
Evarist got one thing right – he changed the grant to a loan.
Madlien, I understand, is heading for a PhD.
Good one, John.
I was at the University debate, and consider myself lucky enough to have been allowed inside. At 8am (the debate started at noon) MLP supporters who are not university students (some actually from the GWU) were ready with flags outside the hall.
Some actually organized buses to bring people there and take them back.
One girl in particular said she was a university student, and asked the Prime Minister how can she ever trust him again with all his “mistakes”. He answered by reminding her she is a university student.
This is exactly why other countries do not supply stipends.
Joseph il-hajjex, oh Joseph il-haxxej, taghna lkoll, taghna lkoll, Joseph il-haxxej.
And they can’t hide their roots with “Viva Joseph Viva Joseph hay hay”
The silly idiots think that the morrow of 9th March will be better than 9th March itself. Pathetic.
They think they can only have it better than it is now. Deluded bunch of prats, and that’s where the investment in education is going. Down the drain.
Just 5 minutes ago on TVHemm Owen Bonnici referred to the party as “Il-Moviment ta’ Joseph” – twice.
Il-Partit Laburista issa daqshekk, jigifieri?
Burdell shih ghamlu l-Universita. U bdew ikantaw “ghamillu karta, ghamillu karta”. Don’t think they were referring to Karmenu Vella though. Trid tkun vera iblah biex tghajjar lil xi hadd li ghadu kif gab biljun ewro ghal pajjizna.
They dont give a fig since they will spend it all on their friends the big contractors.
Erm…is there something different from other videos showing students cheering Gonzi?
[Daphne – Yes, plenty. These are Red Guards and Brown Shirts material. You can tell by their voice, tone, accent and attitude. It’s so easy to tell that they come from working-class Mintoffjani households (the voices) just as it is easy to tell where that invisible young woman shouting ‘shut up’ and being drowned out is coming from.]
Well yes, there is. A whole world of difference. Students in their twenties shouldn’t be cheering the man who tried to keep them out of Europe. This goes beyond partisan politics. We’re into morality and common sense now.
‘common sense’, my friend? Let’s split that phrase, shall we?
Very common and no sense.
The ‘air’ on the rock has become eerily ominous.
The MLP couldn’t face Malta’s real students and so had to bring in their own reinforcements to gain an upper hand. What a throwback to the golden days.
Ms Pollaco, the student with red hair, hails from Dingli, from a hardcore Labour family. Thanks to Gonzi PN her father, who was a security guard with a private company, is now a chief inspector at Transport Malta, enjoying perks like a 24/7 car in which he drives this girl and her sister around, and also the cakes which his wife makes and sells, probably without being registered with the Health Department or even the VAT Department.
Ungrateful spoilt brat !
I wonder which word suits them best. Peasants maybe?
A taste of things to come come 10th March.
Back to the 70s and 80s and then Joseph tells us that those were things of the past.
During the debate, a certain Ms Pollacco put a question to the Prime Minister and was reprimanded by the debate presenter for misleading the organisers as to the question she would ask.
When the Prime Minister, at the end of the debate, went up to her to shake hands, she just sat there and then, very reluctantly, shook hands. You can see it in Net TV’s report.
Basta Mata Tagħna Lkoll; Labour’s venom knows no age.
[Daphne – I wouldn’t be too hard on her. Lack of intelligence has a strong genetic component.].
Haga ghar grat meta il-Prim Ministru mar izur it-team nazzjonali Malti tal-football qabel il-loghoba ma’ l-Irlanda.
Meta Lawrence Gonzi kien qed jiehu b’idejn il-players kollha, kien hemm player li minflok ha b’idejn il-Prim Ministru ta’ pajjizu u tal-pajjiz li kien qed jirraprezenta (Malta) tah daharu u qaghad jimsah xoftejh bit-tissue taparsi ma rahx.
Dan jidher jaghmel dan il-gest oxxen fuq l-ahbarijiet ta’ TVM u l-MFA qisu ma gara xejn.
Interressanti nkunu nafu min hu. Ahjar il-players Maltin jitghallmu jkantaw l-innu Malti. X’ differenza mill-players Irlandizi.
Good comment on Facebook:-
Basta bil-mug ta’ Fearless leader fuq id-desk, imbagħad spiċċa biex twerwer anke minn dibattitu fl-Universita’, tant li stieden persuni li mhumiex studenti universitarji.
My Alma Mater taken over by the marmalja Laburista.
Bidu Gdid. Muvument liberali u progressiv.
Deja vu.
Why oh why can’t the switchers see what we see? We’re doomed to 5 years of hell thanks their blinkers.
Fancy being carried to victory on the shoulders of Norman Lowell, William Mangion, Arlette Baldachino, half a dozen kuntratturi bazuzli, Astrid Vella, the angry ripped hunter and Kenneth Zammit Tabona. Talk about disparity. Their only point of agreement is that they’re against PN.
We may yet see Astrid Vella and Kenneth Zammit Tabona prancing around with Antonella tal-Isnobby at a Labour meeting. Somehow, I think not.
Insejt lil Kevin Drake, Cyrus , Farrugia-Borg u Gabi tal LGBT.
Let me coin a new word, Baxxter. For all thinkers: ‘Dispairity’.
Seems like old Labour is back. The hamalli are out of their stables.
Meta rajt dak il-kolp (ta’ stat) tas-sala tal-universita ftakart meta fil-Polytechnic tal-Imsida zammew lil-istudenti jisimghu lil-Perit Duminku Mintoff jghidilna fuq ir-riformi (li l-anqas biss hu ma kien jaf x’hinuma) fl-Edukazzjoni.
1) Kienu zammewna gewwa fis-sala,ghax Mintoff ma ried lil-hadd jiccaqlaq”Min hu barra barra , min hu gewwa gewwa” . Fil-bieb kien hemm il-Ministru Lorry Sant bil-marmalja li kien igorr mieghu ! Tissogra tqum? Ara jfettillek!
2) Niftakar studenti u lecturers iqumu jitkellmu BLA MIKROFONU u Mintoff ‘iwegibhom” bis-soltu tghajjir u intimidazzjonijiet (“tini ismek”).
3) “Lilkom m’hinix se mmissilkom il-kors” kien assigurana , jjien ma stajtx inkompli bl-incertezza li kien holoq. Grazzi Perit , u grazzi lil Joseph talli fakkarni f’dawk iz-zmienijiet, nibqa’ nafu lil Partit Qarrieq tal-Labour.Ghaliex QARRIEQ? “ghax kull darba li xi esponent li jilghab bid-diskors u jinterrompi minn tal-Labour jigi mistoqsi fuq il-famuza power station dejjem jghidu li:
a) Diga fehmna fid-dettal kif u kemm se tigi din il-power sation u mhux se noqghodu nirrepetu.
b)Kuntratt ghal-ghaxar snin jezisti , morru u sibuh fuq l-internet.
Meta jitla’ l-Labour(ghax se jitla’) jien se nnaqqas 25% mill-kont tieghi u jekk l-EneMalta jew l-ARMS jghiduli li hemm in-nieqes nghidilhom imorru jsibu l-bqija minn fuq l-internet fejn kien baghtni Joseph u Owen Bonnici li l-bierah fuq TVhemm qalilna ta avukat PAROLI li hu, li hu hazin li niddependu 70% mill-interconnector ghax innaqqsu mill-Indipendenza taghna.
Jekk jinqata’, nixghelu tal-Marsa.
U jekk il-gass tal-Algerija jieqf b’xi kolp tas-stat mill-estremisti Islamici Owen x’naghmlu? Inzidu l-miks.
Bilhaqq tal-labour ivvintaw l-energy mix , le m’hix getorade, din tahlita ta’ sorsi ta’ energija li l-ingredjenti taghha hadmu ghliha in-Nazzjonalisti BISS: l-interconnector, Solar water heaters , Panneli fotovoltajci, pipe tal gas naturali u il-power station ta’ Delimara.
Jien ingiblek l-ingredjenti, insib ir-ricetta tal-cake u tghidli zbib u konfettura xtrajt hafna , ma’ nuzawhomx!
Labour students shouting “tagħna lkoll” at the University.
How bloody ironic.
The students were let down heavily by those who organized the debate. There is a positive note, however; we now have definite proof that Labour has not changed. Muscat seemed to be plessed with what was going on.
After seeing the TV footage of this circus, all I can say is that my tax euros are being very well spent on turning young, small assholes into older bigger ones.
I come from the years of numerus clausus, with courses having 12 students in a year, empty university car parks – no students, remember?
I still got my degrees, under my own steam, juggling job and family and studies and paying all the way.
These brats do not know how good they have it.
Bezaw ihallu l-istudenti jidhlu kollha l-universita ghax meta raw tal-Junior College jifirhu bil-PRIM GONZI wegghatom qalbom dik il-verita. Dawn in-nies qatt ma jinbidlu.
Dawn iridu jbiddlu l-ismijiet tal partiti kollha. Bdew jirreferu ghall-partit nazzjonalista Gonzipn u issa il-labour party sar Joseph mexxej (haxxej).
Sa haddiema minn fabrika f’Hal Far kien hemm, u zgur mhux qed jaghmel masters.